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lucas131 03-12-2014 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20012380)
Scrubbing is not about shaving, its about simply not allowing transactions that don't conform to higher standards.

For example, I can choose to accept or not accept transaction where:

1) The customer IP country does not match the Billing Address country (usually fraud but people travel and travelers masturbate)
2) The billing address is not correct, or not exactly correct. (people sometimes move and don't update)
3) CVV code is incorrect
4) Surfers country has a higher rate of fraud than I am comfortable with
5) Surfer already made x attempts to join that were unsuccessful for various reasons
6) Surfers address, email or IP is on a blacklist cause they are known to have charged back in the past
7) Surfer is using a card that is either prepaid or does not generally support rebilling

And a few others. All the above filters are great for preventing fraud but can also stop genuine transactions where the surfer is either unlucky or just not real bright. I have personally been stopped from performing genuine transactions by most of them, usually due to drinking or travelling.

That's what I mean when I say scrub. This cannot easily be done on a per affiliate basis using any system I am aware of, changes would be across the board, and with 3rd parties like Epoch it is pretty unlikely though not impossible that there could be custom scrub levels.

Shaving on the other hand is when you take the surfers money and don't credit the affiliate.

I used Epoch as a biller for awhile and during that time had some fraud issues with certain affiliates, Epoch's method of handling that was to disable the individual affiliates involved and leave the scrub level untouched (as far as I could tell) so I doubt there is any custom scrubbing going on, it's just not Epoch's usual method, based on my experience.
good post. this is something that worked before and have been already revealed on gfy. surfer wanted to buy, went to pay gateway, first gate will not let him buy, redirect to other gate, and there i bet it is very easy to not credit the affiliate at other cascade gateway ... this can be one very easy way to not give affiliate credit, and i will look at it very soon on programs that dont looks like they are counting all well :) so, stay tuned :) and thanks again for posting, good info! :thumbsup

NewNick 03-12-2014 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20012596)
you are who, lol? reallyusefulcash mother? looks like you are the one looking for some drama fight, calm down boy, i know weekend is far, but calm down ... :upsidedow

No drama.

Just two bit third world fools rub me up the wrong way.

I would close your sad act account if I was JT.

signupdamnit 03-12-2014 09:22 AM
Raws vs uniques are extremely odd. Is there a reason for this on your side? If you can't think of one try to set up some outbound hit tracking where you can track IPs and find out how many uniques you really are sending.

I would go with your gut. No those kind of swings aren't normal. It's somewhat normal for the beginning and end of the month to be better but not like that. After doing this for so long your instincts are likely to be correct. Trust them.

signupdamnit 03-12-2014 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20012625)
No drama.

Just two bit third world fools rub me up the wrong way.

I would close your sad act account if I was JT.
No reason for him to be upset if he is on the up and up.

lucas131 03-12-2014 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20012625)
No drama.

Just two bit third world fools rub me up the wrong way.

I would close your sad act account if I was JT.
because i want to know why i have strange stats and that i never got answer in email, instead of all is good at our side classic? no more words, back to the work, you too :)

NewNick 03-12-2014 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by lucas131 (Post 20012642)
because i want to know why i have strange stats and that i never got answer in email, instead of all is good at our side classic? no more words, back to the work, you too :)

Cause you did.

freecartoonporn 03-12-2014 10:32 AM
very low traffic , cant tell. needs at least 3-4k at todays market. unless its very very taragetted

Fat Panda 03-13-2014 08:54 AM
ruc is clearly assfucking you teencat. dont waste your time promoting such shit

all their videos are on the tubes anyways. no point to promote em

NoWhErE 03-13-2014 09:09 AM
According to your screenshots you're approximately at 7158 hits and 14 sales? (correct me if I'm wrong, I crunched the numbers quickly).

Thats a 1:511 ratio.

How is that bad?


With such low volumes of traffic, Variance comes widly into play. (Variance explained in poker terms)

I know its easy to think the program is cheating you, but honestly, I think this is just a case of your sample size being too small to come to any conclusions yet.

