Voting in the US is a fool's errand - there are no viable choices - they're all the same. Bush, Obama - to me they're both the same. Same wars, same devisness, same bullshit.

Once again you are ignorant of fact...Cuban health care in fact is really bad care for their regular citizens...conducted in facilities that would be condemned in the U.S. They do have rather good health care for foreigners which is paid for with hard cash...but these facilities are not available to the regular Cuban citizens.

As for the myth that they have a lower infant mortality rate than the USA...is because they do not keep the same stats. The biggest difference is that they as many other countries do not have the capability or facilities to care for premature births and the U.S. does...and the death rate on the first day of these births is around 30-40 percent. Cuba and many other countries do not count these as live briths but as fetuses.

You are assuredly one of the most ignorant people on this board...when it comes to knowledge of the U.S....and its people...as well as most world events you babble about.

The two major parties are not the same...but they both are the same as to their competence...or lack thereof.

OK, slept late, help me get up to speed this morning. What flavor is the koolaid today?

so, considering all you have said here, and the fact they have a lower infant mortality rate..

Which they do not have.

overturn citizens united k thanks

I like you, can we be friends ?

You sound like one of those people that think I should wear a helmet for my own good.

Your dog has more common sense than _Dickhead_

.. and you are the most ignorant people ( should be person, but schooling is flawed in the US) on this board ... when it comes to knowledge of Cuba ... and its people ... as well as most world events you bable about .

.. on the other, you probably never set foot in Cuba ... I did , as well as the US ....

Go back in the woods , and live off the government as you stated .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...mortality_rate

ill let you two think your way through this list

your country is spelled:

'U-N-I-T-E-D S-T-A-T-E-S'

Pigshit...educate yourself. I don't take orders from you as you are not and never have been in my chain of command and if you were...I would frag your ass. BTW...I have no desire to visit Cuba...I have seen my share of dirt poor 3rd World countries...and don't intend to ever visit another.

I don't need you link...I will let you think your way through this.

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convenient

we were talking about infant mortality in shit holes compared to the USA and how this reflects upon the 2 way nature of your assholes in regards to your government helping itself to them in every possible way...

yes minte, you have a bigger and better house than a cuban guy does :thumbsup

we 60-s car driving coconuts still manage to have the same infant mortality as the USA (serbian and US infant mortality is the same LOL and we are a Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit hooooooooole :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh )
imagine a hole, in this hole there is shit, this is serbia, that has the same infant mortality as you guys :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh get it now? LOL

I am from a 3rd world country just like cuba, and all facilities are available to everybody, you simply do not know and I do...I will agree with you that their buildings are not like in beverly hills but this has shit to do with healthcare, you can keep hygene in a 100 year old building...
our SHIT HOLE country has the same infant mortality as yours...I call bullshit on all points...want to bet? 10:1?
bottom line: you can not view upon your anus with child like innocence after getting treated by US healthcare :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
come on man just admit it: you are getting screwed :1orglaugh

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The affordable care act is law. It's been debated to death, we've been through the "death panels" bullcrap, had elections, had the supreme court weigh in, and right now it is the law. That's the process. The big experiment called democracy.

The joy that some house republicans are having over succeeding in shutting down the government should make people cringe. Go back to 2010 and you'll find clips of them running for office on the promise of a shutdown. It's funny that at the 11th hour they tried very poorly to claim it was Harry Reid or Obama who wanted the shutdown. Try telling parents of children who's head start programs have closed that the shutdown was worth it and I think they'll raise a one fingered salute. GOP pundits go on TV and write how it won't be a big deal while a million people or so aren't being paid and having to look for work, not to mention citizens who may make their one and only trip of a lifetime to a national park, or others who no longer get some form of government help that is temporarily closed. Smooth move come election time. Smooth move. All because of some whiney babies who don't want Americans to get health care on the PROMISE that it will cost them more money. Let the thing play out! That's the process. If it sucks ass, guess who will lead the charge to overturn it? America. Dumb fucking politicians.

Once again your ignorance is showing through. I am not getting screwed. I have had 100% free health care since 1980. BTW...if I would have had to pay the bill would probably be approaching around a million dollars.

lucky for you that you are one of the few in your country who do not have to pay to go and see a doctor and get treatment...

million$ eh? man the total for my 40 years of living is 3000$ for one single surgery that was for something behind my eye and I could not wait the 1 month to get it done free...all the rest was free...maybe I walked in to a pharmacy a few times to pick up some flu medication or aspirin but its like 2$ down here you cant really count that?

the #1 reason for personal bankruptcy in your country is medical bankruptcy...you will not find one single person in my entire 3rd world country that went bankrupt from medical bills :1orglaugh ...how do you guys not get it? you are being screwed...

