:1orglaugh

ADG, do you think Paul Markham is laughing now? Or crying?

he is right there were massive layoffs fri i was waiting till tomorrow to break it...thres more too...LOTS more

and let us not forget this one


Work At Manwin On The M-100 Project?
By MikeSouth
September 23rd, 2013



If you work for Manwin on the M-100 project you might want to update your resume. The project ends in October and you are going to be laid off most likely.

Lots of movement at Manwin lately, stories coming but I figured the folks working there would want a heads up.

Still no trial date for Fabian Thylmann, who remains under house arrest.

but what the fuck do i know right

Hate him all you want by in my books Fabian is #CharlieSheenWinning

maybe your hero can get you a new Paxum card . . .

Maybe you need to stop worrying about other people success and troubles and concentrate on child support you owe :2 cents: :thumbsup

could someone explain to me how walking away with 100 millions us considered a failure? I'm guessing that his problems in Germany should not cost more than 20/25 million in settlement. I'm guessing it's settled already which is why we see a buyout now

Because its internet :2 cents:

Could someone please show me anywhere in this thread where anyone said fabian was a fail...apparently one of us cant read

He isnt a fail he is a fucking thief...good riddance to him and his ilk.

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Success? Fabian regretted leaving.

His exact words were, "It is with a sad heart that I have to announce that I have decided to sell Manwin to Manwin's top Management Team. Please believe me that this decision has been one of the hardest in our lives for both my wife and myself."

This clearly indicates that everything did not end successfully the way in which Fabian wanted (his departure is as cloudy as his arrival).

How much money Thylmann will actually end up with remains to be seen. It appears that Fabian borrowed and leveraged to acquire much of his paper empire, so he has to pay back a lot of money to a lot of people, in addition to the government of Germany.

The fact that his treasured German Playboy club (which Fabian was a major investor in) opened and then folded so quickly earlier this year, suggests that although he sat as the titular head of a vast porn conglomerate, Fabian Thylmann's personal finances were not doing so good (especially after having to post a large multimillion dollar jail bond as a result of his tax evasion arrest - and I imagine he still will have some pretty hefty future legal bills).

There are different ways to measure success or failure. Money is one, but happiness is another, and if Fabian was telling the truth in his farewell letter, then while I am sure he can look back at where he ascended to and feel good about that, and he will likely have some money in the bank (and hope that he doesn't end up back in jail for a longer stay), his long fall from being proclaimed the King of Porn to end up basically being thrown out by the people he once bailed out (and led), must sting of bitter defeat, no matter how many zeros are in his bank account. :2 cents:

The moral of the story:

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ADG

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

As a show of wealth,

and to show Mike what just what an utter peon he is..

Fabian has agreed to send me a brand new Macbook air just for shits in giggles.

He can't be all that bad can he?

I know Mike is trying to somehow make Fabian look bad in all? With the usual spin and guff.. but come on fella.. I don't think Fabian could give two shits what you or anybody else on this board thinks.. As pointed out, how many zeros on that check?

He is at home, reading this thread.. laughing his ass off. All of this work he has done in what, 5-6 years? Good, bad, or indifferent.. He has accomplished a lot.. and been well compensated for his time.

All the while, you've tried to throw stones in his game as some weird obsessed hobby of yours. He just walked out of this thing WINNING like hell, yet your somehow trying to spin it like it's a bad thing and using that same lame line "I told ya'll this was going to happen".

For the sheer ignorance alone, you might anger some folks.. including Fabian.. But certainly not for the reasons you had hoped for and previously stated. More along the lines of.. "Christ, this guy is so utterly full of shit.. it bothers me that he believes himself."

At first I listened to you.. Then I realized everything you said was self-aggrandizing garbage, that didn't accomplish anything. Suspect journalism to say the least.

In fact, as usual.. The only thing you have really accomplished in all this.. is to draw attention to yourself, and your site. I wonder if that wasn't the idea from the get go :2 cents:

Diomed...keep in mind that Manwin is a company that owns and operates sites that have been a big part of helping to completely devalue the content of every producer in this industry.

The sites have been full of stolen content that was the whole reason that they got that massive traffic and that "wealth" you are talking about.

