For the moment the only thing that needs changing is Ruben and for the Femjoy/Joymii stuff to be more friendly to the affiliates...

They used to have a rule - you could only use a handful of FHGs at a time per site. They abandoned this rule before Joymii launched. They let affiliates put up as many FHGs as they wanted. Any overexposure or saturation is the fault of FemjoyCash.

They need to do is go back to this rule and then suspend only the affiliates who abuse it.

And then get rid of their user uploaded tube channels.

Problem solved.

No advice on how to tailor your clicks to convert their sites better? Advice on best converting FHG's? Something helpful?

You are correct, and management is aware of the responses, but sound like we got Aspergers.

Ruben is doing the best he can with company mandate and official docs. He's just trying to do his job, but getting shit from all direction from being inundated with affiliate requests, and company statements he can't stray too much from. We're never in our best form when we got a hundred emails to answer all at once. :)

He will earn your respect in time as he grows into the position and is given more authority.

If you're promoting met-art, hegre, etc, and they are performing better for you, perhaps there is something we can both learn from what is working, or IF IT IS BETTER USE OF YOUR ENERGY, PROMOTE SOMETHING ELSE. It's a business decision we want our affiliates to make.

As Mister Peabody suggested, try ErosExotica if Femjoy isn't working for you. His site is great! When I worked for Shap, we were very happy promoting ErosExotica.

Or perhaps try our new partnership: www.NuTaBu.com - it's like an edgy, naughty Joymii. We are helping manage it, but you will be dealing mostly with the owner of the site: Vincent. You can sign up for the program here:
http://www.nutabu.com/site/webmasters

and log into your account at http://cash.femjoy.com for all the promo content.

Not in this email...

What's your website? Ruben might not have time to provide suggestions, but I could have a look.

[QUOTE=Femjoy Michael;19956599]getting shit from all direction from being inundated with affiliate [QUOTE]

This is GFY :)

[QUOTE=adultmobile;19956963][QUOTE=Femjoy Michael;19956599]getting shit from all direction from being inundated with affiliate Maybe a little out of touch with reality?

It's nice to know how sponsors really feel about us bothersome affiliates.

:321GFY Femjoy!

Everybody pull your links and watch them close up soon. Then Ruben may learn a little humility when he is unemployed.

Michael, first of all , Ruben contacted me. I've never sent any email to Femjoy Affiliate Department, all I need I can get from the webmasters area.

Second thing, you can that that if I brought 15000 clicked traffic from Femjoy Galleries listed on my site , I'm hammering the bandwidth and do more harm than good ....

It's not the business decisions you want affiliates to make but rather you're forcing affiliates to make the decision to promote something else.

Tell me, what is wrong with me as an affiliate to put a gallery from Femjoy every week on my blog? Do you think your content will get over saturated ? What about all the videos you have on the big tubes? Aren't they over saturating the brand? Do send email to Youporn (or other tubes) and say "try promoting someone else because your conversion rate is below our standard" ?

50 underappreciated Femjoy/Joymii webmasters

I think I saw this product before .... anyway for the moment I'm waiting for a response from Ruben

It's the first program I've ever heard that recommends their affiliates to move to other sponsors since they are oversaturating their brand with a few pictures every week. :1orglaugh

It's not the small affiliates that are oversaturating the adult industry it's the tubes that they seem to embrace. :2 cents:

:thumbsup

It's at least free advertising/branding if an affiliate promotes something and doesn't send sales. If a program thinks that they are oversaturating, then just make your promo tools shorter/lower quality/less tools/rotating/work on your landing pages/research why you aren't selling/etc....

I received this email from Ruben a few days ago?.

*******
Hello,

My name is Ruben from femjoy.com and joymii.com and I am your new affiliate administrator!

I notice that you have made just a few sales in the last few months and we?d like to see that increase. What can we do to help? We have a bunch of resources for you so I?m here to help.

If I do not hear back from you by next week, we?ll assume you?re no longer interested in promoting, and will close your affiliate account with us. You can re-open it in the future if you chose to start promotion again.

