It's just weird to me how we treat grown men and women like they are children.

Hell, a century ago a 14 year old was pretty much a man. These days? A 34 year old is likely still living with his parents. :1orglaugh

If you are of legal age...old enough to vote, sign legal documents, go die in war...then the govt. shouldn't be telling you that you can't have a drink, or anything else that any other legal adult can do.

Could you imagine the law suits if this were attempted on senior citizens? Age discrimination would be instantly pulled out.

And ironically...a guy who is 20 years old can definitely handle their liquor better than some 70 year old drunk.
Being in bands for all the years I played clubs...we would go in to set up gear in the early afternoon. And there would always be a few OLD guys drinking in the bar during the day. And man they were WASTED. lol

Never said anything contrary to what you just said. READ what I said.

Yes, if you drag race and get caught you go to jail. Guys have been doing that since the first cars were made. And cops have been arresting them.

I'm talking about the law that discriminates against an adult by making a different scale for them on being charged with "DUI"
A .08 is a joke already. But they are charging ADULTS who are 18, 19, and 20 with "DUI" for blowing a .04

You better not have gargled with Listerine and get pulled over if you are an adult under 21 years old!

That was my point. Bieber isn't even on my radar or part of what I was talking about.

Drag racing is just something that a lot of young guys do. I did it. My dad did it. (In Lakeland Fla. is where I did it heh-heh)
Every buddy I had with a fast car in high school did it.

Thank goodness I never got caught.

But if I did...then yes I understand I would have been arrested.

Fuck Bieber. lol

I'm just talking about the discrimination against young adults. :)

Yup. Couldn't agree more.

I do not care.
Why would you guys post shi$ like this??!!
You have too much free time... thought.

I didn't.

I READ what you wrote. There's a reason the law is different for different ages. You might want to look up accident rates for different age groups and then READ what I wrote. He's a novice drinking & driving that was hot rodding a car that expert drivers say is a handful without liqour. ugh, why bother.

Miley Bieber :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The Bieb is a fad that America will look back at in 10 years and shake their heads at. He'll be filthy rich and out of the closet by then. So he don't give a fuck.

Wants to be badass, appears stupid... :1orglaugh

I don't know why you bother either if you aren't even talking about the same thing that I am.

What you're saying isn't relevant to what I said.

Hell, there has never been a street drag race that took place WITHOUT lots of beer and liquor.
As far as being a "novice drinker"...no, he's a jackass. And again, I'm not talking about Bieber for God's sake.

I'm talking about a normal 18, 19, or 20 year old adult man.
He drinks a beer, gets pulled over. He WILL blow that ridiculous .04 and will get charged with DUI.
Effectively ruining his life and costing him a fortune.

My point is that it's discrimination against one age group of adults VS another.

You just think you read what I said. But you are obsessing over Bieber. I'm talking about a discriminatory law.

The most disturbing part of the article-The "Boyfriend" singer wore a black hooded sweatshirt, black leather shorts and red sneakers-

That is like 500 times worse than jean shorts. Fucking black leather shorts and red sneakers??? who dresses this fucking clown?

I'm obsessing over beiber. lol I couldn't care less who it was driving. He's a novice driver, i.e., statistically speaking, the statistics apply and those stats are:

Plenty of world wide research proving younger age males are extremely high risk drivers.

Plenty of research proving a .04 bac = 4-10x more risk of causing an accident.

discrimination? no.

http://mn.gov/commerce/insurance/ima...inking_10k.jpg

The HBD crash rate for 16 to 19-year-old drivers is 1.9 times higher than drivers of all ages.


Teenage Driver Crash Risk Factors
The traffic accident rates for 16- to 19-year old drivers are higher than those for any other age group. What causes teenage drivers to be such risky drivers? The following is a list of their primary risk factors.


Lack of skill
Novice teenage drivers have not yet completely mastered basic vehicle handling skills and safe-driving knowledge they need to drive safely.

Alcohol and drugs
Driving under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs is a common cause of serious crashes, especially fatal ones, involving teenage drivers. Teenagers who drink and drive are at much greater risk of serious crashes than are older drivers with equal concentrations of alcohol in their blood.

Risk Taking
Teenagers tend to take more risks while driving partly due to their overconfidence in their driving abilities. Young novice drivers are more likely to engage in risky behaviors like speeding, tailgating, running red lights, violating traffic signs and signals, making illegal turns, passing dangerously, and failure to yield to pedestrians.

over here we have 0.0 on alcohol while driving

i think it's great, no "i can have one beer" blabla - you either drink OR drive - but not both

Well, at least we can all agree that Beiber is a tool. :)

If you are under 21 in MN and get caught driving with ANY booze in your system, doesnt matter if it is .01, your license is suspended until you are 21. It is called the "Not a Drop" law here. As a kid I would have been fucked. As a parent I like the law. Funny how that works.

Growing up in farm Country we used to do some pretty outrageous shit when we were 17,18,19 while drinking. From jumping trucks to scooping people up with tractor buckets and giving rides. To this day I am still surprised nobody got seriously injured.

Kids and booze don't mix. A kid with a .04 is going to feel a lot more buzzed than say one of us who are more seasoned drinkers.

