A 'merger' with RedTube produces the 100M they needed to buy out Fabian - no way, that's fuzzy math right there.

Now you can call up AMC and tell them about this... and they will say thank you and tell you they don't allow piracy and that they will be RIGHT ON IT!

But in reality they won't do a damn thing. Because the reality is that people will watch this episode and then they will want to see the original and since it is still active they will eventually become weekly viewers once they catch up. So take it down and lose all of that potential revenue. Keep it up and you have a gold mine.

Same thing as Mr SKin.

its removed they cant see everything :2 cents:

Manwin and their assets helped many of us growing a business and making great ROI. I love their sites, staff and products. You can't ignore them in this business even if you want to, but why would you. Too many more years of business to come. Change of staff, ownership of any of that doesnt change the business.

indeed. without manwin tubes, nowhere near as many surfers would know of new/different sites to search for more full-length scenes in order not to buy. Just 30 - 50k full scene views per signup needed these days. Innovators all the way :thumbsup

Like I said previously in this thread, any real negativity about manwin/tubes has gone from me, but come on, let's not try and kid anyone, least of all ourselves, that tubes have made you [as in anyone, not you specifically Mike] more money than you otherwise would have made :upsidedow Assuming you sell paysite memberships, that is.

bummer

8 char

Actually AMC is very protective of the Walking Dead brand.

If you want I'll bet you $100 that if you take an unaltered 65 second clip from any aired Walking Dead episode and post it on Youtube with a title which includes "Walking Dead" in it, it will be taken down/fingerprinted within 72 hours. They do NOT fuck around. I wouldn't be surprised to see it nuked within 24 hours.

250 ex-Porno König's...

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4861873920/h9AD2F562/

From the King of Porn to a GFY lurker... :helpme :(

:stoned

ADG

Well now at least you know that the M-100 project was really a 100M project :1orglaugh

And thank god that Europe is such a big "house" to be arrested in, much more pleasant than the whole ankle bracelet deal in the US of A. :winkwink:

Thanks for the entertainment I guess.

I try and not think about how much MONEY I would've made if I was smart enough to get into this game PRE-tubes. It would make me less motivated, lazy, sarcastic, jaded and negative, just like most posters from "the Golden Age" of online porn. LOL Instead I just deal with today's realities and try and do the best I can.

You can't think about it because you weren't around then. Given the number of studios that have gone out of business because of these pricks, if you had been around - you'd probably be a stat too as a small shop setup.

First off...I ran Ampland, Al was my partner.

Secondly...we weren't stealing any content. When it first started we linked to stuff we shouldn't have because we didn't know any better. But we got set straight real fast.

Thirdly...we made millions of dollars with the people who owned content (paysites). We didn't devalue their content in any way. We worked with them and it was mutually advantageous (i.e. the golden years of the adult industry online)

Fourth (and last)...I owned and shot every bit of content for the content company we owned. One of the many companies we ran in adult: Pure Candy Images.
Started shooting for that in 1997 and opened the doors to it in 1998.
Sold it in 2002.

So there goes your theory that I was some kind of thief who only saw the light when I opened Claudia-Marie.Com (in 2007)

I was never a thief. Never devalued anyone's content. And never used anything without permission. Hell, we bought disc after disc of non-exlclusive content to make galleries.

Then around 2002, I stopped taking any submissions and went 100% hosted galleries.

Sorry pal...but your feeble attempt to make ME the bad guy doesn't fly.
But I'll remember that you did try it, so if I happen to run into you at a show I can tell you to kiss my ass in person.

or maybe English isn't his first language.

. . . . . :) lot more cash on the other side. :thumbsup

Damn you sucked Fabians ass and still didnt find a peanut huh....maybe ya just enjoy it...

Bump for thread no one seems to care at.

Why bump it? What's left to say?

who is your next target to stalk?

what if everyone would focus on growing their own business instead of worrying what Fabian is doing?

And don't give me the usual Fabian is preventing my business to grow bullshit, ranting here doesn't solve shit, adopt or die :2 cents:

I'm actually capable of multi-tasking. :1orglaugh

i'm not adopting anything...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Well, there goes my dream of calling you "Dad" :1orglaugh

All the sites that innovated are happy, paywebsites, dating sites, camsites, cpa networks, traffic brokers/systems, content submitters, affiliates and even spammers of content/comments.

Tubes are out there, you cant ignore them, you can hate them but you cant ignore them if you want to run a solid business nowadays.

You seem pretty happy with the way things are Mike Dutch. What do you do these days?
Did you "innovate" like Manwin (stolen content)? Or some other innovation?

I didn't say I am happy, please dont put any words in my mouth ;-) I just say I adjusted to what happened and changed my business so we can keep making money.

When I ran askjolene.com we opened up an Tube, always containing the movies of sponsors and linking to them. It was a hard business model and lost over the big tubes that provided full movies. We mostly push sponsors now with our CPA networks containing a solid set of affiliates.

He ran a theft forum. Assuming all of those thousands of links were up when you were running it, Mike. If not, I guess he spent time adapting to criminal business models.

Its no excuse to say "we do it because everyone else is doing it." If people had spines in this business Fabian would have remained a failure.

"If people had spines in this business Fabian would have remained a failure."

Care to explain that statement?

Sure. If content owners had truly worked together against tubes and piracy things might have been different. There is no unity in this business. Too many are afraid of having bright lights on them. Loophole should have been closed a decade ago. Legal by technicality, many tubes do not comply and skirt the law every chance they get. Ethics? There are none. It is porn after all.

Systems for automating uploading and re-posting DMCA'd content are openly touted,admired and purchased.

Fabian and his ilk depend on being able to skirt applicable laws. Nothing controversial here. It's biz as usual.

What you say makes sense...it was the "spines" that threw me off...I just do not see how "spines" plays much of a roll.

A good example of what Captain Kawaii might be saying (sorry to put words/thoughts into a head that needs no assistance in thinking) are gay tubes and how they band together to fight piracy.

Whatever, quit with the tough guy stuff, not looking to drop the gloves with you. I just am saying what you yourself admit to. You were sending to things you later realized you shouldn't be and you changed, end of story. Happy ending. But it wasn't like that necessarily for some of your peers and you know I know you know what I am talking about.

And so my point is valid. Those so-called "Golden Years" were rich due to just as much edgy and ethically questionable biz practices.

What his people did is like stealing your car radio, what fabian did is like stealing your whole car.

Both aren't right, but there is a big difference in the 2 right?

I hope you are asking me that sarcastically.

Stealing is stealing. I don't care if it is one penny.

However, neither Robbie or Fabian would say that what is or was going on would or could be called stealing. Both would say he policed the situation given the tools to do so. Both would say he operated within the lines of what was acceptable and competitively necessary in the market. Neither would be wrong.

If Manwin started a FREE web hosting company with free bandwidth, unlimited servers, no ads, all 100% FREE with bandwidth and servers stolen from you, you'd be singing a different tune.

so what's next ?

I agree totally, though hating them is a 100% waste of time/energy. That doesn't negate what I said though (which was just an observation anyway).

No what Robbie did was different :1orglaugh

Not really.

The consequences would be quite different if you stole a single penny from me vs if you stole 100k.