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JayAllan 03-19-2014 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20018390)
Damn Fav restaurant. Hmmm

Super Rica Taqueria in Santa Barabara. Awesome little dive taco place. Best tacos i've had

Prime 112 skirt steak my fav steak

I was just at La Super Rica this week ;) Love that place! Let me know next time you are going to be in Santa Barbara.

Shap 03-20-2014 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Nice_Nick (Post 20021330)
These are interesting questions and something you don't often see from a guest.

It wasn't a guest at the time. It's former owner of YouPorn and current owner of Ruseful

Alex911 05-15-2014 09:43 AM

Almighty Shap, I'd love to have your insights too :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Which way does the wind blow?

No seriously, what do you think this industry will look like in 10 years?

visiono 10-22-2014 04:45 PM

how many active members do the top porn sites have ?

johnnyloadproductions 12-17-2014 05:02 PM

Shap, why do you like Gary Vaynerchuk so much? I like him too, but a bit loony and works through brute force.
Why Gary Vaynerchuk Is Flat Out Wrong

Yet, you watch many if not all of his videos, I can guess but what aspects of his personality draw you in the most?

Yes, I crawled up your ass smelled around, studied you for a bit but just thought of this offhand as Gary is starting to get more attention now. :)

Shap 12-19-2014 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex911 (Post 20087836)
Almighty Shap, I'd love to have your insights too :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Which way does the wind blow?

No seriously, what do you think this industry will look like in 10 years?

Sorry this is late. I missed this question.

Tough to say. I haven't been out of the biz for 3 years now and I haven't seen actual sales figures of any of the companies so I may not be the best to say.

A few things I can say. There is so much porn being consumed for free that there is a greater and larger porn audience than ever before. The problem is (much like the app community) it's an audience that has been taught they don't have to pay to get decent quality and enormous quantity content. So bigger audience than ever but one that has the expectation that it should be free. To make money there will probably be two options. One have an outstanding product that is worth paying for or have a great sales hook and then rape the hell out of the credit card.

One big problem I see is banking. Porn has always been an undesirable business for reputable banks. I can see the next few years being a very hard road to travel from a banking perspective. To be honest the banking hassles are one of the reasons the industry isn't as attractive to me as it once was.

Shap 12-19-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by visiono (Post 20262934)
how many active members do the top porn sites have ?

Good question. 100,000 range. Just a guess. I don't know.

Shap 12-19-2014 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions (Post 20328824)
Shap, why do you like Gary Vaynerchuk so much? I like him too, but a bit loony and works through brute force.
Why Gary Vaynerchuk Is Flat Out Wrong

Yet, you watch many if not all of his videos, I can guess but what aspects of his personality draw you in the most?

Yes, I crawled up your ass smelled around, studied you for a bit but just thought of this offhand as Gary is starting to get more attention now. :)

I love his energy and honesty. It's infectious :)

The message he's been pushing for the past 10 years is almost exactly everything we did to be successful. It may not work for all but my approach to business, this industry, treating customers and clients, dealing with the public was very similar. I appreciate where he's coming from. I know it works.

As you said it clearly isn't for everyone. Doesn't work for everyone. But it worked for me and I like listening to where he thinks things are going now :)

The Porn Nerd 12-19-2014 03:35 PM

Hey Shap, I have a tube site opportunity for you. I am doing it anyway but with some investment it could become huge within a year. Simply no other tube site is currently doing what I am planning.

It's a shame about Sextube but this could be a way of topping that site's success. Reach out if interested. :)

Shap 12-19-2014 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20331270)
Hey Shap, I have a tube site opportunity for you. I am doing it anyway but with some investment it could become huge within a year. Simply no other tube site is currently doing what I am planning.

It's a shame about Sextube but this could be a way of topping that site's success. Reach out if interested. :)

What are you looking for? $$$?

Mutt 12-19-2014 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20331252)
Good question. 100,000 range. Just a guess. I don't know.

I think you're way high now. Whatever number of members Twistys had when you sold I am sure it's at most 30% of that number now.

I'm not sure even Brazzers or RK would have 100,000 members, I'll never know but I'd say considerably less now.

