Soldiers cant kill all those 50k riot protestars. :2 cents:

Angry Birds :1orglaugh

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this is not about "joining" the EU but why bother with details

hard to keep track sometimes

Yuri Verbitsky, one of activists was kidnapped from the hospital, taken to a forest were he was tortured and murdered.

This is called an "association" but not a "union". In other words, after the association all the Ukrainian markets will be open to EU and EU will be able to sell their goods with no tax there. That's all. Nobody said that the Ukraine will be joined (be a part of) the EU, nobody said that Ukrainians will be able to cross the EU borders w/o visa and freely work there (do you EU guys interested in additional 45 millions of working migrants?)

On the other hand, such an association will kill a biggest part of the Ukrainian economics because almost all the Ukrainian products are uncompetitive to the EU ones (that's not a secret, right)? So tax free EU products will simple push out the Ukrainian ones from the market.

Furthermore, the mentioned EU association will automatically raise a tax border between Russia and Ukraine, because Russia has no tax free trade with the EU and course our own economics is not interested in letting the EU products to our markets through Ukraine as a tax free ones. As you may guess, this measure will kill those reminds of the Ukrainian economics that were not killed by the tax free EU products.

This is an economical picture of what will happen to the Ukraine in case of the EU association.

But once again, I'm not an Ukrainian citizen and I don't care which way they will choose. Perhaps there will be two countries after that: Western and Eastern Ukraines. Or maybe more of them (like it was with Yugoslavia). Who knows... :2 cents:

:2 cents: :2 cents:

There is nothing mysterious about joining EU process - look how Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary and other countries did that, how they prepared and how benefited from it.

It is not thing to compare.Because those countries were like that because the specific nature of socialistic economy and cold war and you can't directly compare that situation 20 years ago and shape of Ukraine economy and market now.

Best would be to compare with countries that have most similar situation. I guess Serbia would be the closest example because it happened same there. Coup d'etat at first under Eu/ human rights parole, same demonstrations on street and violence , and citizens mostly divided between Russia and West (similar like in Ukraine, most are pro Russian).

Once puppet regime is put on power (Klitschko and the crew....for fuck's sake,how boxer can lead country at first place,without serious diplomatic experience and with suspicious intellectual capacity), precisely happened ....(I will repeat, precisely) what Cyber SEO said above. Economy is ruined , (wasn't competitive to EU). After 14 years debts are so big that nothing can be done without direct or indirect decision from foreign politicians . There is no hope or real plan, and it will just happen on larger scale in bigger country like Ukraine. Who wants this for it's own country? Only stupid people or traitors (profiters)

EU/west is there for a market because 44 mil people is huge market by any means. In case something happen and new government is established , mark my words now and sit back and watch.

In incoming few years you will see bunch of banks from EU that will fast overtake this market and dictate economy rules. At the same time, EU companies will take over food market, and every single profitable industry even if it is small. This means, enormous import and money leak outside of country. Results are fast and devastating after a decade that now maybe seems far away but it is not. Poor will be hidden behind picture of "progress".

As seen before, there will always be rich people that made profit and wealth on this but overall economy will be ruined and it doesn't end there but in increased % of crime , bad health service,and corruption will go to a whole new level ,like it is always happening when economy goes down.

Russians will also take own economic measures to protect themselves which means problems will become even bigger. I wouldn't exclude pressure by raising price of natural gas as revenge and that will just make things worse. This is in short and there are tons of things that they currently don't see and it will be too late when they do. I know, it sounds like my grandma talking, but it is really like that and there is no way back.

At the end, it is not about Eu,it is about getting close to natural resources and wealth in Russia.

There is even worse case scenario and that is civil war and that is also something no one normal wants for it's own country (been there and seen that also) except if someone planed to make new state and will push people into war hoping to get own separated region which is also possible scenario that worked before for the EU/west.
Trick is that this time this would be terrible because Ukraine is divided and bordering with Russia which means real hell in that case, for people and country that can't end good by any means.

