unions suck; I'd venture to say you were never a member of one.

We Progressives agree with Libertarians on many issues. It would bee nice to see a third party gain some traction in an obviously broken 2 party system.

But Libertarians seem to never want to moderate their radical far right philosophy to attract anyone but white property owners:

Originally Posted by galleryseek

Schools: awesome. Close them. They're government indoctrination centers that aren't focused on education, but rather creating a culture of obedient workers. Obedient workers who produce as much as possible, so they can be taxed as much as possible, so that the ruling classes can profit as much as possible.

Welfare: awesome. Stop it. Rely on your family, your community, and charity until you can get your feet wet. Solving tough times by stealing from others is a poor, immoral solution.

Food stamps: See above point.

Healthcare assistance: See above point.

Libertarianism doesn't mean to be racist...it just is...it's racist to it's core because the policies would radically hurt minorities in so many ways. Just like voter ID laws that seem to be fair until you look closely at the EFFECTS these policies would have - if you see how fucked up it would be for black people, and you are STILL for the policy..then you can only consider it racism by proxy.

How about syncing election day with tax day. If you can't prove you filed your tax return you can't vote.

(I didn't say pay, I said filed)

I don't think schools should be closed, but they definitely should not be run/funded by governments.

And as for all of the government assistance, there are many economists and sociologists who would say that minorities have actually been severely held back and hurt by government programs, perhaps even deliberately. They certainly have not helped the situation since Johnson's "war on poverty" began in the 1960s.....


.......and you STILL did not address the article about the inherent racism of gun control laws...

Why is that?





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I believe Hillary will win.

But I'm voting Libertarian. Their platform is exactly the way I feel about things. Fuck the lying Dems and Repubs.

I will wait to see who shows up to run first. Most likely... I will not vote again.

When you get to the point where you are voting for the "better of two evils" there isn't much choice in voting.

Mitt was clearly a disaster - he was not the solution, he was part of the problem. His entire business experienace was to buy businesses, strip them down, and then sell them off. He might have made billions, but that doesn't qualify him to do anything.

Not that Obama was qualified either.

oh jesus christ, no. i hate that, because it makes the united states look like a merry-go-round of family power. with the exception of the kennedy's, because that family has been through so much and had to cop the political flak associated with their many untimely personal tragedies. i think only over the last five years alone another three kennedy's died.

if clinton were to denounce the money-mongers who would keep her in power. that would be great. but good luck because if she were to do that they would just bump her off the 2016 wagon and try nancy pelosi, probably. :upsidedow

You are repeating a very well used and well known racist rant here...I'm not out right saying youre a racist but this is the essence of Libertarianism...de facto racism.

I was in a union. As a matter of fact I started my career in manufacturing in this building I now own. I was a member of the aerospace & machinist union for just shy of 2 years. It was the main reason I quit the job I had here and went into business.

The company that owned this building had 2 unions to deal with..aerospace and the steelworkers. When I worked here there were 1100 employees. The unions are what eventually made the company close down operations here and move the product lines all around the world.

Rick Ross for President

I'm really dissappointed. THIS is what you come up with as an answer? Not only are you making no sense, and sounding like some kind of non-thinking robot, (spouting ridiculous and childish slogans in lieu of facts), but this lack of actual thought on your part seems to be proven by your inability to address the well researched article I posted about the racism inherent in gun control laws.


Do you have anything thoughtful to say about the article? or are you just going to yell "racist" at anyone that disagrees with you, like some Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals" zombie?



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how amusing to see americans pretend that they actually have a democracy and not a corporate government :1orglaugh

like shit will change who ever comes in office :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

iran has had more change of government in the last 100 years than the USA lol its the same 2 party system for the same 1 corporate lobby....

its like predicting who will win them fake "world wresting federation titles" :1orglaugh

will steve austin or the rock win in 2016 :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I have no doubt you were a union member . . . that wetdream idiot I quoted, probably not

You are an idiot.

I'm super busy today and havent had time to read that giant wall of text - Im not ignoring it and will address it later.

I do not just yell racist at people - you posted a well known opinion with verbiage nearly identical to White Supremacist propaganda.