Best regards,

Ruben Salcedo
Affiliate administrator
femjoy.com // joymii.Hello,
*******


Seems to me that maybe Femjoy is sending out this email hoping to close smaller, older affiliate accounts by catching affiliates off guard. Nice way to collect the full sale amount and have an excuse. "?.buy you never replied"


Seriously this is how you treat affiliates?

"...we?ll assume you?re no longer interested in promoting"
How can you assume anything?

Oh and as for my past experience with Femjoy Michael, spineless, powerless and worthless. Just a token figure head that sold himself to Femjoy as being able "talk to the affiliates"


Pulling links?..who would like to take their place?

This was dealt with in the other 3 threads on this topic. The wording could have been better. Your rebills are safe. And only affiliates who have sent ZERO new sales within the last 6 months, were notified this way. If you are sending us 50k uniques and still not getting a sale, we don't think that is fair to YOU. The likelihood that after we close your account, and your active links send us a sale, is highly unlikely based on past performance right?

We empathize. Please understand, Ruben and I are still just employees. This is a management decision.
Ruben is underserving of any anger or aggression unless it relates specifically to dereliction of duties. Don't hate the man. Hate the company. Management is reading every post here and listening. It must be weighed against a whole set of other factors.

Lets be clear here?.

Ruben's email said NOTHING about "rebills being safe" or "zero sales". It said "few sales"

As you said "The wording could have been better" damn straight it could have been. Look at the shit storm it's produced.

I hope that management is reading these threads so they will understand why sales have dropped off so much in the next few months.



With all that said I owe you an apology for mixing you up with another Michael from Twistys past.

I was incorrect and have not worked with Femjoy Michael in the past.

Please except my apology

Wrong. Conversion ratios can swing dramatically with changes in search engine rankings. Pages that Google, Yahoo or Bing love today and are in top 10 positions for good keywords may drop to page 10 tomorrow and vice versa.

Femjoy / Joymii is very short sighted and alienating webmasters with these foolish decisions. Rather than blaming affiliates, they should be focusing on improving products, features, tours, landing pages, banners, galleries, other promo materials, etc.

Just for the information of other webmasters in the same situation, I heard today from Ruben and he basically is not happy that I only made one sale in the last six months and that I am not currently updating the website.

I don't hide that I work on this part time, my last blog update was in 2012 but I have valuable traffic (2000k a day), and proof of traffic quality is that I made a sale in the last months for Femjoy and a couple of other sales for other programs while I work in my other real business.

"Nonetheless, if you are committed to turning things around, I would be happy to work with you. This would mean committing to, and delivering on, a plan to improve your sales. If all things considered you'd rather part amiably, that's ok too."

Summing up the situation, if you don't plan on updating your sites, or there is the risk that one day you will not update any longer you will be better off applying for a different program.

Makes it sound like this is your fault that they arn't converting. :error

@Michael I'm writing you an e-mail, I can not believe this Ruben's rudeness in another follow up mail

I wasn't rude to him, didn't come on GFY to make drama when I received that first e-mail, although I was furious, but now this, it's unacceptable

that's funny, since in a Femjoy e-mail from Oct 30, 2013 (http://ymlp.com/zZuJxT) says the following

to me that seems a realistic example, Ruben's "1:5000 sucks", does not, it's not the year 2007

I like Femjoy, but this Ruben or what he is made to do, is quickly ruining their image

have him do something useful like get down pirated content on filehosts, torrens and tubes

if the embedded videos are costing you too much money in bandwidth dive into your statistics see which domains are using up a lot of views and never send sales, probably one of those tube sites with 15 ads, from the traffic networks, around the video and no banners to Femjoy

I doubt I have got any new sales in the last 6 months but sent a ton before that many of which still rebill. Would you please clarify that rebills such as mine are safe or does one need to send X number of sales within X number of days to keep getting paid for rebills?

btw that doesn't apply to me and I still got that mail from Ruben

1:5000 is unacceptable.

However, 1:1000 is very realistic with similar "lesser" sites and the same traffic.

Like I said earlier, they need to limit how much of their content can be given away per affiliate site, how many samples they make available to affiliates and refrain from helping using user uploaded tubes lure SE traffic away from affiliate sites.