It is very simple, government is legally elected and opposition must wait next turn. Everything else should be solved by brutal force,like it would happen in any other country that is supporting this mess on the streets.

Look at Turkey first. Once again Ukraine has not been suggested to be a part of the EU. Read my post above very carefully. If you won't get it from the first time, please read it 3, 5 or 10 times. It's all about economics and it will be fatal for the Ukrainian production.

I live in the 'neighbourhood' and it Is Fucking Scary what is going on. All my reliable sources confirmed its about bad bad anti-democratic forces fucking around with the ukranian people.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger sends a message to the Ukrainian people:

If you don't have a clue what is going on, you should read this:a ukranian poet Yuri Andruchowytsch says:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...hiY_T8zGI/edit

Poet...obviously is living in some other world.

why does everyone think joining the EU will make everything better? Weird.

It is simply natural,|I guess...when humans have problem, they always need some solution,even if it is not real. Same like people believe in god and afterlife. Stupid, ...but there are billions of people like this.

I really do not understand why they keep pushing the EU, only politicians seem happy with it. as far as I'm aware, every country in the EU has a huge anti-EU movement.
In the UK, our EU membership is going to be the only real issue for all the major parties in the next election and at this point, it's looking highly likely that the UK will be leaving the EU in the next few years if the opinion polls prove correct on who'll be our new leaders.

This is the way, first association, then membership. Next time try not to take it personally.

What you said, most of people simply don't know because they don't have info you have. People need something to believe when times are bad. No one will ever let Ukraine in EU, too many people, there are already too many immigrants from youngest EU members and problematic groups from countries not yet in EU (like Gypsies, Albanians, etc...). Lack of experience and education also helps.

ever been to Eastern Europe? Still wondering why they want to be part of EU?

Would you rather integrate with Russia or EU (doesn't matter how far integration goes)?

Amazing pic of the Orthodox priests in between the two sides

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yes, and yes - joining the EU will do nothing really big for the people, it just looks pretty on paper. The only significant difference is pay more taxes.

Compare it to before Obama was president, you had all these naive people thinking he would finally bring change - now he is president and nothing happened, government just went their own way fucking the people like they did before. This is the same.

Not sure if you guys are stupid or just trolling. Ukraine has NO chance to join EU.

Not really.

They're convinced that what their country has done up until now doesn't work and will never work. Therefore, they're ready to try something else ... anything else.

That's the way these things always play out.

It's not so much about the EU as it is about change.

And they don't have a clue how changes can be devastating and what will actually happen. I'was personally involved in same demonstrations in my country , even giving gas masks to protesters and hiding them at home from police offensive. And you know what: I was stupid and I feel sorry for my stupidity. I can say that here in public, and I don't have a problem with that.Fuck yeah, I was naive and without experience just like they are now. Situation is much worse for ordinary people and once system is changed no one will ever hear for them and their problems.

Question is legitimate and good but simplified. Integrating with anyone is always worse option then to be on your own. You need to be compatible on many levels which is problem for countries that are sharing bad historic moments with countries they need to integrate.

In my case ,how do you expect to integrate with countries that openly attacked you, gave part to country to Mmuslim terrorists, bombed civil infrastructure and civilians,blackmailing all the time and lied countless times (that part people from Ukraine will learn in incoming years if they choose that way)?

So I need to integrate for example with Germans (that are de facto leaders and main player in EU) that attacked us three times in a century ,organized mass killing,concentration camps and of course all that with countries that did the same and were on the same side with Habsburgs, Hitler or NATO ? (Hungary,Albania,Croatia,Italy,Bulgaria....).Reall y? My grandfather was burned alive, and three uncles were killed before complete population was ethnically cleansed.

At the other side we have Russians that gave their lives here and we fought Nazis together. Only few kilometers from place where from I am tying this now is graveyard of Russian soldiers that died during liberation of my city in WW2, and in WW1 they blackmailed France if they don't help and send ships for evacuation what basically saved complete nation since army had option to regroup in Greece and run through half of Europe and kick Austrians out.

