I can't believe we are about to attack another Muslim country that has not attacked us.

Can you imagine if another country had lobbed cruise missiles at us here in the U.S. after we did something to our citizens?
Like maybe after Waco?

I don't know...it used to be that if you fired missiles on another country it was called WAR.
But I guess as long as the federal govt. picks countries that CAN'T fight back...it's all good and we are being morally superior, or "saving face" or something.

At least the people in Syria (whom have always hated us anyway), will be happy to know that they can die from U.S. missiles now instead of Syrian chemical weapons. :(

p.s.: It's none of our business and we shouldn't be there and we shouldn't be threatening other countries. Next time a "terrorist" attack happens here, just remember...maybe, just maybe if we quit bombing them it might help.

When the UK invaded Afghanistan the Chinese thought it was a really stupid thing to do, if we invade another Middle Eastern country they think it would be even Syria.

your country can be brought to their knees again so fast.

can you imagine the third intifada in new york city? los angeles? these people are willing to commit suicide for their cause or what they believe is right but take a lot of people with them. they are jihadists who will never surrender.

Modern living for the New America

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Democracy. When put to a vote this week, the British politicians voted against it, stating they need to see definite proof it was al-Assad's lot that used chemical weapons. It the vote had been yes, the British would be there already.

The feeling in the UK is we don't want to be deceived like we were with weapons of mass destruction and interfere in a countries' civil war. Imagine if this was not al-Assad who did it, that's how it is being looked at right now, trying to take an informed decision.

If the need to go to war with Syria is moral, right and fair, the British will be there.

Calm down.

LOL, gangs in New York and LA have more gang bangers with weapons, than most countries military's. Sad but true. An invasion on these two cities, our military wouldn't even have to respond.

In my opinion this is nothing to do with us brits being pussies but more to the fact that David cameron wants to protect his political position and prime minister. He is already hanging on by a shoe string and if he fucks the british public off anymore then he will be gone.

And then there is the reasons of going to war, there is only one winner in this and it is America and there Weapons manufacturers....

we will all die one day

If Syria attacks Turkey in any way (which is likely as Assad would want to escalate it into something much bigger) then as a member of NATO the UK would have to consider it an attack on us and we'd get dragged in by default anyway. Whilst I support Camerons political party I've come to realise that the guy is a really bad politician. He wanted to win this vote and only lost by 13, 30 of his own party voted against and a load of others didn't even bother to turn up. He rushed it through with very little forethought, just like his knee jerk antiporn bullshit, his inability to win an overall majority at the last general election. There's a pattern of glossy presentational announcements with no REAL thinking involved and Cameron trusting that he can charm his way to victory. Having said that the people of Syria can ultimately thank Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell for the UK not willing to assist.

it probably rather explains the defence spending cuts that were made about after he was elected to office, the government, the taxpayer, can't afford it. i don't know much about the politics of the united kingdom, but the man looks ghastingly cute it scares me, that man can't be real, he must be wearing a mask like those tweens from anonymous, however a well made, convincing mask.

the winner in the end will be those religious folk you mark my words, it will be the illuminati puppetmasters. :error

This is what I've heard from friends and family in the UK. So don't blame "the Brits" or their political parties--blame George W. Bush and Tony Blair for lying back in 2003. Once bitten, twice shy . . . .

not one person found my post funny? no-one? sad times :(

I think my thread was a little bit misunderstood and it is entirely my fault.

I was not saying the Brits as a nations are pussies but rather the MPs which are lead by God knows what reason , to vote various things like this Syria attack. As I remember the vote was quite close , don't know the exact numbers but it was like 10 votes difference (or less) - some half wanted to go to "war" and the other half did not want.. It was not like 80% said no and only 20% said yes. This why I meant by "pussies" , rather a sign of weakness. I have Brit friends and they really nice guys and not at all pussies.

So , my apologies to those who felt offended by the thread.

Regarding the second part, about the Arabs it seems that somehow they find a way to take their hate and insider conflicts (armed ones) to they outside world like in the EU and US. From my experience with them, these guys are violent no matter where they go. There are a lot of immigrants where I live and the Arab ones are the worst doing all sort of killing and getting into all sort of conflicts.