And Dynamo...an 18, 19, and 20 year old is an adult. The law shouldn't be different for one set of people as opposed to another.

I'd trust a 19 year old behind the wheel ANY day over a 80 year old. Faster reflexes, better vision, hearing etc.

Yes, we act stupid and crazy when we are young. Nothing new there.

Yes, I drove a lot faster when I was 18 than I do now. Nothing new there either.

But to allow the govt. to make laws that discriminate against adults of a certain age?
The only reason they get away with it is because people turn 21 and then don't care anymore.

Bob Dylan was right. "Don't trust anyone over 30" lol

I'm just not getting how saving lives is discrimination.

In 2011, 32 percent of the young drivers (15 to 20 years old) who were killed in crashes had a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of .01 grams per deciliter (g/dL) or higher.

NHTSA estimates that the 21-year-old minimum drinking age laws have reduced traffic fatalities involving 18 to 21 years old by 13% and have saved an estimated 27,677 lives since 1975.

No shit! I look back at the crazy shit I did as a teenager and I wonder how ANY of us survived. lol

As for a .04 feeling "buzzed". No way.
04 isn't even a full beer. It would be .04 if you used Listerine (that sometimes is enough for a .08)

The DUI laws are set ridiculously low to up arrest rates in my humble opinion.

I'm not advocating drinking and driving...but if you live anywhere except a large city that has taxi's...you are going to drink and drive sometimes. It could be as simple as going to dinner and having a couple of cocktails and you will blow over the "limit".

Drunk driving is a very, very bad thing and I'm not talking about that at all. I'm just talking about the methods used to determine DUI. I think that they are set up in a way to pretty much arrest anyone they want to.

Dude, if you think that drinking laws have stopped ANYBODY from drinking...then you are out of touch.
The drinking law was 18 when I was young. I was drinking with my buddies AND driving (because I was young and foolish) by the time I was 15 years old.

Do you and NHTSA really think that young folks on a Saturday night are saying to themselves: "Oh, it's against the law...we better not drink"?

Of course not. If anything I'll bet that more "underage" people are drinking and driving in 2013 than they were in the past.

I'm sure that the NHTSA loves to pat itself on the back and all..but I was once a teenager, and the "law" was the last thing we were thinking about on a Saturday night when we got somebody to buy some booze.

It's always been that way and always will.

Good. Now deport his ass back to Canada and don't let him in. Ever.

I think he was high too

Yeah...I would be more worried about the Syzzurp or whatever they call that codeine cough medicine mix that they drink and the prescription pills he is said to be addicted to.

That can definitely reduce your reflexes and ability to drive way more than a beer and a joint.

The scary part is to think about all the millions of Americans who are addicted to pain killers and sleeping pills who are out there driving the streets every day.
That shit is dangerous as hell.

Robbie, I'm not going by what I think or feel, or remembering what it was like, I'm going by statistics. You're suspicious of anything official, whether it's a law or stats and I get that.


Also, .04 is 2 12oz beers consumed in an hour for a 150lb male, those are official statistics of course, so you're going to take issue with that.

Wait, and you think I'm obsessing over the guy? Come on!

How could anybody be mad at this guy?

http://cdn.novafm.com.au/sites/defau...?itok=XMZ4Rs_r

:1orglaughIf Justin wants to get a look into his future then he should look no further then Leif Garrett :warning

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cY4tC7MDx-...t-b4-after.jpg

Hair today, gone tomorrow :1orglaugh

as if there was any doubt about that :winkwink:

sorry guys that was me racing bieber. i won

On behalf of all Canadians, you are welcome US !! Keep him as long as you like :thumbsup

I could not agree more with all of what you just said.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/05a21edc2...94no1_1280.jpg

Video of the little fag in court

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...-1226809079341

I do not agree with that. I live in what use to be a small town and the cops are pricks. The last thing you do is have a drink and go drive if you are not 21.
I can remember so many times we would be stuck because nobody would drive. Or even more my phone ringing because they needed a driver.
There is no law that everyone listens to but they all help even if it is 5% of people

I read that wrong LOL, They still drank but did not drive so nevermind :)

I gotta call bullshit on the DUI arrest of the Biebs. Half of the in custody pics look a lot like PR pics. I got 5 on it that he drops a 'gangsta rap' album within the next 60 days.

I'll say this much...if I had Biebers money and fame, I wouldn't be driving at all.

I'd be in the back of a big ass limousine with that hot model, a bottle of liquor, and whatever recreational drugs I desired.

I can't quite figure out why some of these "stars" feel the need to get behind the wheel EVER. Sober or not.

Prick...´
Kids with alot of $$... No brains

youre not 19 like bieber. you didnt have millions in your pocket when you were 19 like beiber. what were you doing at 19 ???? what 19 year old dont like to screw around. cant put the kid down because you wish you were doing what biebers doing. i'd trade spots with him in a heartbeat an so would you !!!! deny you wouldnt an ill call bullshit.

If I were 19 with 100+ million, I would have been driving those cars and doing the same dumb shit.

That's what I'm saying...IF I were 19 and had Biebers money and fame I would never drive myself anywhere. I'd hire people for that and live large.