You can't think about it because you weren't around then. Given the number of studios that have gone out of business because of these pricks, if you had been around - you'd probably be a stat too as a small shop setup.

First off...I ran Ampland, Al was my partner.

Secondly...we weren't stealing any content. When it first started we linked to stuff we shouldn't have because we didn't know any better. But we got set straight real fast.

Thirdly...we made millions of dollars with the people who owned content (paysites). We didn't devalue their content in any way. We worked with them and it was mutually advantageous (i.e. the golden years of the adult industry online)

Fourth (and last)...I owned and shot every bit of content for the content company we owned. One of the many companies we ran in adult: Pure Candy Images.
Started shooting for that in 1997 and opened the doors to it in 1998.
Sold it in 2002.

So there goes your theory that I was some kind of thief who only saw the light when I opened Claudia-Marie.Com (in 2007)

I was never a thief. Never devalued anyone's content. And never used anything without permission. Hell, we bought disc after disc of non-exlclusive content to make galleries.

Then around 2002, I stopped taking any submissions and went 100% hosted galleries.

Sorry pal...but your feeble attempt to make ME the bad guy doesn't fly.
But I'll remember that you did try it, so if I happen to run into you at a show I can tell you to kiss my ass in person.

or maybe English isn't his first language.

. . . . . :) lot more cash on the other side. :thumbsup

Damn you sucked Fabians ass and still didnt find a peanut huh....maybe ya just enjoy it...

Bump for thread no one seems to care at.

Why bump it? What's left to say?

who is your next target to stalk?

what if everyone would focus on growing their own business instead of worrying what Fabian is doing?

And don't give me the usual Fabian is preventing my business to grow bullshit, ranting here doesn't solve shit, adopt or die :2 cents:

I'm actually capable of multi-tasking. :1orglaugh

i'm not adopting anything...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Well, there goes my dream of calling you "Dad" :1orglaugh

All the sites that innovated are happy, paywebsites, dating sites, camsites, cpa networks, traffic brokers/systems, content submitters, affiliates and even spammers of content/comments.

Tubes are out there, you cant ignore them, you can hate them but you cant ignore them if you want to run a solid business nowadays.

You seem pretty happy with the way things are Mike Dutch. What do you do these days?
Did you "innovate" like Manwin (stolen content)? Or some other innovation?

I didn't say I am happy, please dont put any words in my mouth ;-) I just say I adjusted to what happened and changed my business so we can keep making money.

When I ran askjolene.com we opened up an Tube, always containing the movies of sponsors and linking to them. It was a hard business model and lost over the big tubes that provided full movies. We mostly push sponsors now with our CPA networks containing a solid set of affiliates.

He ran a theft forum. Assuming all of those thousands of links were up when you were running it, Mike. If not, I guess he spent time adapting to criminal business models.

Its no excuse to say "we do it because everyone else is doing it." If people had spines in this business Fabian would have remained a failure.

"If people had spines in this business Fabian would have remained a failure."

Care to explain that statement?

Sure. If content owners had truly worked together against tubes and piracy things might have been different. There is no unity in this business. Too many are afraid of having bright lights on them. Loophole should have been closed a decade ago. Legal by technicality, many tubes do not comply and skirt the law every chance they get. Ethics? There are none. It is porn after all.

Systems for automating uploading and re-posting DMCA'd content are openly touted,admired and purchased.

Fabian and his ilk depend on being able to skirt applicable laws. Nothing controversial here. It's biz as usual.

What you say makes sense...it was the "spines" that threw me off...I just do not see how "spines" plays much of a roll.

A good example of what Captain Kawaii might be saying (sorry to put words/thoughts into a head that needs no assistance in thinking) are gay tubes and how they band together to fight piracy.

Whatever, quit with the tough guy stuff, not looking to drop the gloves with you. I just am saying what you yourself admit to. You were sending to things you later realized you shouldn't be and you changed, end of story. Happy ending. But it wasn't like that necessarily for some of your peers and you know I know you know what I am talking about.

And so my point is valid. Those so-called "Golden Years" were rich due to just as much edgy and ethically questionable biz practices.

What his people did is like stealing your car radio, what fabian did is like stealing your whole car.

Both aren't right, but there is a big difference in the 2 right?

I hope you are asking me that sarcastically.