Colmike9 03-13-2014 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 20013996)
According to your screenshots you're approximately at 7158 hits and 14 sales? (correct me if I'm wrong, I crunched the numbers quickly).

Thats a 1:511 ratio.

How is that bad?


With such low volumes of traffic, Variance comes widly into play. (Variance explained in poker terms)

I know its easy to think the program is cheating you, but honestly, I think this is just a case of your sample size being too small to come to any conclusions yet.
I agree with this.

Also, I had a few sales in that period at under 1:1000, 3 sales and 4 rebills yesterday at 1:167 and even got a -1 refund, never seen that before..
Everyone's different, statistics is dumb, like Mark Twain said: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." :upsidedow

lucas131 03-13-2014 09:26 AM
guys, it was new site, the traffic was highly targetted, so you want to tell me all the people waited 40 days to buy membership? come on ... i am pushing mostly new sites, that is my business, and if there is a sale stream, it never stop from day to day for 40 days ... never seen before ... sorry, but i still dont eat that everything is alright ... :2 cents:

lucas131 03-13-2014 09:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 20013996)
According to your screenshots you're approximately at 7158 hits and 14 sales? (correct me if I'm wrong, I crunched the numbers quickly).

Thats a 1:511 ratio.

How is that bad?


With such low volumes of traffic, Variance comes widly into play. (Variance explained in poker terms)

I know its easy to think the program is cheating you, but honestly, I think this is just a case of your sample size being too small to come to any conclusions yet.
i see what you mean, but i am talking that first days it was 1:70, then it went over night to 1:4000 for 40 days ... this is not normal, not with new site ... :2 cents:

3xmedia 03-13-2014 10:01 AM
very strange :warning

mineistaken 03-13-2014 05:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20012380)
1) The customer IP country does not match the Billing Address country (usually fraud but people travel and travelers masturbate)
2) The billing address is not correct, or not exactly correct. (people sometimes move and don't update)
3) CVV code is incorrect
4) Surfers country has a higher rate of fraud than I am comfortable with
5) Surfer already made x attempts to join that were unsuccessful for various reasons
6) Surfers address, email or IP is on a blacklist cause they are known to have charged back in the past
7) Surfer is using a card that is either prepaid or does not generally support rebilling
Well those are natural things, so you were suggesting that they might have turned them off in the begging to make affiliates happy, that was strange suggestion because I really doubt any program would deliberately allow fraudulent subscriptions in order to please affiliates with unearned money :)

mineistaken 03-13-2014 05:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 20013996)
According to your screenshots you're approximately at 7158 hits and 14 sales? (correct me if I'm wrong, I crunched the numbers quickly).

Thats a 1:511 ratio.

How is that bad?


With such low volumes of traffic, Variance comes widly into play. (Variance explained in poker terms)

I know its easy to think the program is cheating you, but honestly, I think this is just a case of your sample size being too small to come to any conclusions yet.
Main point of OP is that coincidentally his two sale bursts were at the beginning and then after he complained. Combine variance and this and you get very small odds that this was coincidence. That is why he is suspicious, naturally.
Again - I am not suggesting that they are cheating, merely saying that odds are very slim for combination of this variance AND timing (at the beginning + after complaining).

Ratio all in all is very good, so it might be not shaving, but on the contrary - gifting sales to please affiliate.

iSpyCams 03-13-2014 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20014572)
Well those are natural things, so you were suggesting that they might have turned them off in the begging to make affiliates happy, that was strange suggestion because I really doubt any program would deliberately allow fraudulent subscriptions in order to please affiliates with unearned money :)
I am not talking about deliberately allowing fraudulent transactions, I am talking about varying levels of scrutiny. If you had spent the last 5 years poring over transaction details as I have you would know that any anti fraud measures also trip up honest customers who just happen to mess something up. There is an inverse relationship between volume and quality that can be hard to manage.

Pretty much any fraud filter is going to raise false flags. If volume is low and quality is decent, you want to make the checkout process as hassle free as possible. As volume increases, so do your risk factors and security measures have to be put in place, even though these will undoubtedly inconvenience and possibly discourage honest customers: at that point it's worth it to lose a few good ones in order to keep the bad ones out.

