C'mon... you think a 12 year old girl has the same sense as you? And that she should be tased for not having that same sense? Well actually, I know you don't :thumbsup

to add in general: touching anyone in any way, no matter how slight, can be described as 'physical interjection'. If there really was anything in it, you can be damn sure the statement would have said 'assaulted' or 'attacked' or 'struck' or 'hit' - the very fact it doesn't makes it obvious it's BS spin to justify an unjustifiable action.

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The kid says she was just "crying" and the cop says she was "physically interfering". But of COURSE we should believe the kid.

This video was ONE version of the story. Wait until it gets reviewed and store witnesses come forward. Then we'll hear the truth...and I'd wager almost anything that the kid wasn't just "crying".

Assuming the kid did "physically interceded" and who knows what that means, I honestly don't know what you are supposed to do.

If you can't ignore the kid do you shake her, push her, bear hug her ??.

Honestly what is the proper way for a grown man to restrain a child?

I hope I'm never put in a position where anything I do, any response I make is incorrect.

I guess I could turn and run from the situation, a cop can't.


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i dont know - what does the rest of the world do?

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totally and utterly brainwashed to bend over for authority. I really can see now why those who are so pro-gun in the USA, are. I didn't get it before, but a lot of it must be because they see this erosion of the line between what is acceptable and what isn't, by those who have the power of arrest & detainment, and the acceptance that by the 'well it's the rules' brigade. It's staggering to say the least.

C'mon man... everyone knows with 100% certainty what is right and wrong, tasering an upset unarmed 12 year old child is probably ok for like 0.000000001% of the world population. You wouldn't do it, no matter how annoying the child was being, and let's face it, that's what this was - a grown man who couldn't restrain his annoyance at a child.

so much for my decision last night to not get involved in this one :1orglaugh

He is going to say yes, because it's true.

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lol, tazering isn't on my list either but physically restraining is a no win situation too. Especially if it's a girl. Getting the hell out of there would be my first choice.

I still would like to know what "official" policy is.

So, a woman being arrested gets belligerent with the cop and the cop has to forcibly put her on the ground. A 160 lb 12 year old boy sees his mom freaking out on the cop and starts hitting the back of the cop. The cop warns the kid that if he doesn't back off he's going to make things worse. The child continues to hit and proceeds to kick the police office in the ass getting a little too close to the gonads. The officer warns the kid again that he's going to use his taser if he keeps it up. If the child keeps it up, what is the police officer supposed to do?

Obviously this isn't what happened here based on the size of the kid alone, but an age is nothing more than an age. You tell me he tasered a 5 year old and yeah, I'm sure I'll agree with you. But a 12 year old? Not necessarily.

That's actually pretty funny :1orglaugh

That's not really it. We are seeing a portion of a story and everyone here is suddenly an expert on the situation.

First off, South St. Louis is not an area I would want to be in (ranked one of the most dangerous areas in the country.) Second, we have no clue what the kid did, or her mother did. Third, we have no clue what else was going on in the store.

Now if this copper was an asshat after all the details come out, fire him, strip him of any medals and any pensions and any medical benefits.

I don't buy the "she was only 12 years old" argument. 12-year-olds kill. Was this 12-year-old going to kill the copper? Highly unlikely, but acting like a 12-year-old can not pose a threat in a volatile situation is extremely naïve. How would the story be reading if the 12-year-old distracted the copper while the mother pulled a gun on the copper and put a bullet in his head?

thats actually a pretty sad post - if you really expect something like that to happen

Exactly. People see JUST the age and seem to lose the very common sense they so proudly proclaim THEY'RE flaunting on the argument.

It probably IS sad. Unfortunately, yours is naive if you really don't think it's a possibility.

sorry - i just park my naive ass over here in this eastern european shithole (as many on here would call it) - a place where something like that happening is so unimaginable that i really dont know anymore what to say

do they pass out brown shirts for free? how did you guys get yours exactly?

Yeah, all I see on the news these days is 12 year old girls killing cops in the USA. It's a grim old world out there.


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Anyway, everyone is entitled to their own view, I'm well and truly out of this thread.

I'm jealous that it's something you're able to consider unimaginable because of where you live.

Well that just because you are not doing things in the way they are done in America.
You need to understand the details of this case like Americans do.
It works like this : The victim is black = just make shit up to rationalize away anything rational


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We might not know the black and white details 100% that's true, but I can think of examples that inform my opinion anyway. Anyone remember the 8 year old girl who had a tantrum in class, the teacher called police and they handcuffed her because she wouldn't obey their commands?