DeanCapture 12-19-2014 04:04 PM

Happy Holidays Shap'ster! Hope you and the family are well :thumbsup

Socks 12-19-2014 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20331250)
One big problem I see is banking. Porn has always been an undesirable business for reputable banks. I can see the next few years being a very hard road to travel from a banking perspective. To be honest the banking hassles are one of the reasons the industry isn't as attractive to me as it once was.

You're so right so many times it's scary.

I flew to Las Vegas last month to open a business bank account. They happily opened it. I flew back and a week later it was closed. No reason given.

Then I drove to Buffalo the morning of the historic snowstorm, making sure I didn't miss a day. Many banks were closed, but we were able to deal with 2 banks. One of them opened an account for us on the spot and we've had no problems so far. The other just got back to me today and said they were "sorry, but..."

Now we have to go back to open a secondary account, because having only one is short sighted.

Nickatilynx 12-19-2014 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20331250)
Sorry this is late. I missed this question.

One big problem I see is banking. Porn has always been an undesirable business for reputable banks. I can see the next few years being a very hard road to travel from a banking perspective. To be honest the banking hassles are one of the reasons the industry isn't as attractive to me as it once was.

Absolutely true.

The only answer is...

Be the bank...

;-))

Nickatilynx 12-19-2014 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20331301)
I think you're way high now. Whatever number of members Twistys had when you sold I am sure it's at most 30% of that number now.

I'm not sure even Brazzers or RK would have 100,000 members, I'll never know but I'd say considerably less now.

Mutt mate , I love you dearly , "known" you since...well since half gfy were in school ,especially since back in the day you offered me "my own domain" ;-)))

There are still places doing 3000 joins...a day.

But as bobx used to say "hahahaha in the dark".

;-))

Mutt 12-19-2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 20331422)
Mutt mate , I love you dearly , "known" you since...well since half gfy were in school ,especially since back in the day you offered me "my own domain" ;-)))

There are still places doing 3000 joins...a day.

But as bobx used to say "hahahaha in the dark".

;-))

old school! dating sites or you're telling me there are adult paysites doing 3000 joins a day still?

lol i offered you your own domain - like one you already owned? or one i owned?

disinfected 12-19-2014 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20331250)
One big problem I see is banking. Porn has always been an undesirable business for reputable banks. I can see the next few years being a very hard road to travel from a banking perspective. To be honest the banking hassles are one of the reasons the industry isn't as attractive to me as it once was.

Decline 05 "Do Not Honor"... cock blocking sales at it's finest :disgust

The Porn Nerd 12-19-2014 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20331276)
What are you looking for? $$$?

$$$ in exchange for a percentage of overall sales with a higher payback %, then a % forever thereafter. We're looking for traffic buys (bookmarkers).

$$$ for custom coding since this tube will need to do things other tubes do not yet do but I know are doable.

$$$ for 3-4 employees. My current Team can handle organic growth but not if we take it to the next level quickly.

Something radical: an ethical tube site with true content partners (and no user uploads). A tube site a struggling Industry can get behind and support. A tubesite that supports the only place new content comes from: paysites. No cannibalization, no bait-and-switch, no traffic re-directs, a true partnership.

But I will leave the real juicy details for a private conversation. :)

PS: I also have an "ace in the hole" when it comes to building the site that will help establish it within a very short time. :)

ohjulien 12-19-2014 11:57 PM

Ask Me Anything ;)

Well, here goes. . .

I am sure you have heard of water marking videos

My Question comes from the out side,

after getting permission to re-watermark videos from a source

and then getting banned from by copywright DMCA

and then seeing the same videos on the most popular tube sites

what is really going on ?

Pay to play?
ole buddy system?

Wish I was back in the day makin loot, manwin fucked me pretty hard

and who Moved my cheese?

ohjulien 12-22-2014 10:30 PM

ask me anything. . .

rintintin34 12-24-2014 01:20 PM

How are you today? :)

Shap 12-30-2014 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rintintin34 (Post 20337095)
How are you today? :)

Amazing! Yourself?