It's all very subjective and its easy to go too far in either direction. Too loose and you are a playground for carders. Too tight and you are useless to everyone.

The Porn Nerd 03-13-2014 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20014609)
I am not talking about deliberately allowing fraudulent transactions, I am talking about varying levels of scrutiny. If you had spent the last 5 years poring over transaction details as I have you would know that any anti fraud measures also trip up honest customers who just happen to mess something up. There is an inverse relationship between volume and quality that can be hard to manage.

Pretty much any fraud filter is going to raise false flags. If volume is low and quality is decent, you want to make the checkout process as hassle free as possible. As volume increases, so do your risk factors and security measures have to be put in place, even though these will undoubtedly inconvenience and possibly discourage honest customers: at that point it's worth it to lose a few good ones in order to keep the bad ones out.

It's all very subjective and its easy to go too far in either direction. Too loose and you are a playground for carders. Too tight and you are useless to everyone.
The Force is strong in this one.
Balance Jedi, Balance.

:smokin

NoWhErE 03-13-2014 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20014574)
Main point of OP is that coincidentally his two sale bursts were at the beginning and then after he complained. Combine variance and this and you get very small odds that this was coincidence. That is why he is suspicious, naturally.
Again - I am not suggesting that they are cheating, merely saying that odds are very slim for combination of this variance AND timing (at the beginning + after complaining).

Ratio all in all is very good, so it might be not shaving, but on the contrary - gifting sales to please affiliate.
I'll admit its a coincidence and somewhat unlikely - but not entirely unheard of.

His volume is so low and when you look at it at a daily basis, yes it seems odd.

However, when you step back and look at the whole picture, his stats seem quite normal at 1:500.

Its like when you go to a roulette table and BLACK comes up like 15 times in a row. It seems odd and the table looks rigged, however, when you look at the spinning pattern over a larger period of time (lets say a full day), then the odds usually come back to approx 50/50.

I think the sales suddenly coming back when he complained is probably a total fluke.

Also, there are other factors that could possibly come into play such as:

He was ranking for a high converting keyword, dropped for that keyword, but then ranked for another non-converting keyword. Thus getting the same traffic but less conversions.

The site could have just come out on the tubes and the scenes people were looking for were TeenCat's latest updates, so when they landed on his site, they saw the scenes were there and followed through with the purchase. Then as time went on, new updates were put up and suddenly the surfers weren't seeing those specific scenes that would have made them signup.

Could be a few other things, I'm just throwing situations I've seen before out in the wind. I have no clue how he promotes his stuff, so I could be completely wrong.... BUT, I still say his volume is too low to jump to any conclusions.

iSpyCams 03-14-2014 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 20014683)
I'll admit its a coincidence and somewhat unlikely - but not entirely unheard of.

His volume is so low and when you look at it at a daily basis, yes it seems odd.

However, when you step back and look at the whole picture, his stats seem quite normal at 1:500.

Its like when you go to a roulette table and BLACK comes up like 15 times in a row. It seems odd and the table looks rigged, however, when you look at the spinning pattern over a larger period of time (lets say a full day), then the odds usually come back to approx 50/50.

I think the sales suddenly coming back when he complained is probably a total fluke.

Also, there are other factors that could possibly come into play such as:

He was ranking for a high converting keyword, dropped for that keyword, but then ranked for another non-converting keyword. Thus getting the same traffic but less conversions.

The site could have just come out on the tubes and the scenes people were looking for were TeenCat's latest updates, so when they landed on his site, they saw the scenes were there and followed through with the purchase. Then as time went on, new updates were put up and suddenly the surfers weren't seeing those specific scenes that would have made them signup.

Could be a few other things, I'm just throwing situations I've seen before out in the wind. I have no clue how he promotes his stuff, so I could be completely wrong.... BUT, I still say his volume is too low to jump to any conclusions.
Yes whenever analyzing data, the more data the better. The smaller the sample size, the more likely everything is just coincidence.