I think that if Manwin/Mansef had grown so giant because of their actual WORK, then it would be a lot different. But JugCash wasn't that big. It was the stolen content given away for free on PornHub and monetizing that content via prepaid ad spots that launched Manwin/Mansef into a juggernaut.

It was definitely built on the backs of every company in this industry by simultaneously devaluing the content and generating revenues from ad spots from the traffic.

You know that.

So to think that Mike South just decided out of thin air to "obsess" over Manwin is bullshit.

I can assure you that there are hundreds, if not thousands of content producers who HATE that fucking company and every pirate site out there that has cost so many people a large chunk of their livelihoods.

I hope you enjoy your Mac. It was bought in part by the hard work of honest content producers who never saw a thin dime from Manwin/Mansef making money off the hard work that those content producers did.

Fuck...sometimes this place is just downright fucked up.

Everybody cheering about this great "success" story. Only...the guy who is your hero didn't do anything for this success but help cripple the industry and then buy the crippled companies for pennies on the dollar.
And keep in mind that sites like Pornhub have also helped to decimate the affiliate business model. How many folks had to walk away from adult because of that? How many people were making good money as affiliates and had plans for their children (college, etc) only to find that is all over?

You think that's admirable? I don't.

Would I like to have that same amount of money? Hell yes.
Would I do the same thing if it meant that I could take care of my family for life? Hell yes.
Would I be wrong to do that? Hell yes.

congrats diomed you sucked Fabians asshole long enough and wwell enough to get a peanut.....a just reward but yer still an ass sucker....

Not sure if serious...:Oh crap

I believe he also gave him a reach around... I am investigating that claim now. WOW, is all I have to say to that reply. Macbook and all :thumbsup

Germany is just the beginning of the troubles for Fabes and the Manwieners. Bank on it. :1orglaugh

Is that what you desperately need your money from Bagdad Ruth for?

nobody ever sends me a macbook air for shits and giggles :(

i second that

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I think most people knew it had to happen eventually. The devaluation of the product even hits the tubes. Adult Ad revenue cannot stay high forever in this climate. They had to bring in mainstream advertisers (companies selling products which aren't being made available for free) and they've largely been unsuccessful with that. I think that was Fabian's plan, merge mainstream with adult more to open up and secure revenue for those tubes.

The loan goes with it but you don't then pay 600 million and assume 300m loan. It nets out to pay 300m assume 300m for total of 600m. Personal corporate or whatever the loan is still a large monetary issue.

I was thinking the same thing? The guy wrote NATS but I doubt he had a 100 million to buy in with and he is leaving with 100 mil plus 200 mil owed and after just 4 years. Only on GFY is that being forced out, blah blah blah.

Not sure if anyone has put this together as obviously Mike South didn't - His tax problems stem from his corporation. I don't remember the details but it was something to do with how he was paying the German workers out of Cyprus and got bigger from there. They didn't arrest him and 3 other guys. They didn't arrest the CEO or CFO etc. On paper at least the buck must look like it stops with him.

Shap still looks happy about the deal :winkwink:

I wonder about those ad buys, too. I surf the tubes every day just to check on my uploads and ALL I see (with a couple minor exceptions) are ads for cams and dating. Oh - and those GIANT Manwin-owned paysite ads BLASTING at me every 3 seconds. Sometimes I can't even watch the video and must stare at the ads......ah yes, that's the point eh?

So if cams and dating stay strong I could see ad revenue remaining strong. But how long will Manwin continue to push their paysites and give them that kind of ad space? There would come a point where even Brazzers Memberships would dwindle and those ads would be replaced, no?

What about the bigger penis ads? How many of those can they really sell?

It prolly hasnt occurred to you that Tasillo and Antoon and others are in Canada.....and arent German Citizens as Fabian is. Also not sure if MDH is owned by Manwin (at the time even) I think thats Fabians Co.

I always wonder why you don't have a longer view here since you go way back. The truth is that back in the day CE and CEN etc. also benefited hugely from content that was not exactly in their rights to use and tgp, lists, etc. all were rife with misappropriated content... and people made the exact same arguments then about the death of industry, free content, blah blah blah. Back then, the go-to adage was "Content doesn't matter, traffic is king" and that belief opened the door to widespread abuse of rights.