So, you know my answer to your question now and you can see why it is not simple. As I've said before, loosing option to decide on your own is always bad thing,as far as I am concerned. IN case I could choose, I would stick to comrades and choose american way of doing business and living everyday life.

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was circulated yesterday.. appears to be more than two groups..

Just read what he wrote, it doesn't really matter what his profession is, he is a known and reliable source of information and if you are interested at least a little bit on what is going on there I strongly suggest to read it!!! :2 cents:

Those who think its about EU or not-EU : that is totally over, it is civil war there, don't you Fucking get it???
It's a SHAME no one reads the linked doc so here we fukkin go:



Dear friends,
especially foreign journalists and editors,

These days I receive from you lots of inquiries requesting to describe the current situation in Kyiv and overall in Ukraine, express my opinion on what is happening, and formulate my vision of at least the nearest future. Since I am simply physically unable to respond separately to each of your publications with an extended analytical essay, I have decided to prepare this brief
statement which each of you can use in accordance with your needs. The most important things I must tell you are as follows.

During the less than four years of its rule, Mr. Yanukovych?s regime has brought the country and the society to the utter limit of tensions. Even worse, it has boxed itself into a no-exit situation where it must hold on to power forever?by any means necessary. Otherwise it would have to face criminal justice in its full severity. The scale of what has been stolen and usurped exceeds all imaginination of what human avarice is capable.

The only answer this regime has been proposing in the face of peaceful protests, now in their third month, is violence, violence that escalates and is ?hybrid? in its nature: special forces? attacks at the Maidan are combined with individual harassment and persecution of opposition activists and ordinary participants in protest actions (surveillance, beatings, torching of cars and houses, storming of residences, searches, arrests, rubber-stamp court proceedings). The keyword here is intimidation. And since it is ineffective, and people are protesting on an increasingly massive scale, the powers-that-be make these repressive actions even harsher.

The ?legal base? for them was created on January 16, when the Members of Parliament fully dependent on the President, in a crude violation of all rules of procedure and voting, indeed of the Constitution itself, in the course of just a couple of minutes (!) with a simple show of hands (!) voted in a whole series of legal changes which effectively introduce dictatorial rule and a state of emergency in the country without formally declaring them. For instance, by writing and disseminating this, I am subject to several new criminal code articles for ?defamation,? ?inflaming tensions,? etc.

Briefly put, if these ?laws? are recognized, one should conclude: in Ukraine, everything that is not expressly permitted by the powers-that-be is forbidden. And the only thing permitted by those in power is to yield to them.
Not agreeing to these ?laws,? on January 19 the Ukrainian society rose up, yet again, to defend its future.

Today in television newsreels coming from Kyiv you can see protesters in various kinds of helmets and masks on their faces, sometimes with wooden sticks in their hands. Do not believe that these are ?extremists,? ?provocateurs,? or ?right-wing radicals.? My friends and I also now go out protesting dressed this way. In this sense my wife, my daughter, our friends, and I are also ?extremists.? We have no other option: we have to protect our life and health,as well as the life and health of those near and dear to us. Special forces units shoot at us, their snipers kill our friends. The number of protesters killed just on one block in the city?s government quarter is, according to different reports, either 5 or 7. Additionally, dozens of people in Kyiv are missing.

We cannot halt the protests, for this would mean that we agree to live in a country that has been turned into a lifelong prison. The younger generation of Ukrainians, which grew up and matured in the post-Soviet years, organically rejects all forms of dictatorship. If dictatorship wins, Europe must take into account the prospect of a North Korea at its eastern border and, according to various estimates, between 5 and 10 million refugees. I do not want to frighten you.

We now have a revolution of the young. Those in power wage their war first and foremost against them. When darkness falls on Kyiv, unidentified groups of ?people in civilian clothes? roam the city, hunting for the young people, especially those who wear the symbols of the Maidan or the European Union. They kidnap them, take them out into forests, where they are stripped and tortured in fiercely cold weather. For some strange reason the victims of such actions are overwhelmingly young artists?actors, painters, poets. One feels that some strange ?death squadrons? have been released in the country with an assignment to wipe out all that is best in it.