However: with the exception of the first few sales, that happened towards the end of January, it seems we are seeing more joins around the beginning of each month. I generally notice an increase in credit card approvals around the beginning of each month, I imagine a lot of people get paid monthly or maybe they pay their monthly bills and then they know how much disposable income the have left for luxury items, I don't know but more sales and better conversion/rebills in the first week of each month is normal for me.

Jel 03-14-2014 08:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoWhErE (Post 20014683)

Also, there are other factors that could possibly come into play such as:

He was ranking for a high converting keyword, dropped for that keyword, but then ranked for another non-converting keyword. Thus getting the same traffic but less conversions.

The site could have just come out on the tubes and the scenes people were looking for were TeenCat's latest updates, so when they landed on his site, they saw the scenes were there and followed through with the purchase. Then as time went on, new updates were put up and suddenly the surfers weren't seeing those specific scenes that would have made them signup.

Could be a few other things, I'm just throwing situations I've seen before out in the wind. I have no clue how he promotes his stuff, so I could be completely wrong.... BUT, I still say his volume is too low to jump to any conclusions.
saved me a bunch of typing :thumbsup

WebmastersLegion 04-02-2014 07:06 PM
wich are the ratio of reallyusefulcash sites? i send 350 uniques from Search Engine using targetered kws and get no sales, i know that its low uniques, but want to know if someone know some of the ratio of the sites of ReallyUsefulCAsh.

WebmastersLegion 04-05-2014 01:20 PM
still no sales, cant beliave that ratio are so worst this days...

Total 1,090 430 464 58 0 $0.00 0 0:430 0 $0.00 0 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00

Colmike9 04-05-2014 01:25 PM
Looks fine to me. I haven't touched this in a couple of months, either...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eA5LXweopn...0/rusestat.jpg

signupdamnit 04-05-2014 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 20039404)
Looks fine to me. I haven't touched this in a couple of months, either...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eA5LXweopn...0/rusestat.jpg
But you're an employee or ex-employee of RUC so you should disclose that. What you see isn't necessarily going to be what others see.

signupdamnit 04-05-2014 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WebmastersLegion (Post 20039396)
still no sales, cant beliave that ratio are so worst this days...

Total 1,090 430 464 58 0 $0.00 0 0:430 0 $0.00 0 0 $0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00
That's not a lot of traffic. These days it's not uncommon for paysites to convert 1:3000. Even search engine traffic can be shitty.

WebmastersLegion 04-05-2014 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20039429)
That's not a lot of traffic. These days it's not uncommon for paysites to convert 1:3000. Even search engine traffic can be shitty.
wow, 1:3000 sux then, i remember when get sales with less than 100 uniques :/

Biggy 04-05-2014 06:11 PM
If I had to take a guess, he was adding sales to your account to get you to promote the site hard / enthusiastic about a new site. That way you would see better than real results so you'd push the site harder / keep you happy.

Then he stopped doing it and then he started doing it again when you complained if he knows who you are / what your account is.

This is one plausible situation. The reality is no one will be able to truly know.

Colmike9 04-05-2014 07:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20039426)
But you're an employee or ex-employee of RUC so you should disclose that. What you see isn't necessarily going to be what others see.
True, but I had no advantage at all. They gave me a handful of domains and we pretty much didn't talk about anything else, at least for what I did using Ruseful Cash content..

Plus.. I don't want to sound like a dick, but I don't think there's anyone there right now that even knows how to shave or scrub..
They really are trying to run a legit business, at least from what I've seen, and wouldn't pull shady shit especially since the majority of the money that they make is from other sources/tubes..

bean-aid 04-05-2014 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 20039600)
True, but I had no advantage at all. They gave me a handful of domains and we pretty much didn't talk about anything else, at least for what I did using Ruseful Cash content..

Plus.. I don't want to sound like a dick, but I don't think there's anyone there right now that even knows how to shave or scrub..
They really are trying to run a legit business, at least from what I've seen, and wouldn't pull shady shit especially since the majority of the money that they make is from other sources/tubes..
Doesnt make sense to create a shave system when that is so little of sales.