Shap 12-30-2014 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20331649)
$$$ in exchange for a percentage of overall sales with a higher payback %, then a % forever thereafter. We're looking for traffic buys (bookmarkers).

$$$ for custom coding since this tube will need to do things other tubes do not yet do but I know are doable.

$$$ for 3-4 employees. My current Team can handle organic growth but not if we take it to the next level quickly.

Something radical: an ethical tube site with true content partners (and no user uploads). A tube site a struggling Industry can get behind and support. A tubesite that supports the only place new content comes from: paysites. No cannibalization, no bait-and-switch, no traffic re-directs, a true partnership.

But I will leave the real juicy details for a private conversation. :)

PS: I also have an "ace in the hole" when it comes to building the site that will help establish it within a very short time. :)

Not sure. I don't really want to invest any $$$ in the industry. I'd invest time but not $$$

Shap 12-30-2014 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ohjulien (Post 20331670)
Ask Me Anything ;)

Well, here goes. . .

I am sure you have heard of water marking videos

My Question comes from the out side,

after getting permission to re-watermark videos from a source

and then getting banned from by copywright DMCA

and then seeing the same videos on the most popular tube sites

what is really going on ?

Pay to play?
ole buddy system?

Wish I was back in the day makin loot, manwin fucked me pretty hard

and who Moved my cheese?

to be honest I'm not sure what's happening. I feel like a lot of these are probably guys stealing videos without permission or abusing the use of the video. Imo here is how I think it should work.

Assume I own Twistys and you want my videos.
I give them to you to cut and upload to the tubes. If you watermark them it should be with a domain/site that is entirely twistys based. If you want to work with me and my videos I'm all for that. But don't use my videos to then turn around and send your visitors to another site or even worse to a competitor. Use my content to sell my stuff and I think everyone (including the surfer) is happy.

The Porn Nerd 12-30-2014 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20342568)
Not sure. I don't really want to invest any $$$ in the industry. I'd invest time but not $$$

Well you were looking for investment opportunities at some point....:)

I would love some of your time to discuss this idea. Maybe you could give some direction, contacts, insights, etc. We would be willing to discuss % for this consultation, too.



porn nerd cash AT Gmail if you would like to discuss.

nico-t 12-30-2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20342574)
I feel like a lot of these are probably guys stealing videos without permission or abusing the use of the video.

funny, this is how the company that bought yours earned their capital and paid you with it :upsidedow

Shap 12-30-2014 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 20342749)
funny, this is how the company that bought yours earned their capital and paid you with it :upsidedow

Agreed!!

dillonaire 12-30-2014 05:13 PM

How many times a week do you pleasure yourself?

visiono 03-03-2015 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20331252)
Good question. 100,000 range. Just a guess. I don't know.

i heard the figure closer to only 8000 active. that is, no more the 8000 x $20/month average. there maybe 100,000 members that signup but not all year round. another words, no way a site gets 100,000 x $20 or $2 million per month. I actually was expecting 100,000 x $20 / month from top sites like brazzers and realitykings but i heard that is just not the case.
Anyone else knows?

visiono 03-03-2015 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20331301)
I think you're way high now. Whatever number of members Twistys had when you sold I am sure it's at most 30% of that number now.

I'm not sure even Brazzers or RK would have 100,000 members, I'll never know but I'd say considerably less now.

30,000 paying $20 every single month during the entire year would be fair then?
ie, $6 million gross monthly all year round?

slapass 03-03-2015 05:34 PM

Shap, can you tell us where you are spending time and energy or would spend time and energy in this industry? In other words are you pushing anything or would you?

Wendy-Etology 03-03-2015 05:48 PM

since youre getting a new car, i call dibs on the G wagon

visiono 03-03-2015 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JayAllan (Post 19976396)
Robbie,

I could break it down line by line for you but this is not the place to do that. Here are some basics though:

You need deep sets. That means a regular bedroom will not do. Once you get to the house you have to stage all the furniture to get that setup/look. That takes time and manpower. We often move king size beds from upstairs to downstairs hallways etc. Then you need to light that deep set in different stages. Since it is deep you are really lighting the foreground, the background, and the subjects, all with different ranges of light. Then you need to set up dollies/ sliders and in some cases jibs. They have to be all balanced and sandbagged etc. Not to mention trucked in and carried to wherever you are shooting. All that extra time spent setting up and balancing lights and moving them in is costly. I use 15 plus lights all the time.


