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CAHEK 03-23-2014 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Herb Kornfield (Post 20018530)
Putin can posture all he wants.

He does not have the balls to attempt to take on the US if it came down to it. He knows that his ass would get handed to him in a New York minute if he stepped too far by the rest of the world.

The battleground these days is in cyberspace and the finance markets. FAR more effective than bombs long term.

Well US don't have the balls too. They can take Iraq,Afghanistan or whatever small country. But not Russia period. In battleground current this days they try to weak country economic perspective this is the first step.

EddyTheDog 03-23-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CAHEK (Post 20024744)
Well US don't have the balls too. They can take Iraq,Afghanistan or whatever small country. But not Russia period. In battleground current this days they try to weak country economic perspective this is the first step.

Or perhaps they know it could lead to the end of the world if they fight Russia - Its not often you can use that phrase literally...

Lets hope Putin can see that as well....

directfiesta 03-23-2014 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 20024735)
Yup, poor misunderstood Russia. Now the media is reporting that Russia is saying it's troop deployments and movements in Eastern and Southern Ukraine are "merely training exercises".

They have no Russian troops in Easter and Southern Ukraine .
They have troops , on their territory , near the border .... Nothing abnormal there ....

BTW, how many troops do the USA have in the neighborhood, or vessels ... pretty far from home, ain`t it ?

EddyTheDog 03-23-2014 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 20024819)
They have no Russian troops in Easter and Southern Ukraine .
They have troops , on their territory , near the border .... Nothing abnormal there ....

BTW, how many troops do the USA have in the neighborhood, or vessels ... pretty far from home, ain`t it ?

The massive build up on the border of battle ready troops is very abnormal...

Sid70 03-23-2014 04:36 PM

Totally rude and ignorant, the Rooskies have gone nazi ballistic.

CarlosTheGaucho 03-25-2014 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 20024735)
Yup, poor misunderstood Russia. Now the media is reporting that Russia is saying it's troop deployments and movements in Eastern and Southern Ukraine are "merely training exercises".


From the NY Times --
Russia's Shifting of Border Force Stirs U.S. Worry
By MARK LANDLER
The national security adviser, Susan E. Rice, expressed skepticism that troop movements on the border of southern and eastern Ukraine were merely training exercises.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/22/wo...=37692144&_r=0


However, the very next headline in today's NY Times....
As Sanctions Start, Russia Feels a Sting
By STEVEN LEE MYERS and NEIL MacFARQUHAR
With the onset of sanctions, Russia's stock indexes opened sharply lower and agencies threatened to cut the country's creditworthiness, but President Vladimir V. Putin's oligarchs stood by him.

And so it begins. If bullets, or missiles, fly over this, I'm sure it won't be Putin's fault. Right?

My point is merely that this situation is far from black and white, although the media in most cases desperately try to paint it so. It wouldn't have to get to such extreme if West wasn't supporting an illegal coup in Ukraine in the first place. The economical interests of both parts - West and Russia, are now at stake. Which of course brings a conflict.

It's what's been happening over and over again in the past, usually with banana republics - first you try to bribe the current ruler to give you economical advantage, if he doesn't, you may want to try to overthrow him, that's the worst, most dangerous and unpredictable solution though.

Obviously, once the "balanced corruption" from Yanukovitsch got canceled in favor of the party that supported the coup, Russia simply had to react. Now that Putin is out of the bag there will be a whole lot of mess to deal with.

It's not a matter of "democracy" it's a matter of money and influence, the "democracy" tale is just something for the public opinion so they can justify whatever happens next.

This is actually a decent article related to this:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...hinking-russia

directfiesta 03-25-2014 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20024837)
The massive build up on the border of battle ready troops is very abnormal...

.. but fully legal ...

Do you have any idea of the number of ''NATO'' forces being suddenly on '' exercize '' in the Baltic region ????

EddyTheDog 03-25-2014 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 20026660)
.. but fully legal ...

Do you have any idea of the number of ''NATO'' forces being suddenly on '' exercize '' in the Baltic region ????

Of course we are - We have been totally open about that - We are there because Russia are behaving aggressively and are still denying it - What is your point?..

Sid70 03-25-2014 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Herb Kornfield (Post 20018530)
Putin can posture all he wants.

He does not have the balls to attempt to take on the US if it came down to it. He knows that his ass would get handed to him in a New York minute if he stepped too far by the rest of the world.

The battleground these days is in cyberspace and the finance markets. FAR more effective than bombs long term.

http://cdn.gifbay.com/2013/04/meanwh...army-44058.gif

Why 03-25-2014 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herb Kornfield (Post 20018530)
Putin can posture all he wants.

He does not have the balls to attempt to take on the US if it came down to it. He knows that his ass would get handed to him in a New York minute if he stepped too far by the rest of the world.

The battleground these days is in cyberspace and the finance markets. FAR more effective than bombs long term.

quoted for truth, the US Navy could crush Russia's military singularly, without the other arms of the US military complex. along with the fact that most of russias neighbors would rather be friends with the US then Russia, given a choice.

directfiesta 03-26-2014 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20026670)
Of course we are - We have been totally open about that - We are there because Russia are behaving aggressively and are still denying it - What is your point?..

trolling ...???? or just plain dumb ????

Nato ( The US ) has been poking the bear for years since the collapse of USSR, going in ex-satellites countries with military based , deployment of missiles, etc ....

You cannot remember Cuba when the USSR deployed missiles ... but you should know how the USA felt and reacted .

ZiggiZiggiCrew 03-26-2014 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Why (Post 20026971)
quoted for truth, the US Navy could crush Russia's military singularly, without the other arms of the US military complex. along with the fact that most of russias neighbors would rather be friends with the US then Russia, given a choice.

:winkwink:
http://www.otvisay.ru/uploads/posts/...fevralya_1.jpg

CDSmith 03-26-2014 08:25 AM

Russia just got kicked out of the G8.

They've been a member of it for about 20 years now, ever since they "took down that wall" and joined the rest of the world as a friend. Sad to see them reverting to their old ways.

Does putin plan to reunite the USSR by force and this is merely the first step? At any rate what a thing to pull right after the Olympics. He had some pretty high good will built up there for his fifty billion investment, and a few weeks later it's all kaput.

_Richard_ 03-26-2014 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 20028392)
He had some pretty high good will built up there for his fifty billion investment, and a few weeks later it's all kaput.

yes, strange..

CAHEK 03-26-2014 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Why (Post 20026971)
quoted for truth, the US Navy could crush Russia's military singularly, without the other arms of the US military complex. along with the fact that most of russias neighbors would rather be friends with the US then Russia, given a choice.

The only other option for Russia would be nukes, which the MAD theory takes care of anyway (they still have enough warheads to nuke the whole planet several times).

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