These guys are fighting now in Syria amongst themselves: some support Al Assad and some don't so they find a way to make a civil war out of it. As most of you can see these conflicts in the Arab world influences the petrol prices (and it usually goes up) and many other things in not such a nice way. This is why, stronger countries, with more armed forces should try and calm down the situation by some sort of armed intervention so things get back to "normal".

Of course it's not a war in the true sense of the meaning but it's like if you see to guys beating each other, don't you call the police or try to break them up? it's kinda the same thing here.

This vote of the GB MPs and the US positions shows a decline in the world's geopolitical order and if things continue like that there will be even more of such conflicts that , in a globalized world, will affect every individual no matter if's in the actual conflict zone or 100000km away...

The Syrian actual regime must be thought a lesson. Today they attack amongst each other with chemical weapons and tomorrow they decided it's time to attack US , GB or Germany because , WTF, nobody will take action...

To the OP

About 20 years ago I wanted to know more about Islam and the growing Muslim community around me. I found several mosques in the neighborhood, this was Cambridge, Massachusetts, and called up the preacher I later found out was called Imam. I asked for an appointment to learn more. I settled on a couple places and went and learned.

Avoid the radicals, every religion has them and nobody practicing except radicals likes them. Look for places with a lot of family/community events...and ask questions.

Don't argue, dont debate, just listen and ask questions. Be polite. You will learn a lot of things many on this board want to keep you from knowing. Go home, digest and come up with more questions. And go back. You don't have to become a believer. Just help yourself and your community by gaining understanding.

There are many things in your post below that are just wrong. We (colonial powers) have been murdering Arabs/Hindus/Asians/Africans since long before oil was discovered.

If you want to ask me questions, feel free to PM me. I promise not to play teacher but I will give you some starting points. if you are interested.

My mentor was an American writer and musician who at the age of 80 learned to use, from scratch, a sampler/workstation to compose music for an American school's theatrical production. His first lesson to me was, "Never stop asking 'why'."

There are over 1000 insurgency and or rebel groups in Syria. One of them has claimed responsibility for the attacks. Chemicals provided by Saudi Arabia. No shocker there.

Cameron is REALLY weak and a bad politician, he lost by 13 votes, 30 of his own party voted against, others didn't even bother to turn up. Cameron fucked up big time, this is nothing to do with the British people. It's purely coincedental that what parliament decided is in line with random polls.

But despite Cameron being weak he is still a league above Milliband WHO HAD to say no because of the Iraq debacle. So what you have is a Labour Prime Minister, Tony Blair declaring war on Arab countries and now the Syrian people want our help, another Labour Leader Ed Milliband, tells them, sorry... NO DEAL.

I think we can safely assume that the British Labour party are no fans of Islam or the Arab world.

i've watch them in combat and that's a no

He'll be done soon I think.

Who is afraid now ??

There has been only 1 case in the history of a large army using chemical weapons...

.. even natzis weren't using chemical stuff but pepper gas (and similar).

.. more than 10 thousand people died then and much more had to live with mutations it caused.

Place: South Vietnam
Year: 1981
Aggressor: USA
The day is remembered as: Yellow Rain

... not enough? remember atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.. :/

We've still got a German queen (Lowercase intended).

Good joke.

world war one, both sides used gas.

we'd probably be speaking russian

What Robbie said.
When will the American govt learn that they are not the world police, and that war is not the immediate answer to whatever you care to point out? Why is valuing human life being a "pussy". Easy for someone to sit in their armchair and label another nation when you are not the one being sent to war. You'd prefer to send hundreds, maybe thousands, of American (and Brit, Aus, and Eu) young men and women to die of friendly fire, roadside bombs and suicide from PTSD? And for what exactly? To stand up for people you seem to hate? For a crisis than may well have been manufactured?
Douche.

Not really anything to do with being pussies. More to do with not having Halliburton run our country.

Go on, start another war with no evidence that is related to oil. Why not, you've gotten away with it the other times.