The furniture and the clothing need to match and so you need to buy appropriate wardrobe the day before. (all this btw is standard in mainstream and was standard on every Penthouse Magazine shoot I ever was involved in when Bob Guccione owned it) These scenes cannot be shot with less than three assistants. Makeup is more detailed. Just like with Penthouse Centerfolds you are looking at 3 plus hours of makeup and not by some random porn makeup artist. I pay my MUA girls at least $500 a girl and I only use specific MUA that can actually do it. Trust me with these girls and this type of shoot only the best MUA’s will do. There is a small circle I share with Holly, Dean, Tammy etc. You also can not shoot sound in camera as that will not work with DSLRs to achieve the quality we get. So you need separate sound recorders and a sound person to run a boom.

So we have several crew members that have to be paid and a lot of time needed for makeup and setup. Locations are also costly when you are in these types of homes and since there is so much setup one can only get 2 shoots done in a 12-14 hour day. This adds to the cost as well since you can only split the location by in half. If I was shooting gonzo I could shoot 6 scenes in the same time.

Not everyone who watches these glamcore films will appreciate the subtle details and quality flourishes certainly. They are not the target buyers. Just like any niche (Fetish is a good example) it is the specific details that make it good and the people that appreciate that niche see it right away. We also pay a composer to score our scenes and that costs as well. Most of my scenes for babes did get cheesy music added unfortunately but that was (in my opinion) a bad call on their end. They are my client and it is their product so they are free to do with it as they wish.

Also the private Jets and Caviar does add up ;)

do you think charging the consumer more for x-art type content would work?

visiono 03-03-2015 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 19976702)
True. IMO the key with glamcore is the model. That's just me and that's from someone who hasn't spent any time in the market. But my gut is if it's going to be Ultra high end and if it wants to differentiate from brazzers then it has to be new models. It has to be girls i've never seen or never seen in a hardcore scenes.

how much does x-art pay for their female bg model including anal?

Shap 03-06-2015 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wendy-Etology (Post 20409235)
since youre getting a new car, i call dibs on the G wagon

Hahaha G Wagon is awesome!

Shap 03-06-2015 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by visiono (Post 20409236)
do you think charging the consumer more for x-art type content would work?

It's not always about charging the most you can charge rather than charging what's fair. I've always felt you charge a fair price and offer a solid product and you'll do well. The key is to find that fair price. You don't want to be the cheapest, not the most expensive. It takes a lot of testing.

Shap 03-06-2015 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by visiono (Post 20409244)
how much does x-art pay for their female bg model including anal?

Not sure. my guess is at least 1000 probably up to 3000

Shap 03-06-2015 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by visiono (Post 20409194)
i heard the figure closer to only 8000 active. that is, no more the 8000 x $20/month average. there maybe 100,000 members that signup but not all year round. another words, no way a site gets 100,000 x $20 or $2 million per month. I actually was expecting 100,000 x $20 / month from top sites like brazzers and realitykings but i heard that is just not the case.
Anyone else knows?

I'm telling you it's the case. 8000 is peanuts. I was way bigger than 8000 and I was no where near a top site

Shap 03-06-2015 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20409227)
Shap, can you tell us where you are spending time and energy or would spend time and energy in this industry? In other words are you pushing anything or would you?

Personally not much. Nothing industry related yet. Maybe this year though :)

In this industry I would spend all my time and energy figuring out how to convert tube traffic to my site. I believe the key to making money in 2015 is having tours and content that can convert tube traffic. I know it's not nastradamus stuff. But I'd start with that.

visiono 03-06-2015 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20411721)
I'm telling you it's the case. 8000 is peanuts. I was way bigger than 8000 and I was no where near a top site

Thanks Snap, so just to clarify you think a site like x-art would have close to 100k x $20/m gross revenue every single month? ie, $2 million/month roughly? Who do you consider top sites?


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