I guess those sites don't have much of a piracy problem

And I just made a Joymii sale.

That brings me down to 1:1124 for the last 6 months.

LOL

Oh, I'm sure it is proportionately the same.

What they certainly don't have is lengthy clips on tube channels.

When a surfer does a search for Femjoy or Joymii samples that will sway him into becoming a buyer, he is more likely to end up at a FemjoyCash tube channel and not an affiliate site.

Get rid of the channels and affiliates with have better conversion rates.

Femjoy has been very clear that they don't want webmnasters to waste their traffic on their program unless they make sales and and update their sites.

To help Femjoy and webmasters, I am adding a few CCBill sponsors similar to them where not having sales will not have you removed from the program:

• EvasGarden

• MC-Nudes

• PhotoDromm

lol EvasGarden has been offline for a while now

I wasn't aware of this obviously, I checked the website and I saw it down but I thought it was a temporary glitch. I have some link erasing to do...

Thank you for the warning TheMaster

no problem, think they've been down for months

of course no warning from them

this thread is pretty epic

The sponsor controls the content, the tours, the prejoin pages, the join pages/biller selections and yet they are giving affiliates shit for not selling.

I don't promote these fuckwads.

I bet they are ALIENS!
Aliens control everything....

1. I though Michael was somehow more in the upper management and maybe having the powers to take some decisions.

2. I don't see how, for the upper management/owner of the Femjoy/Joymii program is a bad thing that an affiliate like me sends decent traffic from legal content (pics) can affect their brand?

3. The same traffic, from the same blog , converts to programs like watch4beauty and met-art at a rate 1:2500 - 1:3000 .

4. The content I receive via newsletters is about 2 - 3 years old. I've given at least one example of this. It seems that Michael and Ruben keep avoiding addressing this issue.

5. The problem is not pulling links but also the content because If I don't have a legal affiliate agreement with Femjoy/Joymii and I have content on my site that I might get a DMCA complaint.

6. It seems that Femjoy/Joymii just wants to take all the money from smaller affiliates. Let's say you still have re-bills but have not sent a new in the past few months - they terminate the account and keep the money.
If they do this to let's say 1000 affiliates and each one brings around $20 in rebills , that's $20000 from a single email without doing too much...

Quick example of old content:

Right now, Jan 28, 2014 on the first page of Femjoy there is a video "Josephine - Private Time" that is listed on January 18 , 2014.

My blog is all about pics - no videos - and Josephine is one of my favorite models from Femjoy because of her nice round boobs.

I click on the model to see more set cards: http://femjoy.com/models/josephine

Scroll down and you'll see that the photos for "Josephine - Private Time" was released on January 12 , 2013 THAT IS MORE THAN A YEAR AGO !

It's hard to believe that you took the photos a year ago and the video just a few days ago.

I think that a surfer/possible buyer will quickly realize that the content is old. I don't have an account with them but If I had one a year ago and keep visiting the site weekly for updates I would realize quickly that there is little new content.

Just my opinion...

My opinion, and I have told this to Ruben in my last email, is that Femjoy should suspend all webmasters giving away too much content for free, these people are hurting everybody, Femjoy, and other affiliates sales.

I have also PM michael one website giving Femjoy downloads for free and I am pretty certain that if I were about to buy a membership and I came across that site I would change my mind and download it for free.

I fully support giving free SAMPLES, but full videos and full high res photos hurts the business. People wanting to see Femjoy models should understand that the only way to do that is by joining the site and right now there is too much stuff around to convince people to pay for it.

And suspending affiliates for no sales or not updating it is just Femjoy way of saying that you have to work on this full time and dedicated to their brand, only somebody stupid would work with a single sponsor and risk having the account suspended or the sponsor going out of business like EvasGarden.

It doesn't seem right they can suspend your account because you only bring a couple sales a year and overlook that you did great part of the work, pay for your domain, hosting, add links and galleries and all the promotion which is the hardest part. Maybe $200 a year is nothing for Femjoy but it is something for me.

But anyway, if they want it this way, so lets be it, just make sure others are aware before signing up.