One more characteristic detail: in Kyiv hospitals the police force entraps the wounded protesters; they are kidnapped and (I repeat, we are talking about wounded persons) taken out for interrogation at undisclosed locations. It has become dangerous to turn to a hospital even for random passersby who were grazed by a shard of a police plastic grenade. The medics only gesture helplessly and release the patients to the so-called ?law enforcement.?

To conclude: in Ukraine full-scale crimes against humanity are now being committed, and it is the present government that is responsible for them. If there are any extremists present in this situation, it is the country?s highest leadership that deserves to be labeled as such.

And now turning to your two questions which are traditionally the most difficult for me to answer: I don?t know what will happen next, just as I don?t know what you could now do for us. However, you can disseminate, to the extent your contacts and possibilities allow, this appeal. Also, empathize with us. Think about us. We shall overcome all the same, no matter how hard they rage. The Ukrainian people, without exaggeration, now defend the European values of a free and just society with their own blood. I very much hope that you will appreciate this.



Please sacrifice 3 minutes of your lives and read this. You'll understand what is going on there.. I spent half of this day to talk with other friends and business partners who are THERE in Ukraine, and they all confirmed what is it about [you've read it above]

Sympathy for Ukraine, Freedom and Democracy for Ukraine and SCREW PUTYIN btw... :pimp

Wow! A chilling, fucked up read! :Oh crap

this happens everywhere.. and it's not as simple as 'the good people of western ukraine, vs the evil ones of the eastern'

This is why I own two four wheel drives, stock up food, and the ONLY reason I am armed. If shit ever hits the fan I am heading for the hills just like in Red Dawn.

This is one person opinion and there are 44 milions other opinions in this moment. Flammable expressions and despair coming from this text means nothing and just interpretation of one person. It is silly that there is still someone in Europe that believes in dictatorship theories. This government is legally elected.What would happen in UK,USA or France that someone goes to street and start blocking normal everyday life and attacking police? I can understand your traditional anti Russian view and I know why you don't like them but this is silly. How many different opinions and texts you can also find online with completely different point of view? Amount of protesters is really small compared to city and country size. oh yes, Ive just played quake live with a guy from Kiev, and eveything is fine regarding his opinion.

Where you live? Dictatorship theories: man, I am fucking living next to this country and very similar things do happen here. This is not theory you retarded asshole, but fucking REALITY. Have you read this? :::

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This is NOT the opinion of 1 against 44 million!!! This is a very important letter for the rest of the world so you can see what is going on there. There is no other real aspect, but the aspect of their mafia and Putyin powered president.

Those people are fighting for their own Home, their Country for their Freedom Right Now!!! At This Very Moment!! Just check out CNN BBC or anything: this is fucking real and they shoot protestors in a democratic country.

They just want a new election because of their corrupt government who do deepthroat Putyin's cock... Shame.. :( Everything is written down there, I don't understand why don't you get it...

But I need to know: where do you live? Have you ever been to (eastern)Europe? Do you know ANYTHING about what happened here in this region in the last 100 years? I do know, I live here and I totally sympathize with those brave fellow men and women who go there and Literally Fight For Their Freedom!!!!!

Your insulting of me says enough about you more then propaganda image you pasted above.What is incredible to me is that there are still people in europe that are so easily manipulated with things that most people now are laughing to. And to answer your question: I am your neighbour from Serbia, and not only that I live in eastern europe, and that I were visitng Hungary , Poland, ex Czechoslovakia while they were all under iron curtain and under Russian rule (yeah it was terrible I can agree to that from what I saw) but I was one of those stupid idiots that was fighting against "dictatorship" back in 2000 just like these guys are now doing. If you read my post above, I've mentioned participating in street fights and was giving gas masks to protesters and let them in my home to hide. 14 years later I can say that I was naive, and was precisely there where you are now and your fellows Ukrainians. Let me remind, you it was almost exactly same scenario with heartbreaking stories and reports here like you pasted above.