The old "Welfare is actually hurting the Black Man" is just radically racist...

Even if you believed in this theory from a mathematical standpoint (which would be horseshit) you can not dispute that killing welfare and food stamps would result in hunger, homeless, and crime on a massive scale. Minorities, especially single black mothers, would suffer vastly more than whites - so how could this not be racist - a policy that FUCKS African Americans can only be called what it is.

you're a funny guy
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I should probably really should just go ahead and stop, since you are merely proving my point about the "racist" label being used so randomly... After all, the inconvenient truth is that there are more whites who have been made dependent on welfare, food stamps and government programs than minorities... (http://www.census.gov/newsroom/relea.../cb11-157.html)

So cutting government dependency, in your worldview, would FUCK many more whites than it would minorities. So what then, is the basis for your charge of "racism"? If those supremacist groups are truly pushing for the government to cut welfare in order to hurt non-whites, then they really should do more homework, they are in for a rude awakening.

Frankly though, the fact that you are convinced that someone who is a minority and on welfare, will be more victimized by the reductions in welfare then someone who is white and on welfare, implies that you think that minorites are less able to care for themselves. THAT sounds pretty damn racist to me..... just sayin'.



Anyway. I will be interested to find out your thoughts on that "wall of text" in the article I posted. (less then 2 pages in a book, is this really too much for you?).




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well then you're just saying BS my man

I shouldnt have to make this clarification because it is so obvious but ok here:

Ending welfare would radically affect minorities more than whites because their rate of unemployment is so much higher and the inner cites (mostly black and latino) are the most dependent on gov programs. Ending public schools would send the rate of unemployment among young black males way over 50 percent (it's currently close to that).

Killing welfare and food stamps would hurt a poor single WHITE mother who is dependent on assistance just as bad OF COURSE - how you drew the conclusion that I was saying otherwise is silly.

I wonder if Colin Powell and/or Condi Rice (if she gives up aiming to be the NFL Commissioner) are thinking about 2016---some voters might think there's a need for a ticket with experienced foreign policy know-how? That ticket might tempt me away from my normal Libertarian vote.

Just sayin'!

Both of their political careers are utterly destroyed by the outright lying they did to the American People (on the orders of Cheney/Bush) during the run up to the criminal enterprise known as the Iraq War.

oh shut up you will vote dem or republic for the next 200 years you, as a nation, have micro balls, and the appropriate micro penis that goes with it :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

the most afraid nation in the world, bombing shit left and right, will vote as its told to vote by the media...

and heres a good joke, as an american you will not understand, it is normal to you, but outsiders get a good giggle from your "democracy"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbyin..._United_States

yup :1orglaugh:1orglaugh fuck the voters, if you have cash you can have it your way :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

like you actually believe that multi trillion $$$ business is left in the hands of you "united states of bacon" watching tax cattle :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

yes yes the big corporations just let you burger flippers actually decide the future of THEIR country :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

now go ahead and don't let me spoil your make believe elections :1orglaugh i think "the rock" will win WWF smackdown :1orglaugh

. . . and to the Republic, for which it stands . . .
Try learning the difference.

Dude you're out of sight man! Good writing. :thumbsup

Where you from by the way?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaughyou are a funny guy!:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
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Hi Sperbonzo,

I didn't say voter ID, I said Voter Suppression which includes Voter ID, the Omnibus bill which ends things like early voting, student registration, and about a dozen other things that make it harder to vote, not to mention Gerrymandering etc.

Cute girl, but stupid. Voter suppression almost won the election for republicans last time around.[/QUOTE]

Uh no.... Low conservative voter turnout = Obama Victory in 2012.

on the contrary, YOU are the funny guy actually pretending that you have somebody to vote for this term or the next or the next or the next :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

your "elections" are a religious/gay rights/abortions/family values script job :1orglaugh it has shit to do with politics and more to do with media time and niche marketing :1orglaugh:1orglaugh give peasants a piece of paper and call it power :1orglaugh

its a 2 party dictatorship based on nothing but corporate interests...you are hostages to your own FEAR and greed :1orglaugh you literally do not have the balls to vote for anything other than what your media serves the most :1orglaugh

you have "justin beiber" politics :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh fake is the new gold standard in the USA LOL the only thing that matters is media time...shit I hope beiber does not become president one day...