Stealing is stealing. I don't care if it is one penny.

However, neither Robbie or Fabian would say that what is or was going on would or could be called stealing. Both would say he policed the situation given the tools to do so. Both would say he operated within the lines of what was acceptable and competitively necessary in the market. Neither would be wrong.

If Manwin started a FREE web hosting company with free bandwidth, unlimited servers, no ads, all 100% FREE with bandwidth and servers stolen from you, you'd be singing a different tune.

so what's next ?

I agree totally, though hating them is a 100% waste of time/energy. That doesn't negate what I said though (which was just an observation anyway).

No what Robbie did was different :1orglaugh

Not really.

The consequences would be quite different if you stole a single penny from me vs if you stole 100k.

True, but for me, as a matter of principle, it is exactly the same. The person willing to steal a penny is just waiting for the opportunity to steal a million bucks.

Since you are a big partner with manwin, people should take what you say with a grain of salt. They could have offered you more traffic/perks for you defending them here.

Maybe their business hasn't hurt yours, but I know it has to thousands of others.

lol. You are completely clueless if you think they would do anything like that. They run on numbers, not ego.

We work hard to convert that traffic just like anyone else. There is no secret to it. No private deal made in the shadows. Not making any false statements and not seeking any favors. You can take what I say whatever way you want to but don't go making ridiculous assumptions and casting inane assertions to try and make a point.

There are also many webmasters that have profited from that traffic. The ones that have failed to profit from it typically are ones that haven't learned how to play "moneyball" and use statistical analysis rather than gut instincts to improve and succeed.

First of all that would be an unsustainable business model, as they can't generate any revenue themselves to at least control costs.

Secondly, free hosting has been well available when I started in the business. I am not after the people spending 5 bucks a month for hosting. We facilitate people that do want to spend money for reliable hosting as they recognize it as being a mission critical part of their own business.

I always wondered why straight porn didn't copy gay porn on this stuff. The lawyers and everyone are there and ready to go.

And the fact you can't see that is why you are as ignorant as Farrell.

I NEVER stole anything. I have already stated (for those of you new to the internet) what we did as a TGP.

My TGP's were among the cleanest in the world. We not only never stole a single thing...but we made damn sure there were never any redirects or blind links, etc.

Everyone who was actually making money online in those days knows our reputation.

What Manwin is doing is not even CLOSE to a TGP that links to hosted galleries. I don't even know how you people can say that me linking to hosted galleries from sponsors equates in any way, shape, or form to stolen full scenes on a tube site.

It's goddamned ridiculous. And if you had a lick of common sense you would realize how much money we made FOR the programs we promoted. And you would remember how big this industry was during that time period.

But I guess that a guy like Farrell finds himself unable to compete these days without running to Manwin for traffic generated by the stolen content of others.

So he will call ME a "thief" and try to rewrite history to justify his bullshit.

And then ignorant people like you will chime in from the peanut gallery.

Good times.

You picked up on part of it. Just read 5 posts here and then 5 posts at THE main gay porn webmaster board and the difference is marked. Different worlds.

I believe as people develop their businesses and themselves as adults they should evolve.

It is a sad state for example if you speak or write at 50 or 60 the same way you spoke or wrote at 17. Same with business - for me. Some people realized in the 90's that some things are unethical, sleazy or borderline illegal, and they stopped doing them. However, many realized the same things back then and laughed and have kept doing them through today.

Today, "whats mine is mine and whats yours is mine" seems to be an accepted/applauded/admired way to do things.

People turning a blind eye to this and participating in this has killed this business. Tube model and a weak DMCA law prompted people with nothing to offer except other people's hard work and dick pills, to flourish.

People's/Manwin's downfall comes from the fact that their arrogance led them to believe they could destroy their competition and then profit from the aftermath through content theft.

Sorry, tube traffic disagrees.

If straight adult had the leadership and ethics exhibited in gay adult this would be a much different board and business.

Would you care to share a bit more about what the gay industry has done differently? I've only ever promoted straight porn so I'm rather ignorant on the subject.

I've enjoyed reading your posts in this thread

If you put Farrell alone in a room with a computer and 16 pics he would have zero clue how to monetize them in a legitimate way. For him, that's where Fabian comes in sans the legitimate.