There was a local story where a disabled man was dragged off a city bus and dragged down the street, breaking his hip, and was left in the lockup without medical attention for 14 hours.

So yeah, I believe they would have acted rashly and just tased her because she didn't immediately comply. It's simply not abnormal police behavior in 2013.. it's quite common.

Now on the flip side, I lived in a childrens home at that age and yes there were combative kids. I remember watching a 14 year old kid punch a teacher and knock him out right in the classroom. Was this similar to that? Was she throwing punches or not laying down on her stomach while every instinct in her body told her to try to protect her mother? I don't know the details.

I'm a Canadian and don't base things on race...unlike yourself obviously.

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It took 62 posts but someone finally made it a race thing. I'm out of here.

I've seen countless posts about how dangerous, ridiculous, and unbelievable the United States is. Why would you be so shocked that we have dangerous 12-year-olds? And why would you expect us dangerous Americans not to understand the possibility of a 12-year-old causing damage?

I'm not saying the kid is going to do something, I'm saying the kid could do something. Furthermore, I'm not sure why we are all assuming that the first thing the copper thought to do is whip out his tazer. We have one two paragraph article and a video clip of a girl saying she was tazered. Hell in another thread just today we have Vendzilla going on about a 12-year-old girl lying during a congressional hearing about being molested just so her dad doesn't get custody!

A 12-year-old is not some innocent three-year-old baby. They are smart, they can handle themselves, and they know what to do when they need to, especially a 12-year-old from a rough neighborhood.

And then you would be wringing your hands over a big bad cop physically restraining a poor little girl. Tell me EXACTLY how you would handle yourself in the situation?

Lying 80 pound 12 year olds should be rounded up and kept in camps. Forced labour will bring them about. That way they can be taught to inform on their violent parking infraction mothers when the time is right.
Hearts and minds...Hearts and minds. You taze them in the heart, and beat them in the head to win their hearts and minds.
Am i right brother?

Now we know why you are always in China. :winkwink:

I would be happy if he gave her a slap on the ass to get her attention. Rather then use a risky device that could have killed her.

what would you have done though? Pulled your tazer on her?
All this cop has done is made sure this little girl and most likely all her friends and classmates have a hard on for authorirty figures.

Answer that question.

By page 5 we will have 30 different opinions on what should and shouldn't have been done, and we still won't even know what happened.

Props for answering.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh for saying you'd slap her on the ass.

Yeah, THAT'S not gonna get any negative publicity.

A "slap on the ass"? That's SEXUAL ASSAULT!!! Try again.

Answered above. IF he pulled the im your father type of response on the kid, i bet the kid would have listened. Enough to explain to her, that her mom needs to go and pay her parking fines and then will be let go. Not a big deal

Instead he took the easy way out and whipped out his ray gun.

Please define "slap." In what position do you form your hand? Is it a cup? A fist? A open palm?

It sounds like this fictional slapping copper likes little girls. Not good!

http://therundownlive.com/oregon-pol...m-from-mother/

First result on a quick google search...

If any adult in a uniform came up to me as a kid and assaulted me, by grabbing my wrists and dragging me someplace I would definitely protest for self protection. Perhaps the uniformed man is a security guard, perhaps he?s a pedophile, perhaps he?s a killer, perhaps he?s an icecream man. In this case he was a police officer. Just because you have a uniform on does not mean you deserve respect.

That last bolded part is part of the problem as I see it. Attitude.

Are you sure you are Canadian? Your comprehension level based on reading simple short sentences does not really reflect that.


I was speaking about the cop.

Escorpio made the point here that slapping on the ass could be construed as sexual assault. Perhaps he has a point there. I would also suggest that the cop had the option to explain to the mother that her child is going to make things worse and that he would be forced to arrest both of them. All we know so far is that he pulled his ray gun on a 12 year old girl.


BTW if my child boy or girl is acting a fool i would much rather a slap on the ass, or arm, or leg so they know they are out of line. Skipping all the way to tase them is an idiotic response.

Homework for my negro friend -

Get a dictionary.

Look up the meaning of "archetype."

Now look up "mammy."

Do i need to define a slap?

I am not here to mince words with you.

I think im done here, the brown shirts have all shown up now.


The cop should have just executed her on the spot for civil disobedience.

Happy now?