I've been to Cleveland, Detroit, does not get much worse than that. Havana is a beautiful city. There are many 3rd world cities in the USA if you want to use that argument.

I've been to Cleveland, Detroit, does not get much worse than that. Havana is a beautiful city. There are many 3rd world cities in the USA if you want to use that argument.

So question is "if" something were to happen to you and it was more than your cash flow could handle who exactly would pay your bills?

I am 40 years old. I have never been in a hospital, been sick, had a broken bone or stitches, nothing. However lets say I have a heart attack tomorrow that could rack up around 400k of bills I don't have the money to pay.

I guess I could just not pay it and lose my home which is only worth about 100k and let the Dr's and hospitals eat the rest of my bills. That would be fair I mean they are all rich and the Govt will bail them out anyways. ....Of course there is always the option of filing bankruptcy and starting over brand new without a care in the world. It is not like not paying my bills and being accountable is unethical or anything.

While I am at it I should just go ahead and cancel my automobile insurance. Chances are I will never get in an accident because I never have before. If I do then who gives a crap being my middle class savings account could adequately pay for the hundreds of thousands of dollars of medical bills that could be racked up and if it doesn't then ohh well I will figure out how to pull hundreds of thousands of dollars out of my anus when it happens.

/end sarcasm

I can't say I am a big fan of ObamaCare. Not sure why it is named that being it is NOTHING like his original plans. Once the people that actually make our laws got ahold of it the plan was butchered apart and then carelessly sewed back together with pieces of moldy duct tape. However the majority of American's are in favor of national heathcare. It was his #1 campaign issue and he won his first and second presidency on that platform. People didn't vote for him because of his stance on gay marriages or because he could eat a hotdog in NYC and give fistbumps. People voted for him for healthcare. That is what the majority wanted and the minority who didn't want it should suck it up and follow the laws like any other law that a minority of people don't like.

Our Govt looks like retards right now and the entire world is watching it look like retards. Any Govt official who supports a decision to allow for our Govt to shut down when we are already a struggling economy needs to dropkicked in the nuttsak and have their pay and position immediately taken away.

Any one who thinks this is all the Republican's fault also needs a dropkick. Both sides have spent the past 6+ years acting like immature children and personally I don't see one single one of them who stands out as deserving their position any more. Some are better than others but all of them are ultimately tardaloos.

I do not know where you live, but automobile insurance is NOT mandatory in CA; I am relatively confident it is not mandatory anywhere.

HUH?




..... where you from?

You either did not read my post or you don't know the law. Which is it?

If you are single and not a magnet for illnesses and accidents, there is little point in having health insurance. baddog has the right idea.

Not everyone has a lawyer on retainer. They are outrageously expensive. Who needs lawyers the most? People who are magnets for getting into situations involving the police and the courts, like O.J. and George Zimmerman.

The only two accidents of my life that required medical attention were both job related at a the same 9 to 5 employer that provided 100% paid for health care. Oh, the irony.

you don't need a car, therefore the insurance isn't mandatory

in a country with minimum spending on transit

and a great deal of urban sprawl.

Ignorance is bliss.

Minimum Automobile Insurance Requirement by State

:2 cents:

Aha! Got me..but the law is that if you drive, you must be insured.

So the idea that it's ok for millions of people to be uninsured in a society where EVERYONE ends up using the hospitals...

true you have a choice to not use the roads - but you don't have the choice to not use hospitals (ever been forced into an ambulance by a cop? I have) - you will end up there sooner or later...unless you belong to a crazed Christian Sect or something.

Now cue Baddogs reaction "I won't use any Hospitals! Fuck em I'm tough I'll just die" "Gov can't force me to go to a Doctor" and thats your right...but you would be in the 0.000something percent who doesnt end up needing some expensive medical care someday.

I guess you would know

What Are the Types of Financial Responsibility?

Motor vehicle liability insurance policy.
Cash deposit of $35,000 with DMV.
DMV-issued self-insurance certificate.
Surety bond for $35,000 from a company licensed to do business in California.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures...cts/ffvr18.htm


There is no law that says one must drive so there is no mandatory auto insurance anywhere. You can put up a $35k deposit and not have to have insurance either.