Doesnt make sense to have sales then just go dry either. I have a site that gets around 400 uniques and for 4 years now, like clockwork, gets approximately the same number of joins per week. Even with others replicating the site and offering it for free.

I dont know...

signupdamnit 04-05-2014 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 20039600)
True, but I had no advantage at all. They gave me a handful of domains and we pretty much didn't talk about anything else, at least for what I did using Ruseful Cash content..

Plus.. I don't want to sound like a dick, but I don't think there's anyone there right now that even knows how to shave or scrub..
They really are trying to run a legit business, at least from what I've seen, and wouldn't pull shady shit especially since the majority of the money that they make is from other sources/tubes..
I got bad vibes from them but I have to admit the stats I have seen from nearly everyone else have been much better than what I typically see with pay sites these days.

Klen 04-06-2014 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 20039600)
True, but I had no advantage at all. They gave me a handful of domains and we pretty much didn't talk about anything else, at least for what I did using Ruseful Cash content..

Plus.. I don't want to sound like a dick, but I don't think there's anyone there right now that even knows how to shave or scrub..
They really are trying to run a legit business, at least from what I've seen, and wouldn't pull shady shit especially since the majority of the money that they make is from other sources/tubes..
I dont run paysite nor affiliate program but i do know dozen of ways to shave.

Colmike9 04-06-2014 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20039636)
I got bad vibes from them but I have to admit the stats I have seen from nearly everyone else have been much better than what I typically see with pay sites these days.
I think people are promoting Fake Hospital wrong.. I mean, people that are really into the doctor fucking his patient fetish aren't really going to be into the whole HD production of it...

Stick with Lesbea, Dane Jones, Fake Agent and Public Agent. :2 cents:

The Porn Nerd 04-06-2014 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 20040014)
I think people are promoting Fake Hospital wrong.. I mean, people that are really into the doctor fucking his patient fetish aren't really going to be into the whole HD production of it...

Stick with Lesbea, Dane Jones, Fake Agent and Public Agent. :2 cents:
They're running out of (profitable) ideas.
The other side of the mountain is near and I don't think they realize it. Yet.

Colmike9 04-06-2014 12:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20040018)
They're running out of (profitable) ideas.
The other side of the mountain is near and I don't think they realize it. Yet.
Should have just stayed quiet and not told everyone publicly exactly what he does for a few reasons.... :2 cents:

All of the paysites have made their investment back, at least..

Ladyboy Inc. 04-06-2014 04:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20040018)
They're running out of (profitable) ideas.
The other side of the mountain is near and I don't think they realize it. Yet.
Plenty of profitable ideas left.

WebmastersLegion 04-17-2014 07:04 PM
well stats still sux

Total 2,271 923 987 341 0
$0.00 0 0:923 0
$0.00 0 0
$0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00

NewNick 04-18-2014 03:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20012625)
No drama.

Just two bit third world fools rub me up the wrong way.

I would close your sad act account if I was JT.
Well it looks like you got what you wanted.

I should get into the psychic business. It seems i have a gift.:1orglaugh

OldJeff 04-18-2014 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20012053)
How does that fraud scrub work? I assume this would be the case of fraudulent affiliates and sales in their accounts. It should not affect honest webmasters because they would not deliver fraudulent sales. Unless you are saying that people in general ten to fraud paysites for memberships, but I doubt that since there would be better ways to utilize fraudulent credit cards than buying porn (which is free).
So not sure why would you "fraud scrub" honest affiliates?
:eyecrazy:eyecrazy And you are allowed to have a paysite, even sign up affiliates :eyecrazy:eyecrazy

WebmastersLegion 05-01-2014 03:07 PM
Still no sales in Reallyuseful Cash! How is taht possible?!?!?

Total 4,148 1,946 1,457 369 0
$0.00 0 0:1946 0
$0.00 0 0
$0.00 0 $0.00 $0.00

Jel 05-01-2014 03:16 PM
in the biz since 2002 and asking 'how its possible' to have 0:1946 in 2014? Are you drunk?


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