A recent report found that Canadian companies contributed 73% more to air pollution than companies in the United States. Within the 73% more emissions it was found that Canadian companies "released 29% more respiratory toxins into the air than the U.S.


oil sands pollution has increased by 20% since 2009.


VOCs and other air contaminants are set to increase in the future as a result of continued output from the oil sands.[5] Oil sands pollution is not only set to increase VOCs, but also, acid rain

Advocacy group Ecojustice estimates overall raw sewage dumping in Canada to be around 200 billion litres a year. The Canadian government recently announced waste water regulations that would allow for sewage to be dumped into Canadian waters until 2040. Proper measures for waste water disposal will not immediately be put in place, rather, they will be implemented gradually from 2020 to 2040.
However, in the meantime, Canadian municipalities may continue to pollute their waters by dumping sewage. This can prominently be viewed with Halifax, Nova Scotia. In Halifax, human waste is dumped directly into the Halifax harbour. This dumping can mainly be attributed to a failure in their sewage treatment infrastructure. Victoria, British Columbia also follows a similar practice by getting rid of their untreated waste into the ocean.

Agreed, it's easier for them to make money off us with those technologies, I want to see more research in hydrogen powered cars. On a submarine, we separated O2 from the Hydrogen in the sea water. We stored the O2 to breathe and pumped the Hydrogen over board. The same tech could be used to power a car, the tech is several decades old.

I live in BC and I work on run of the river hydro electric power plants part of the year. In BC electric cars are a good Idea, but we are blessed here. Rest of the world not so much. But you have to start somewhere I guess.

I don't think that electric cars are a solution, but rather a push in the right direction.
It's clearly no secret that in a few generations the oil will run out. So I am on board with alternatives and changing peoples mindset that the only way to go is with gasoline.

To get to good/better/cleaner technology, you need to work at it.

Companies, research, all builds on itself. I can't really see electric/batteries in the future anytime soon. When things smooth out and they are able to build Nanoarchitectures for lithium-ion batteries, that will help.

No matter we need to move away from burning oils outright.

It would be nice if we could use fusion, unfortunately we haven't gotten the ratio of energy return past 1; Meaning right now for every 1 unit of energy used to create a fusion reaction I believe they can get .6 back. We solve that there are oceans full of hydrogen (part of the water) waiting as fuel.

Is there anything at all that you don't try to blame on Obama? The Bush admin appointed Hamid Karzai as the temporary leader in Afghan, he then won the election as the President. Obama didn't have shit to do with it,

Seriously dude you are obsessed, you really need a shrink.

Obama is pulling troops out of Afghanistan ? Yes or at least working on it.

Is he leaving someone in charge? Yes

Where did I lose you? I think you need a copy of hooked on phonics!

Like I said, I wish they would push hydrogen powered cars. Fill up with water, separate the hydrogen from the o2, then pump them into a cylinder and spark it. The exhaust is water going back into the tank. It's a long way off, but with the right backing and minds, it could work. HHO

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...t-from-hyundai

not as easy as you say - but to me hydrogen is also a way better alternative solution to gas than batteries

but once again it depends on how you produce whatever is needed - simply filling water in your tank won't work (at least for now)

The tech for splitting up the H20 is old, we did it on a submarine to get the O2. There has to be a way to make it smaller for a car. If we could use ocean water to make pure Oxygen to store for use to pump into the air on board as needed on a submarine that was first launched in the 60's, then this shouldn't be a problem.

Fitty stimulus packages:thumbsup

I think you have been drinking the kool aid far too long.. You are bad as the conspiracy nutters, in the fact that you can't understand any sort of reality with out somehow being able to blame everything wrong with the world on Obama. As I said before you are obsessed. See a shrink.

Just got home from an intense major incident ( IT ) .

Tx for all the laughs, mainly to the OP . :thumbsup

most citizens allready have tons of batteries with their smartphones, notebooks whatsever inside their households, and no one seems to care or be concerned

now theres a decent car by an independent manufacturer that starts to get successfull and ouups the scandal goes

You know crockett, you sure are a waste of time, you have nothing to add but to call me names, typical liberal response. Why don't you just bow out gracefully. You are just out of your league.

Seriously, do you have anything intelligent to say?

You know I like you and respect you. But you are starting to go off the deep end.

