Obsession confirmed

Cargo space, being able to tow trailers with ski boats or jet skis or dirt bikes on them. Pickups are awesome!

4X4's are the best

but why do they sell like crazy - there cant be that many mexican gardeners...

and you cant tell me that 1 million+ pickups sold every year are used to tow boats every weekend (which you also can do with a regular car unless your boat is midsize yacht)

People here like to fix up their homes, you can bring home a full sheet of plywood in the bed of mine. I have a couple milk crates in the back for when I go grocery shopping. A ski boat with a big V8 in it can weigh a lot. You would be surprised how many times I get asked to help haul something because I have a pick up. I have always owned a pick up! My first was a 70 dodge 4x4 with a 440 magnum...

Also, not everyone lives in the city, if you own any property, you have to own one

When talking to you there is no reasoning or any chance that you will ever accept anything that doesn't fit your narrow little view of the world as you see it. Trying to reason with you or explain something to you is a waste of time. However I'm doing a community service by telling you to visit a shrink..

Meanwhile Tesla is now out selling BMW, Mercedes and Lexus in many areas of the US but that's a failure in your little Fox News utopia.

Lol.... And you were saying that you were concerned about " the carbon footprint " ...... :) :)

I don't have a dog in this race, but read the whole article. Tesla is outselling the top of the line of the 3 mentioned for a few months. Apples and oranges. The entry level Sclass is $25k more than a top line tesla. And the feds don't kick in a rebate.

That being said, I like electric cars. I might trade my Smart car in for the electric version.

Why I also have a Harley that gets a hair over 40 MPG
I know that's not as good as your skateboard, But I'm happy.

End result is that Battery based cars are being sold because they are good for the environment, that's a lie.

The Hydrogen car that Honda makes is much better

LOL, you haven't even got into the conversation you dumb fucking shit for brains!

All you have done in this thread is try to insult me and you can't even do that.

You are a waste of my time, you have a problem with what I'm saying, join the debate, don't yell insults from the sidelines and confirm just how fucking stupid you are!!!

The thread is based on a government study that shows that the batteries in the Tesla are bad for the environment, please tell me where that's wrong you mental midget!

Just so long as the government doesn't give out a loan, even if it is paid back early, RIGHT?

or you do it like the people over here - you just borrow a trailer for the weekend

or have your stuff delivered

People use them as work vehicles; and there is a whole tot of empty space between LA and NYC, trucks come in handy for the people that live there.

I suspect boats rank pretty low on the reason trucks are purchased.

Dynamo,

I didn't answer you yet because I really don't know how to answer you. I'm not a chemistry major and I wanted to do some research before answering you.

You said in your post that the batteries are not the same, and you posted a chart:

http://i.imgur.com/zJ4u9RN.jpg

If you look at the very bottom of the chart you posted it says "Table 1: Reference names for Li-ion (Lithium Ion) batteries. All of the batteries are Lithium Ion, and are used in cars & computers. The chemical composition may be different for different types of batteries but this is to be expected. I don't know which of the compounds in each of the batteries is more polluting than the other, but this is not the point. I am happy to say that All of them have pollution issues when it comes to the manufacturing process, especially if the plant that makes them dumps waste instead of process & recycle it properly.



Wow... now you're trolling. Without traffic lights, your city would be in 24/7 gridlock and save lives. Sure they're a nuisance when you've got to get from A to B, but really man... fuck.. now you're anti traffic-light?

Sigh... I guess you didn't read my post. Yes there's Hydrogen in water, but it is not the only source.

Allow me to school you on SCIENCE 101. Hydrogen powered cars convert Hydrogen into electriciy with something called a Fuel Cell. At first it seems like a GREAT idea because (Hey! It's electric!) and Hey Hey! It produces zero emissions except for WATER (Yes, Water comes out of the tail pipe in a Hydrogen powered car) and heat.

The Hydrogen fuel to power your car can come from water, and it can also come from Natural gas. A process called steam reformation can be used to separate the hydrogen in the gas from the carbon and is the most common way to get Hydrogen. If the point of using Hydrogen in cars is to save the earth, getting it from Natural gas is the worst possible way to do it because surprise - it ads CO2 and other crap to the atmosphere.

By the time Hydrogen is put into your tank the cost to you is almost the same as regular gas too, not including the cost of the carbon footprint.

Besides that, the cost is high. You need the cars to run on them, and you need the infrastructure to fuel them as I said earlier. The cars are very expensive - over $100,000 right now. Then there's the storage of Hydrogen. Did you know that Hydrogen expands when it gets warm? To make sure the thanks don't explode, Hydrogen powered cars have to vent some gas to reduce the pressure if the car is parked in the sun for too long. Leave your car out for a few days, and the tank will be empty.

So really, really? Tell me fucking why you think Hydrogen is a better solution than plug-in electric. Come fucking on...

My god you are hopeless.

I give up.

