lol, tazering isn't on my list either but physically restraining is a no win situation too. Especially if it's a girl. Getting the hell out of there would be my first choice.

I still would like to know what "official" policy is.

So, a woman being arrested gets belligerent with the cop and the cop has to forcibly put her on the ground. A 160 lb 12 year old boy sees his mom freaking out on the cop and starts hitting the back of the cop. The cop warns the kid that if he doesn't back off he's going to make things worse. The child continues to hit and proceeds to kick the police office in the ass getting a little too close to the gonads. The officer warns the kid again that he's going to use his taser if he keeps it up. If the child keeps it up, what is the police officer supposed to do?

Obviously this isn't what happened here based on the size of the kid alone, but an age is nothing more than an age. You tell me he tasered a 5 year old and yeah, I'm sure I'll agree with you. But a 12 year old? Not necessarily.

That's actually pretty funny :1orglaugh

That's not really it. We are seeing a portion of a story and everyone here is suddenly an expert on the situation.

First off, South St. Louis is not an area I would want to be in (ranked one of the most dangerous areas in the country.) Second, we have no clue what the kid did, or her mother did. Third, we have no clue what else was going on in the store.

Now if this copper was an asshat after all the details come out, fire him, strip him of any medals and any pensions and any medical benefits.

I don't buy the "she was only 12 years old" argument. 12-year-olds kill. Was this 12-year-old going to kill the copper? Highly unlikely, but acting like a 12-year-old can not pose a threat in a volatile situation is extremely naïve. How would the story be reading if the 12-year-old distracted the copper while the mother pulled a gun on the copper and put a bullet in his head?

thats actually a pretty sad post - if you really expect something like that to happen

Exactly. People see JUST the age and seem to lose the very common sense they so proudly proclaim THEY'RE flaunting on the argument.

It probably IS sad. Unfortunately, yours is naive if you really don't think it's a possibility.

sorry - i just park my naive ass over here in this eastern european shithole (as many on here would call it) - a place where something like that happening is so unimaginable that i really dont know anymore what to say

do they pass out brown shirts for free? how did you guys get yours exactly?

Yeah, all I see on the news these days is 12 year old girls killing cops in the USA. It's a grim old world out there.


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Anyway, everyone is entitled to their own view, I'm well and truly out of this thread.

I'm jealous that it's something you're able to consider unimaginable because of where you live.

Well that just because you are not doing things in the way they are done in America.
You need to understand the details of this case like Americans do.
It works like this : The victim is black = just make shit up to rationalize away anything rational


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We might not know the black and white details 100% that's true, but I can think of examples that inform my opinion anyway. Anyone remember the 8 year old girl who had a tantrum in class, the teacher called police and they handcuffed her because she wouldn't obey their commands?

There was a local story where a disabled man was dragged off a city bus and dragged down the street, breaking his hip, and was left in the lockup without medical attention for 14 hours.

So yeah, I believe they would have acted rashly and just tased her because she didn't immediately comply. It's simply not abnormal police behavior in 2013.. it's quite common.

Now on the flip side, I lived in a childrens home at that age and yes there were combative kids. I remember watching a 14 year old kid punch a teacher and knock him out right in the classroom. Was this similar to that? Was she throwing punches or not laying down on her stomach while every instinct in her body told her to try to protect her mother? I don't know the details.

I'm a Canadian and don't base things on race...unlike yourself obviously.

:1orglaugh

It took 62 posts but someone finally made it a race thing. I'm out of here.

I've seen countless posts about how dangerous, ridiculous, and unbelievable the United States is. Why would you be so shocked that we have dangerous 12-year-olds? And why would you expect us dangerous Americans not to understand the possibility of a 12-year-old causing damage?

I'm not saying the kid is going to do something, I'm saying the kid could do something. Furthermore, I'm not sure why we are all assuming that the first thing the copper thought to do is whip out his tazer. We have one two paragraph article and a video clip of a girl saying she was tazered. Hell in another thread just today we have Vendzilla going on about a 12-year-old girl lying during a congressional hearing about being molested just so her dad doesn't get custody!

A 12-year-old is not some innocent three-year-old baby. They are smart, they can handle themselves, and they know what to do when they need to, especially a 12-year-old from a rough neighborhood.

And then you would be wringing your hands over a big bad cop physically restraining a poor little girl. Tell me EXACTLY how you would handle yourself in the situation?

Lying 80 pound 12 year olds should be rounded up and kept in camps. Forced labour will bring them about. That way they can be taught to inform on their violent parking infraction mothers when the time is right.
Hearts and minds...Hearts and minds. You taze them in the heart, and beat them in the head to win their hearts and minds.
Am i right brother?

Now we know why you are always in China. :winkwink:

I would be happy if he gave her a slap on the ass to get her attention. Rather then use a risky device that could have killed her.

what would you have done though? Pulled your tazer on her?
All this cop has done is made sure this little girl and most likely all her friends and classmates have a hard on for authorirty figures.

Answer that question.

By page 5 we will have 30 different opinions on what should and shouldn't have been done, and we still won't even know what happened.

Props for answering.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh for saying you'd slap her on the ass.