Tony, you and I disagree on things, but we are civil to each other. crocket jumps in threads just to call me names. The op is about facts, if you disagree with the facts or want to make comments, go ahead. But if I call you on it, then you shouldn't get your panties in a twist.
crocket is a moron that always takes the liberal side of the debate. And when he runs out of propaganda to use, he starts with the insults, pretty lame if you ask me.

I have a problem with hybrid and electric cars because of the huge carbon foot print they have because of the metals and chemicals they use in their batteries and having the government spending millions to loan them and millions more to promote them.

i really think you should start to worry about the carbon footprint of cars like the F150 - huge piece of metal with horrible mpg and not more space inside than a regular Jetta or Passat

still the most sold car in the US (for whatever reason)

seriously - before you start worrying about cars that in the foreseeable future will remain a small percentage of total cars sold, rather start convincing people to drive smaller (in total size/weight) cars with 3 or 4 cylinder gas or diesel engines that do 40 mpg or more

but since that doesnt fit your agenda, i dont have much hope

I drive a F150. It gets ok gas mileage for a 4x4 with a V8. I don't drive it much anymore. When I go on trips I use my Harley that gets just a hair over 40 mpg.

My agenda is common sense.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, federal policies to prop up and promote electric cars will cost taxpayers $7.5 billion through 2019.

It's not about the size of sales that I'm concerned about, it's the money that the government is spending on each car when the battery technology is flawed. They need to address that before pushing forward.

Last month, the ?father of the Prius,? Takeshi Uchiyamada declared that electric cars were simply ?not viable.? "Because of its shortcomings--driving range, cost and recharging time--the electric vehicle is not a viable replacement for most conventional cars," said Uchiyamada. "We need something entirely new."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...as-Powered-Car

Show me the test done by an independent company that has nothing to gain except the payment and I MIGHT believe it.

Dynamo, let's be clear. EVERYTHING has an impact on the environment. What I usually bitch about is people's disregard for the facts. Tesla promote itself as a very green car which it is, but of course things like its batteries and manufacture cause some pollution too.

What I wish people would do is support more companies that not only have a green policy, but push harder for change to the system. For example, tax subsidies should go to new green companies for research and development, not to big oil.

But that's what you do, just like in this thread. You say peeps should pick up a science book, then go on to say laptop batteries are the same as the batteries in the Tesla. I posted a chart 2x showing the basic difference for you, which you disregarded.

That's why I like replying to your comments, btw, so don't you go changing! :1orglaugh

Exactly right.

Why?

Personally I was never a big fan of electric but I am really getting there. IMO I think Telsa makes the best electric car. I tried the Chevy Volt and Nissan Leaf and neither compare to Telsa.


About 10k to 40k of Birds die from hitting Windmills every here, but this is nothing compared to other sources.

Lighted Communication Towers : 40 to 50 MILLION bird deaths each year.
Cars : 60 to 80 Million Bird deaths each year
Windows : 100 Million to 1 Billion per year
Power Lines : 130 Million to 174 Million
Domestic cats : Hundreds of Millions.


That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. There are too many cars in busy cities. Stop lights are used to KEEP TRAFFIC MOVING, not slow it down. Since the world love their cars, replacing them with greener cars is the best way to reduce pollution.

But hey, you know what you would be a good start? Drive-thru windows at MacDonalds. Talk about a waste of energy for all the wrong reasons.

Wrong again. Don't you read anything but right-wing bullshit? http://www.technologyreview.com/news...-gets-a-boost/
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/tesl...ycling-program
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/tesla...in-europe.html (since 2011)
https://www.apple.com/ca/batteries/

I don't think Hyrdogen is a good idea. As you like to say about batteries, there is a huge cost to the environment to make and refine Hydrogen. And, Hydogen requires very large spherical tanks in your car. And hydrogen doesn't just burn like gas when in an accident. It explodes with incredible force. And besides, Hydrogen requires a whole new delivery infrastructure so cars can "gas up". Why bother, when you can get "gas up" at home with an electric car?


This is called Electrolysis, and sure I thought about this too. In fact I did this when I was a little kid. With a couple of test tubes or jars, a plastic bucket, wires and DC current, I could separate the Oxygen and Hydrogen from water, then light the gas on fire for a fun POP of a mini explosion. Sound like the answer, right? Zap water and turn it into fuel. The problem is that it is not efficient enough. It takes alot of energy to separate the H and O from water, and alot of time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis

http://www.abtassociates.com/newsrel...nvironmen.aspx

This study was done in partnership with the EPA

Not laughing at this - I really think you're right. Vendy, maybe you should see a shrink...