The fact is that your involvement in AL4A or whatever meant you were part of that same content theft apparatus that you now chide Manwin over. I think only when you became a content producer - targeting a niche you knew from your experience would sell - did you start to see things from that ownership/authorship side of the fence. :2 cents:

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Now that Fabian Thylmann has been deposed as the face of Manwin, where will the company go from here?

According to Mike South, the new boss will likely be the old boss (Mansef holdovers), along with people from the recently acquired/merged RedTube:

So who is RedTube's owner?

Answer: Bright Imperial Ltd of Hong Kong (they won a major lawsuit on appeal that allows for the current tube-style business model)

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Given their track record of abusing copyrights, paying uploaders, etc., I am not optimistic about seeing any significant improvements at Manwin, and expect that they will cloak themselves even further in secrecy (since they have a lot to hide).

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ADG

Not exactly sure what you said here, but at 360m loan + interest, they buy out Fabian for 300m with loan staying with the company? I'm not buying that.

Pretty sure manwin was one of the top content producers and spent the most on production in the last 3 years

Christ you people are easy.

For the record.. Manwin DID NOT send me a fucking laptop.. lol.

I already got an e-mail from Paul Markham with a speech.. good lord. If you want to know where I stand about Manwin just read my previous posts, excluding this one.

The truth is I do think Mike South is a self-aggrandizing show pony.. Some things have been true, some not.. More of a throw a stack of shit at the wall and see what sticks type of deal. But what niggles me is this "look at me" aspect of his approach.

I have respect, for anyone trying to feed their family.. within reason. People who legally work with tubes as means of evolution, people who run legal tubes, and good people who find ways to profit off of illegal tubes.

Again, for the record.. "Paul and Robbie".. I completely understand the trickle down affect.. illegal tubes along with new cc regulations have definitely taken a bite out of my business as well. Anyone running an illegal tube and stealing from others as means of profit is a right cunt - no two shakes about it.

Yes.. this includes Fabian... who again, did not send me a laptop.

manwin is a money muther fucking machine! nice people to deal with as well

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Thanks for the tips guys!

A 'merger' with RedTube produces the 100M they needed to buy out Fabian - no way, that's fuzzy math right there.

Now you can call up AMC and tell them about this... and they will say thank you and tell you they don't allow piracy and that they will be RIGHT ON IT!

But in reality they won't do a damn thing. Because the reality is that people will watch this episode and then they will want to see the original and since it is still active they will eventually become weekly viewers once they catch up. So take it down and lose all of that potential revenue. Keep it up and you have a gold mine.

Same thing as Mr SKin.

its removed they cant see everything :2 cents:

Manwin and their assets helped many of us growing a business and making great ROI. I love their sites, staff and products. You can't ignore them in this business even if you want to, but why would you. Too many more years of business to come. Change of staff, ownership of any of that doesnt change the business.

indeed. without manwin tubes, nowhere near as many surfers would know of new/different sites to search for more full-length scenes in order not to buy. Just 30 - 50k full scene views per signup needed these days. Innovators all the way :thumbsup

Like I said previously in this thread, any real negativity about manwin/tubes has gone from me, but come on, let's not try and kid anyone, least of all ourselves, that tubes have made you [as in anyone, not you specifically Mike] more money than you otherwise would have made :upsidedow Assuming you sell paysite memberships, that is.

bummer

8 char

Actually AMC is very protective of the Walking Dead brand.

If you want I'll bet you $100 that if you take an unaltered 65 second clip from any aired Walking Dead episode and post it on Youtube with a title which includes "Walking Dead" in it, it will be taken down/fingerprinted within 72 hours. They do NOT fuck around. I wouldn't be surprised to see it nuked within 24 hours.

250 ex-Porno König's...

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From the King of Porn to a GFY lurker... :helpme :(

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ADG

Well now at least you know that the M-100 project was really a 100M project :1orglaugh

And thank god that Europe is such a big "house" to be arrested in, much more pleasant than the whole ankle bracelet deal in the US of A. :winkwink:

Thanks for the entertainment I guess.

I try and not think about how much MONEY I would've made if I was smart enough to get into this game PRE-tubes. It would make me less motivated, lazy, sarcastic, jaded and negative, just like most posters from "the Golden Age" of online porn. LOL Instead I just deal with today's realities and try and do the best I can.