Yeah, THAT'S not gonna get any negative publicity.

A "slap on the ass"? That's SEXUAL ASSAULT!!! Try again.

Answered above. IF he pulled the im your father type of response on the kid, i bet the kid would have listened. Enough to explain to her, that her mom needs to go and pay her parking fines and then will be let go. Not a big deal

Instead he took the easy way out and whipped out his ray gun.

Please define "slap." In what position do you form your hand? Is it a cup? A fist? A open palm?

It sounds like this fictional slapping copper likes little girls. Not good!

http://therundownlive.com/oregon-pol...m-from-mother/

First result on a quick google search...

If any adult in a uniform came up to me as a kid and assaulted me, by grabbing my wrists and dragging me someplace I would definitely protest for self protection. Perhaps the uniformed man is a security guard, perhaps he?s a pedophile, perhaps he?s a killer, perhaps he?s an icecream man. In this case he was a police officer. Just because you have a uniform on does not mean you deserve respect.

That last bolded part is part of the problem as I see it. Attitude.

Are you sure you are Canadian? Your comprehension level based on reading simple short sentences does not really reflect that.


I was speaking about the cop.

Escorpio made the point here that slapping on the ass could be construed as sexual assault. Perhaps he has a point there. I would also suggest that the cop had the option to explain to the mother that her child is going to make things worse and that he would be forced to arrest both of them. All we know so far is that he pulled his ray gun on a 12 year old girl.


BTW if my child boy or girl is acting a fool i would much rather a slap on the ass, or arm, or leg so they know they are out of line. Skipping all the way to tase them is an idiotic response.

Homework for my negro friend -

Get a dictionary.

Look up the meaning of "archetype."

Now look up "mammy."

Do i need to define a slap?

I am not here to mince words with you.

I think im done here, the brown shirts have all shown up now.


The cop should have just executed her on the spot for civil disobedience.

Happy now?

You're making assumptions.

My apologies for taking the liberty of placing you in the role of the cop doing the ass slapping. I thought that was pretty clear. Obviously not.

Of course, my follow up post with the link showing the COP slapping the child should have cleared that up for you.

Remember that you ARE a Canadian. Your ability to sue the police for anything is virtually non-existent. Americans live for this shit. The cop appears to have been in a NO win situation. People are going to scream that he reacted too harshly. If he took your advice, you can be sure Al Sharpton would be making a case on the nightly news for sexual assault...civil lawsuit to follow.

Oh the shit that could be said here... :1orglaugh

You aren't here to mince words but you are here to twist my opinion with ridiculous crap like this:

You played with me. I played with you.

If you disagree with my opinion, that's completely fine, but you don't need to over exaggerate my opinion into something that it's not. Now I fully realize that you were playing and meant no ill will, just like you should fully realize that I was playing and meant no ill will with the definition of a slap.

Take a breather, it's football season for Christ sake!

How I would have handled the situation?

Even if a 12 year old was beating me i could have handled the situation without even beating the 12 year old. If you can't figure out how yourself... I fully understand why it's ok for you to taze a 12 year old. If you can't control a 12 year old physically without a weapon or even brutal force, you should not be a cop. Force should be proportionate.

You're not ONLY dealing with the 12 year old you know. There's the mother as well. That IS two on one. A swift kick to the nuts by either and it won't take long for them to be on top of YOU.

EXACTLY how would you physically restrain her while causing no harm or pain?

You are not paying attention. By cupping her left butt cheek. She will be so revolted she will run away screaming.

A slap on the ass should do it.

I want you to think about that first yourself... like i said... if you can't figure that out yourself, that's pretty alarming! Now give me your best shot...

They're trained in how to restrain a person. Throw her down and kneel on her back. Just watch an episode of COPS and you'll probably see a few ways to control someone without tasers, batons or guns. Who said you can't cause pain? Cause pain if you need to. It's generally going to be painful when you're in a physical altercation. I think the deal here is a feeling of "trigger happy" on the old tase device.

This post pretty much sums it up.

I'm not the one second guessing the officer's actions, you are. And you are obviously unable to answer my question. You're full of shit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-attacks.html

Looks like the Brit's are blasting kids as well.

Are they trained in how to restrain MULTIPLE persons? They honestly could be, I don't know.

But if the has the MOTHER on the ground in the way you said and the child starts assaulting the cop, what should he then do?

Trigger happy fuckers.

Hey guys, this story is actually over a year old: http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/330...ctorias-Secret

We could probably stop the conjecture and actually find out what happened by now!

I'm less cool with a grown man kneeling on a childs back than I am with him giving her a jolt. What's the BFD about tasers anyway?

Let's be clear. The article says officers. So that isat least two. So two police officers ccouldn't control two small females, one of them being 12 years old.
Tase away

The officer's actions where completely out of proportion... The girl didn't even use violence... or else... indeed, like someone else mentioned in this thread, it would absolutely been noticed by authorities... So i'm not second guessing... i'm making a statement: unnecessary violence!

I am absolutely able to answer your question! But i simply refuse at this point because i think it would be good for you to think about it before getting the answer thrown into your
lap! I really really hope for American society you don't carry a weapon of anykind...

You're full of not having a clue!