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Vendy, it's you that has the issues. You are so blinded by any other ideas that do not sit perfectly with what you think you know. The basic issue is this : The world is a dirty place thanks to coal and big oil. Alternatives need to be discussed, found, explored and exploited. That's it, thats all. Stop shitting over other ideas just because you're an old fart too set in his ways. By your thinking, your computer would still be nothing but a terminal connected to a Univac.

It's a shame that you call people like Crockett a "Waste of time" when you are the one with the ass-backwards ideas.

But Vendy old pal.... don't you agree that it is better to have a car that does not spew out noxious gasses out of its ass just to get people from here to there? Don't you at least agree that a high tech car is better than a new car based on the century-old "technology" of a noisy, dirty, gasoline engine? This isn't the 1950's anymore...

But Vendy this is the entire point. Maybe battery technology isn't perfect, but R&D money and other loans are intended to help RESEARCH and DEVELOP new technologies to make things better.

As a consumer, the Chevy Volt is flawed because the range sucks (50 miles per charge). Tesla beat them silly with a 250 Mile range. Imagine a few years from now when a 500 Mile and 1000 mile battery range becomes reality. This can only be achieved by more research and development. The government's push and promotion on this is a great great idea.




Well first of course he would say that.

My problem with Hybrid cars is that they carry around a gas engine, transmission, gas tank, oil tank, oil pump, pistons etc etc and all the extra weight, placing unnecessary burden on the electric engine. Strip all that stuff out and you have a lighter car that can go further on a charge. The gas engine components in a way, make the reason for the electric side of the car moot, and vice-versa. The Prius is a pretty nice car, but seems flawed in my opinion.

Maybe in Canada, but stop lights are used to keep traffic going sounds a little weird. Do you run red lights a lot in Canada?

Ok, so they started
You do know that Hydrogen is made from water right?

That's why I want to see more efforts go into it. Make the chemical reaction more efficient and we will have the perfect power plant.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogo...-going-to-try/

right now Tesla indeed buys regular laptop batteries from Panasonic

or at least people argue about it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster


But:


and to put that into perspective

So everyone that disagrees with you needs a shrink? I know who needs a shrink!


crocket gave no ideas, only that I needed a shrink. And I think the world needs new ideas, but not ones that involve all the dangerous chemicals

I never said that, voices in your head?

So you are agreeing with me

Carbon footprint is bigger than a normal car because of the battery, that's what I don't like about them

He will ignore your facts and raise you a couple innuendos

and one more:
http://cleantechnica.com/2013/09/10/...top-batteries/

so i have to admit that they use indeed way more batteries than i thought - but it's still laptop batteries

good thing i said that i dont like electric cars anyways...

Anyone have a study on how much lead paint was used in the interiors of submarines?

None, not much paint at all. But then all you care about is attacking me. Fucking Troll

20,000 units, 7,000 laptop batteries per car, that's 140 million laptop batteries
If Tesla continues to grow, this could turn into a huge problem.

While they are the same form factor, 18650, but are not of the same chemistry, the key difference is the nickel cobalt cathodes(which is the problem). laptop batteries used in laptops do not use nickel cobalt

more here

http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/for...ly-lithium-ion

http://largebattery2012.blog.terra.c...oxide-battery/

Just trying to diagnose the root cause of this mental obsession of yours.

What's causing your obsession of me?

Here's an interview with the CTO of Tesla where he talks about using the nickel cobalt batteries

http://articles.sae.org/11923/

Look everyone, like electric cars?
Well batteries suck
Here's a better idea by Honda called the FCX Clarity
http://www.carscoops.com/2014/01/hon...ogen-fuel.html
Fill it up at a station just like gas, no emissions other than water. Running an electric motor.
This is the kind of tech we should look at, we can never run out of Hydrogen.

That only works for very localized travel.

Speaking for myself, I did not own a pickup for the inside space; never knew anyone that did. Cargo space.

One lead paint comment about Zilla versus hundreds of hours spent ranting about Obama.

Lol you crack me up