Speaking from experience, the gay companies that were comrades in the Acacia Defense Group were stand up companies run by savvy, professional, and resolute individuals, people that could be counted on when things there were at the bleakest and costliest. So my hunch is that it has less to do with faith in their abilities than it has to do with lack of communication and coordination between the hetero and gay sides of the business due mostly to... you guessed it... latent and blatant homophobia on the straight side of the equation.

People need to realize that asking help from gay companies to fight piracy doesn't automatically make anyone a butt pirate. :2 cents::winkwink:

Just speak with Dominic Ford at Porn Guardian or Marc Randazza, an attorney who represents gay clients, among others - they are on the front lines.

I was working for a client back in 2010 who has a broad spectrum of content. Some of it being gay video. I had to check the gay boards. The main board I discovered was an amazing place for learning, business and friendships. I have not been back in awhile. I don't really promote much gay stuff these days. Maybe I should.

As a webmaster and consultant I have only found one straight board with the same caliber of people. I won't say which board.

There will be toilets in excess in the Manwin offices now?
This thread misses Paul Markham (but this thread only!)

Thanks for the reply

I don't know what boards you're referring to. I spend very little time on forums these days, there is very little worth reading

Pretty big breeches talk coming from someone we caught cookie stuffing our program like a low down yellowbelly, cowboy.

None of the big tgps were "clean" in the beginning. You made money for people that were blatantly violating trademarks until they had to clean up. It is just the way it was. I don't hold it against you so don't get so defensive. You were big on CE for example and they had multiple lawsuits and settlements arise over copyright, including a settlement and gag order on us, got dinged by FTC big time more than once, and blew up a fair share of banks. Do I need to go any further?

It just makes me think you are more guilty because you are missing my point so widely trying to paint yourself as the hero, savior, and genius of tgp.

Many folks also refer to the "golden age" as the days of the "wild wild west" where it was pretty much anything goes. Why are you trying to re-write history? Were you really a playa then playa?

You are a fucking liar asshole.

I iframe the tour of every site on my little tube that goes with the video.
I COULD just put up an AFF iframe. But instead I choose to promote the actual site.
You don't understand what "cookie stuffing" means.

I've had it with your stupidity. Just keep doing whatever you have to that will keep yourself afloat. I guess in your case (like many others), it's financing piracy.
Go Fuck Yourself.

You COULD try to look less guilty but the more details you disclose the more it becomes obvious.

Now I am getting emails from people that wish to remain anon that are saying you way overstate your role at Ampland.

Go ahead and call me a liar but you have no proof; whereas, I have your own words on a public forum. First you had to "clean up" then you were always clean. Which was it? You promoted those programs that went over the line back in the day or you didn't? Can't be almost pregnant.

You know, usually when someone resorts to just saying F-U in an argument it means they don't have anything more intelligent to say to persuade his or her point.

By the way, I am truly sorry that you can't figure out how to convert tube traffic. I would have figured that with all your genius and experience that it would be flipping sign ups like McDonalds flips burgers. Just don't be all sore at me because we don't have the same problem.

Whatever man.

Go ahead and attack me and my integrity. And brag about how well you are converting tube traffic built on the backs of stolen content. Good for you.

Sorry to hear that you have to resort to that to stay in business. So far I haven't had to.

As for "emails" you are getting. I could care less. I know what I have done.

And I'm calling you a liar straight up. You never "caught" me cookie stuffing because I don't.

You don't know what "cookie stuffing" is. Hell, I'm surprised you can even post on a forum.

I have had you act like a fucking jackass to me on this forum over and over and over. And I have done my best to not get crazy about it out of respect.
But you don't seem to have any. So I no longer care.

Fuck you. And I'll tell you that to your face the first chance I get. :)

This thread was Robbie-ized.

Hahahaaha :1orglaugh

Not by my choice man. It seems like everytime anybody says something negative about piracy...they get crucified.

Suddenly I am the bad guy and am being attacked. Makes no sense to me.

Farrell is the asshole coming on here our of nowhere and calling me a thief and trying to disparage all the things I've ever done and proud of. I suppose he's trying to make himself feel better. Doesn't matter to me.

I said earlier how I felt about it...before he started attacking me personally and trying to justify his own bullshit.

But like y'all pointed out...it just "Robbie-ized" the thread and takes the attention off the subject matter. Which is exactly what it's supposed to do I guess.