Where do you get your stats to support the "0.000something percent who doesnt end up needing some expensive medical care someday" claim? Or, are you making that up too?

How many times have you been to the hospital?

That's the best you got? It is the difference between mandatory and voluntary and in CA you DO NOT need to pay for auto insurance if you put up a $35k bond. Just admit you are wrong.

This is obviously a joke or your just a fucking retard. You make this ignorant remark....

....which most people know is complete bullshit in most states in the union as already pointed out.

You then try and back peddle out of your asinine remark saying more a less, 'oh I mean, you do not have to drive so you do not need auto insurance', which most people knew that was not the context of the previous remarks otherwise you would have said as much at the time you made the point. It was only when you were called out on the carpet you tried to back peddle out it.

I do not care if you're right or wrong, as it doesn't pay me either way. I do not like you or dislike you, as you're little more than an arrogant opinionated old man who's a nobody in this business. However, I do enjoy watching you try and weasel your way out of your own ignorant know-it-all remarks on these various subjects you choose to fight with complete strangers on a daily basis.

:2 cents:

Yea made it up. Whole Cloth.

Find some stats to prove me wrong or I'll continue to believe the statement to be true.

You one of those tough guys says if he gets cancer he'll just die and not take the Chemo?

Let me tell you something in the 70's-80's that may have held water but not today - thats just bluster if you say that these days..saying you wounldnt do chemo is a bluff and everyone who knows anything about cancer knows it.

There are many forms of cancer that used to almost always be fatal that have VERY HIGH success rates for total cure with Chemotherapy. My grandma got an additional 12 good years after her Lymphoma. You catch that shit early enough these days and Chemo will work most of the time and you can extend your life by decades.

Hope this never happens to anyone reading this but if you ever find yourself sitting in a doctors office and he is recommending you do Chemo or die... you're going to go home and research the FUCK outta your disease and the Chemotherapy success rate for your particular strain... and guess what - you're going to do the Chemo...and it aint cheap!

Libertarian leaning types will brag till the ends of earth about how they will never suck the teat of the Fed...oh..until they get cancer and are un/under insured.



And yes I've had major surgery and walked in with a stack of cash to pay for it..up front...that was a major fuckup not being insured.

Health insurance - mandatory
Auto insurance - not relevant unless you drive and even then there are legal ways to avoid it

That is what you would do. My mother said screw chemo and I supported the decision. Why would I want to add decades to my life?

Of course! Always room for someone who doesn't have blinders on.

I'd rather be in Havana than in Newark or Camden, NJ

There are 50 countries that have lower infant mortality rates than the US - this according to the CIA, which last I looked was a US organization

I immediately knew what he was talking about as I knew that in California one can post a bond in place of insurance...and I also know that he is not back peddling out of his remarks...and you are wrong...not he.

Thanks, I was wondering if he was correct that no one knew what I was saying.

Michael, where did you find this info?

I agree, if this crap is so great, why aren't all the politicians on this plan?

Any place else in the world, health care is a constitutional right and not a luxury for the few wealthy like it is for you in the US.

It's a good thing you have people who fake their own death in your corner. You should now be able to sleep at night.

The only thing more comical is watching the lengths you go trying to prove you're more right than some other stranger on a forum.

:2 cents:

As I have explained many countries...including Cuba...do not count premature births that die as having been a live birth because they do not have either the financial ability and/or the medical capability to care for them.

The U.S. spends the money and has the medical capability (plus the law probably requires it) to care for premature births...of which 30-40% do not live beyond the first day of their birth and they are counted as live births...live or die.

:1orglaugh

the link you refused to look at discusses.. something like this. Basically what the definition of a 'live birth' is, ie, 'movement'

you are claiming that cuba does this. the CIA is saying they do better than the country the CIA is from

do we believe you.. or the CIA?

you are 100% right there ..... :upsidedow

You are just another person ignorant of fact...and in regards to your second sentence...just look into the mirror...sport.

....someone who does not fake his own death on a web forum full of strangers to seek attention.

Yes, this is also very true champ. Thank you. You may go now.

:pimp

If he is such an idiot but he can read and understand "automobile insurance is NOT mandatory in CA" the numerous times I specifically said "in CA" that must make your comprehension level pretty low. :2 cents:


The pain and expense would not be worth it at my age. I have no qualms about that.

Right. Back peddling as shown above. Now give it a rest old man. We can read and quote what you said just fine. Thank you.

:pimp