Florida Voting Fraud
 

Your own governor was knocked off the rolls
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/natio...as-dead/53584/

Target people with Spanish surnames
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...s-voter-purge/


Where's the fraud? It's the idiots doing the purging.

and its the only thing that'll get them back in WHite House during the next decade. It's really the only shot they have, because they're policies and ideas are not appealing to most of the voters.

First a side note; There is hardly anything more boring than reading Democrat supporters regurgitate Democratic rhetoric and propaganda all the while believing it makes them sound intelligent. Yawn. Just because some college professor or community organizer told you that you are smarter for believing them doen't make it so. Now to the main points of this reply;

As long as people in the United States continue to be distracted by the theatrics of Republicans vs. Democrats orchestrated politics carried out by the media propaganda outlets for both parties, nothing will change in the United States.

The Hegelian Principle is alive and well in America which allows the New World Order agenda officially launched by Bush 41 and advanced by Clinton 42, Bush 43 and Obama 44 to succeed while almost an entire nation becomes a willing participant in its own enslavement.

What does Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Syria have in common? They all have become military targets of various NWO international coalitions because their country's Central Bank are (or were in the case of Iraq) state controlled versus foreign controlled via IMF and fiat currencies. The Hegelian Principle is here again used to gain support of military action. Now Obama supporters can better understand his sudden interest in Syria when other atrocities around the world went unmentioned. Yes Obama is just as big of a New World Order agenda implementer as Bush 41 and 43 were. He has even advanced the work of Clinton in the Agenda 21 implementation down to each and every county in America. Don't think so? Google your county name plus the word "sustainablity" and see what comes up first for every county name. You can thank the Executive Orders by both Clinton and Obama for the attack on your private property rights. Remember however that it was Bush 41 that started this whole war on American's private property rights.

To answer the original question, I won't be voting for either party's establishment candidate because when you take the blinders off yourself and stand back from the propaganda distractions you can clearly see that the United States government has an agenda that will continue to be implemented no matter what letter follows the President's name; D or R. No matter what candidates these two parties nominate, they will be vetted for their willingness and commitment to advance one world government.

Fellow Americans I say enjoy living the Agenda 21 lifestyle in the bogus name of sustainability - a concept originally envisioned in the 1960s within the JFK commission report titled "Report from Iron Mountain." So too enjoy having your private property rights stripped away in the name of sustainability.

The world is truly amused at the average Americans' willingness to vote away their freedoms and they continue to do so with recklessness abandon. The Republic was the greatest experiment in establishing individual freedoms. However, the biggest benefactors known as the "people" in the Constitution have squandered their individual rights in exchange for the false promises of government security. The people today would rather rely on Politicians and government bureacrats rather than themselves. Very sad. What a fertile ground for Communism America has become.

Rick Perry. He brings his own Bible.

Ron Paul/Rand Paul only.

Don't confuse them with information. It doesn't appeal to their emotions which drives their thought process. They just want to believe what they believe so they can be accepted by their peers. This way they can believe they are intelligent and informed without actually making the effort to actually be so. Most are incapable of independent thought. I commend you for trying though.

Some of those dozen other things that make it harder to vote include busing people to vote more than once in different precincts during early voting periods. Gee wonder how some key precincts that went to Obama in Ohio had over 100% turn out over registered voters? Not to mention how some precincts in Philly had not one Republican vote.

People are in denial when they say Democrats don't do these things when in fact they have routinely for decades. Thank goodness there isn't year round early voting because Hillary would have already won the 2016 election by now.

The reality is Democrats oppose any efforts to create election integrity and will fight tooth and nail to maintain their ability to bus voters around to multiple precincts during early voting. The protest over voter suppression is nothing other than a red-herring.

This whole argument will eventually be solved when the National ID becomes a reality and under the NWO plan your life will be cut-off electronically if you don't play by the rules. At that point the card will be your required voter id. I ask though what's the purpose of voting when the government has that much power over your life anyway?