Ron Paul was the fairy Godfather whom claimed he was a Libertarian non stop.. Yet voted and ran for president as a Republican. His nut job son Rand Paul ditched the Libertarian tag soon as daddy didn't get anywhere and jumped on the crazy train.. other wise known as the tea party.

You're right.. there are no more libertarians because everyone realized it was a fairytale.

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There is nothing at all wrong with fiscal responsibility.. Hence the reason I said before that if there were any "serious" Libertarians they would be better off to try to kick start the fiscal republican movement while the GOP is busy removing it's head from it's ass.

However the politicians we typically see that are self proclaimed Libertarians, are always crazy like Ron Paul and are about as extreme right in their agenda as the Tea Party is. Hence the reason they are all in the Tea Party now. :1orglaugh

Crockett, that is just fucking ignorant.

Ron Paul never claimed he was "a Libertarian non stop"
YOU just did that.

He is a Republican.

And you are showing how ignorant you are by posting. Please just walk away. Educate yourself and then come back.

I've already posted what Libertarians think. You are just posting your ignorant opinion based on absolutely nothing.

As for Ron Paul...yeah, I think he was the best candidate who did run for Pres. amongst the Republicans.
But his views on abortion and other things make him a Republican (which is exactly what he is).

All the dumb comments you are making just (as usual) show that you are totally and completely brainwashed by the Democrat party.

I used to be too. But then after watching them make promises that never come to pass...I realized that they are just bureaucrats and politicians.

One day you will smarten up too. It just takes time to gain the wisdom.

There are NO Libertarians in the Tea Party dumbass. A Libertarian is in the Libertarian Party like I am.

And Ron Paul is not a Libertarian. He is a Republican.

And now you claim that Libertarians are "extreme right"?
WTF???

Libertarians are more liberal than you or any Democrat will EVER be.

Jesus Christ man...stop embarrassing yourself with your complete ignorance of what a Libertarian is.

The Japanese invaded Alaska in June 1942.

Uhmm...Alaska became a state in 1959 bro :)

So basically Nordic socialism.

Yeah those are the good bits, which is why many countries of all political persuasions have these things without all the dumb libertarian shit like no public schooling, no social security, the right to discriminate, less safety and financial regulation with the base naive belief in the goodness of people to make the ideology even slightly workable and a misunderstanding of market forces.

A little libertarianism isn't a bad thing but it's really where you draw the line and what the outcomes of where you draw it are. Full blown libertarianism is every bit as fucking stupid as full blown communism but I can certainly see some places where less regulation would help but there are certainly others that need more. Hell you guys can't even use CFDs but some microcaps don't have to even submit financials, both stupid decisions (although the lack of financials on microcaps is worse for the market and more regulations would help, whereas less regulation allowing CFDs as an economic freedom isn't as economically beneficial).

Heh, I'm three times more libertarian and a bit to the left.
The more interesting thing would be showing all the fox watching idiots screaming about Obama being a socialist where he fits on that scale - firmly right wing, which is correct given he's basically a 70's republican.

In 1942 Alaska was, in fact, a United States Territory. It was purchased by the U.S. from Russia in March of 1867 (see Seward's Folly). Alaska also had a United States military presence in situ since the late 1860s as well as a governor appointed by the President of the United States starting in the 1880s.

Hell, you just basically described a big chunk of the world! (Japan, Germany, South Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan) :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It is kind of weird to watch people argue AGAINST freedom though.

This is definitely a strange time for our society and culture. We actually LIKE being told what to do, when to do it. Having our fellow citizens imprisoned. Giving cops more authority to do any damn thing they want. And of course being under surveillance, searched, and watched constantly for our protection.
All to help defend our "freedom"

I suppose that eventually the pendulum will swing back the other way. I just hope it's in my lifetime.

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one of the best examples in history of libertarianism is the usa. but the libertarians want to get rid of that fucked-up system in favor of a libertarian system.

yeah with like 2 planes I think..... but was Alaska a state back then?

I think Obama is a socialist and a complete piece if shit :2 cents:

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Relax Robbie. He is blinded by party politics and what he is spoon fed by the political establishment that are terrified of libertarianism. Look at what happens to the elites if people actually start to hear the message of more freedom and less government? It would destroy the source of all the power and wealth and control enjoyed by the political class of the two parties and hand it all back to the individual. They can't have that, so they put out whatever they can to obscure and delegitimize the libertarian message. The vast majority of people are SO hoodwinked by the two party system that they swallow it, hook, line and sinker.





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It was actually a pretty bloody battle and wasn't technically Alaska, but two Islands. The Japanese lost around 2000 men and the US lost around a thousand. It wasn't just a couple of planes. There were a bunch of vets that were pissed off about it when the US govt allowed Japan to build a monument for their loses on one of the islands.

Pigshit.

saw a few wrecks on a TV doc one...

So basically you're happy to ignore factual reality (not saying he isn't a piece of shit, just obviously not a socialist) *shrugs* don't know why you'd choose to be willfully ignorant but whatever.

okay communist.... that better?

As a communist I can tell you that Obama is not a Communist or a socialist...

If you think he is you are uneducated.

I think I have no real understanding of politics, and have no real interest in politics. I do know that Obama is scum though :2 cents:

Im here too :)

I understand you dont know.
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/fe...?currentPage=5
Marc Andreessen: Mosaic was built at the University of Illinois. I was an undergrad student, but I was also a staff member at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications, which is basically a federally funded research institute. When Al Gore says that he created the Internet, he means that he funded these four national supercomputing centers. Federal funding was critical. I tease my libertarian friends?they all think the Internet is the greatest thing. And I?m like, Yeah, thanks to government funding.