Since I was polite enough not to insult you like you did to me just for giving different opinion, and I've spent 3 minutes of time to read what you asked, will you do me a favor? Please take a look at video that I've already posted several times.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lpXbA6yZY-8

You can still find online texts about spontaneous rebellion of poor people against dictatorship (just like you are reading now about Ukraine) and compare to what you will see and what is not secret. I've met this guy recently in local bookstore by the way.

I hope you will since it seems that you are really missing some simple things and yet, talking about 100 years history.

Are Ukrainian webcam girls okay?

Hey, sorry for the tough words. Honestly I haven't had the chance to read the full thread, thus I missed your post you mentioned. I was totally sure that you're talking like this because you live in the opposite side of the planet and can't even tell where these countries are located..

The fact that you're a neighbour too and participated in such fights back then confuses me even more... You're most likely right and older than me and have more experience about these things so I withdraw what I've said, and extra kudos for not sending me simply to fuck off.. I am a rebel soul and maybe its just propaganda OR propaganda makes the rebel side look nicer, but I still believe that there are people over there who really just want their gov to cancel what they do in order to make it a living hell for ukranians.. For Europe they are too russian, for russians they are EU-wannabe fucktards... But the average ukranian just wants to live a normal life where they are. Russia fucks around with these countries like mine and Ukraine to strengthen the russian influence [and rebuild Solviet Union??] and i fuckking dislike this idea..

Once again, sorry, will need to 420 right now i am so mad and will watch that video meanwhile.

Btw you say this letter is nothing more than empty propaganda and its all lies?! It's actually hard to believe...

exactly.
Integrating with other countries also causes extreme dissatisfaction of the people. The majority here wants our national currency back. Prices almost went times 2 just a couple of years after the euro was pushed down our throats. Wages ofcourse stayed on the same level. Now the euro is completely fucked because of the world banking cartels who squeeze every penny out of the cattle, so people have even less to spend.
European laws are pushed down our throats. Billions and billions of tax money is going to 'Europe' and nobody sees anything back from it in their own country. Borders open up and now we have, along with the muslim immigrant ghettos which formed a few decades ago, also eastern european ghettos.
We had a great economy when we were on our own. Now it's fucked, because of bankers who loved the idea of a united europe and currency for obvious reasons.

Unfortunately at the moment it seems like that they need to decide to be with EU or be with Russia.. and in that case I would choose EU... I'm from an Eastern EU post communist country and if we wouldn't join EU back many years ago then the corruption will be a lot higher than now.. of course joining the EU meant loosing many privileges and domestic factories etc, but I think we will be still worse without them in the long run..

I like how if you don't lick Russia's balls you're automatically considered pro nazi/polish/nato scum. :thumbsup

check out this English speaking SWAT policeman:

http://coub.com/view/i71b

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Another great pic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BewoCS2CUAA8wuZ.jpg

Sheesh, can't you read? it's pro nazzi!

Big part of eastern Europe already joined EU and it did a lot of good for those countries. And the taxes are the same.

And it really has nothing to do with Obama. The world is a bit more complicated than this.

Not really.

WW2 is over. You can integrate and make business with whoever you want. I prefer EU over Russia for countless reasons. Including WW2 when both Germany and Russia invaded my country. In EU chances for another war are pretty slim.

I'd like to hear of just one example of multiculturalism where it worked out well for the indigenous people.

ofcourse it has nothing to do with Obama, it was a comparison of the state of mind of people, and the end result when the dreams for change will keep on being dreams.

go to Ukraine, try to live for their salary, and go back to Netherlands, get that basic stupid job salary 1200 e/ month and you will see.....

+ lets not forget - pay for a lot of things less in netherlands than in ukraine ;-)
lets not forget about corrupt goverment who doesnt make citizen's life easier...plus many many other cases...and later let me know what u think about it ;-)

they have self government in BC, and are leading the charge at protecting all of Canadas' water.

Good quality stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UwU...e_gdata_player