Vendy: Just keep on voting for republican assholes. Just keep on sucking the tit of big oil and paying a fortune and a half for the energy you use. Just keep on polluting your world and choking the children. Just keep your head in the sand and dismissing all forms of real progress so you can live forever in the "good old days". Be happy my friend, be happy.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=enpmXZYc5qA

The bamboozling of America.

Why would I want to borrow a trailer when I have a truck?

I never said get rid of the stop lights, read again

So wait, you are telling me there is a bad way to produce it and a good way to produce it and you are telling me we are stuck with the bad way?

Come on, earlier you told me you could make it. Yes it has challenges, but so does everything else. If you used electricity to make hydrogen from clean energy, then stored it for use. Yes it expands, so does gasoline, you knew that didn't you?
They have working models of cars that are not tethered to electric plugs that don't need a battery that have a range of over 200 miles that are cleaner than anything else on the road and you think it's not worth the time to look at?

Wait, I bring up a car that has zero emission and somehow your twisted mind thinks I want to pollute the world, get a fucking grip!

Just because I think Obama is a shit for a president, don't think you know how I vote. I'm not republican. Under Obama the cost of gas has skyrocketed. But you want to blame the republicans for that? Pull your head out of your ass!

I see a bunch of holes in that, I watched an episode of top gear and they love the new tech. James Mays drove it, he really liked the idea.

His point is don't own a truck for the 20% of the time you actually do use it for the purposes it was designed for (read: "2 milk crates in the bed for grocery shopping" would not fall under "purposes it was designed for"), own a lower-emmission vehicle and rent a trailer (or similar apparatus) when you need it.

You mean like earlier in this thread when I mentioned I have a Harley that gets a little over 40 mpg?
If you are going to comment, read first! Otherwise don't waste our time!

JTFC, You are dense.

I'll walk you through it.

You went elite and were wrong, as you usually do, thinking you are a science guy while talking shit about others here:


Here's an interview of the CTO (that's Chief Technology Officer) of Tesla and a specific quote- These batteries are NOT the same batteries in your fucking lap top. The difference is what makes them more of a pollutant.


Put simply, you are wrong and dense......... as per usual.

If we dont support alt energy it wont get better and cheaper. The Chinese gov puts 30 billion a year into solar, they now own the market for a technology we created. Americans will wait til gas is $12 a gallon then they will wake up.
When I drove from atlanta to los angeles, you drive thru states that are flat and sunny. There should be solar panels on every house.

Also you know guys I bet you dollars to donuts all the research of batteries being bad for you came from the oil industry. Electric cars really took off they are in trouble.

Batteries are bad, period. No one has to do a study about it, but several have been done. They all say the same thing
Hydrogen cars are electric cars, zero emission vehicles powered by the most plentiful substance in the world, why isn't more being done to research that?

I'm for solar power, Obama has done some good here, he's installing them on the white house and he wants to install them on all federal buildings.
http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...once-more.aspx

But we are talking about cars here.

In a few more years, they won't be able to use it for themselves.

The future will tell for sure, for right now, the battery tech they are using is polluting the world way too much.

But this is something I have wondered about for over 30 years because of my stay on a Submarine where we pumped Hydrogen overboard while keeping the O2. All made from sea water.

We watched the hunt for red october again recently, I had forgotten how bad that flick was! Well, I guess it was OK, but the shoot em up at the end amongst all the missile tubes was pretty bad.

I read the book and saw the movie, it was pretty good till the gun fight. I wouldn't shoot a gun inside unless I had too. Why we had shotguns. Many of the terms used were correct, like the term "Crazy Ivan" But the sonar shack would never be open to the conn like that. They have to be very quiet in the room so we could listen better. When the ship breached doing an emergency blow flying out of the water....I did that a few times, hell of a ride!
here's a pic of my boat doing just that
http://www.titantalk.com/forums/atta...ow-639blow.jpg

The fuel in a submarine is the size of a softball. It lasts for over 10 years.

That's how nuclear power works, it's a giant steam electric generator that produces electricity to power electric motors to propel the ship.

the two reactors on a newer carrier, one can make enough to power everything on the ship, while the other can power a small city! It's been done.

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=38237

My daughter was on the ship at the time, she got a couple medals for it.

Parking would be a bitch

i did like that part, what was the expression they used? hit the sky? fly? something like that/.

Ok, picture it this way, you are on a submarine, big enough to have a nuclear reactor and a crew of just over 100 and you are moving thru the water very deep in the ocean at flank speed. All the ballast tanks are full of water to provide what's called negative buoyancy. Using pressurized air, you blow all the tanks dry in about 2 seconds, position the plains to an up angle and floor it to the surface. The whole ship shakes as you build up speed heading for the surface. Great time to stand on a piece of cardboard and slide down one of the decks on the freshly waxed floor.
Then you breach. Better than any e ticket ride. Nuclear propelled fun ride!