Libertarian doesn't mean no research

If you think Libertarian translates to anarchy, then you are anti-man and anti-life.
Hate yourself much?

That's the b.s. that the Republican and Democrat party have put out there to discredit the Libertarian movement.

Of course it's not "anarchy".

What's amazing is that the people who are saying that are really saying that they are incapable of making decisions for themselves and need the govt. to run their lives.

It's pretty puzzling to me how that can be. But I must not think the same way as most do. I'm pretty damn confident that I can wipe my own ass without the govt. supervising me from cradle to grave. I guess a lot of folks are just incompetent and need to be under constant supervision like children.

Tony, at the time, IBM and several other companies were working on it. The government funded project got there first, but to think that it would not have happened without it, is just silly, seriously.




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Government is the only thing that keeps the rich from eating the poor and the poor from eating dirt.

Yep you know better than Marc Andreessen. lol No they werent, lets not rewrite history.

You watch too many movies.

No look at history before the gov regs thats the way it was.

But how did Al Gore invent it (or claim to have been the guy who funded it)?

The Defense Dept. "inventing" it happened in the 1950's and 1960's if you read the history.
Telenet was developed in the 1970's.

Gore became a Congressman in 1977.

TCP/IP protocol was standardized in 1982 when computer geeks all decided to agree on it. heh-heh

He may have been one of hundreds of Congressman who voted on appropriation bills without even knowing what he was voting on much later after the original idea for it was "invented"...but he personally didn't have much more than that to do with it from what I am reading.

What LATER became the internet was started by the Defense Dept. to help them in their never-ending mission of "defense" (you know, invading other countries to defend our "freedom" lol) as far back as the late 1950's

Plus, it was a TINY TINY appropriation of money in comparison to all the bullshit that the govt. "funds" with taxpayer money.

As a Libertarian...I don't see why the govt. still wouldn't be involved in such beneficial things.

Reducing govt. down to a manageable size and keeping it from interfering in personal decisions, our sex lives, invading other countries, giving money away to cronies, and spying on us and keeping us under surveillance while imprisoning more of us than any other country on Earth...that wouldn't be a detriment to the govt. actually doing beneficial things for society in a controlled manner by WE the people.

Unless that too is considered "anarchy" by Republicans and Democrats (which of COURSE it would be because they would lose their power)

How do you even go to sleep at night. Your mind has to be going at least 100mph.

Are you really concerned that some evil rich person is ready to turn you into a slave?

Maybe take 1/3rd of everything you make..or even tell you when it's ok and not ok to do things? And when things get really harsh, they conscript you and send you off to places you'd prefer not to be to do things you'd prefer not to do, for years!

the theory of money for liberals: money is 'somehow created/creates itself', then rich people steal all of it

The theory of money for republicans: I'm a self serving narcissistic prick who thinks I deserve everything and the rest of society can fuck themselves.

Just to add a quick thought - I think most people spend too much time worrying about other people, and making sure other people are regulated. That's where the fear comes in (but those other people will do xyz), that every govt ever in existence anywhere has preyed on. The fear 'wins' over everything else, to the point of people relinquishing their own freedoms to make sure the 'baddies' don't get their freedoms.

Great thread btw everyone :) :thumbsup

Repub or Dem?

Neither.

What do you mean 'neither'? You're either one or the other. So what are you?

I'm a voter.

A voter?

Yes, a free thinking voter. I vote the issues, not the party. I don't tow the party line. I choose my candidate(s) based on their politics and their strength of character, not which party they're with.

So, you're a communist. Or one of them Libertarians. 'Free thinker', ha!

No, I'm neither of those either. I'm just an American citizen and a voter.

So, who did you vote for last?

Obama.

AHA! COMMIE! I KNEW IT!


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This American ideology that everyone must be pigeonholed by political affiliation is absolutely astounding to me. I've actually seen match.com profiles in the past where women are saying "Oh and if you're a (democrat/republican, I've seen both) don't bother contacting me"

Absolutely astounding.... and a little confounding.

You sit here and complain that others are just repeating the party line, then you go on to repeat the same BS lines about Al Gore inventing the internet.

It's really not that hard to find out the truth of this.. Al Gore NEVER said he invented the internet that's what Right wing retards kept repeating over and over again trying to discredit him and make people believe their bull shit.

The same bullshit they did trying to discredit him on Global Warming.

It's very easy to find the truth of what he said. Instead of repeating right wing propaganda and bullshit.

Here even Snopes has the run down..

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

I didn't repeat anything genius...I was riffing on Tony joking earlier in the thread about Al Gore inventing the internet.

You must have missed that part.

You were obviously trying to denote Al Gores role in "creating" the internet. Yes that is the word he used.

You even went on to say he may of been one of hundreds of Senators to sign something. Umm sorry to inform you but he sponsored the act that linked universities together via the shared link that later became the internet. He later cosponsored the bill that made the internet public.

Yes he had a hell of a lot to do with making the internet what it is today and he did a hell of a lot more than just being one of hundreds to sign a bill.

Al Gore may not of been perfect, but he sure as hell was very informed on technology and he did a lot for this country on the technological front.

After taking that political compass test, I have to say that a lot of the questions are just written too vaguely. I found myself wonder what they were *really* trying to ask with their question, and obviously introduced a level of error in how I was scored. For what it's worth, I ended up around where I thought I would, but I don't feel like science got me there.

man those nuts must be hurtin!!! whoa....

i should a gone with my *are there any librarians here?* spin thread yesterday, this thread won't die1

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Guess you didn't google "history of the internet" and educate yourself did ya?

Why are you even on GFY by the way? Are you even IN the adult industry? Or just a guy who likes to have orgasms over the Democrat party and argue with people about it on a message board?