It's always weird when I hear Americans pronounce web words that I've always said Britishly

*tyuuuubes*

Nice ad for free porn.

Who does not know them anyway?

Ummm...

It's always weird when folks say they hear it when someone actually typed it. :1orglaugh

toooooooooooobessssssssssss

I'm sure there are plenty of people that don't know about them. I have several friends that don't look at porn very often so they would simply type whatever they looking for into Google. That might lead them to a tube site, but if they were watching this piece they might say, "Oh, Pornhub is the biggest free site in the world. I need to check that out." or, "All of that girl's scenes are online for free? I'm going to go searching."

Not to mention they flashed the tube logos several times so users know it when they get to the right place... what was the names of the studios mentioned? The performers websites? Oh wait... they didn't. Oh yeah they did... the ones owned by mindgeek that's right.

Fishbein, sounds better on camera:2 cents: :winkwink:

There IS no "bad" publicity, just remember that.

Nail on the head. :2 cents: Nice nod to Nate too. It's funny in a fucked way people complain about Nate's business while the backhandedly slap the back of the bro club. Sleazy and stupid.

oh vey. :1orglaugh

Yeah I noticed that too. Fuck.

It's funny a few months before I sold I went to Allison's (pink visual) content retreat. There were a lot of great ideas and feedback I got from there that I was going to implement. It felt like the solution was there and very viable. I felt like the rise could be turned and then I sold and it seems that all died. The lawsuits died, the fighting died. Am I wrong? Seems like everyone gave up.

Corbin fisher's lawyer is a ruthless bastard going after the guilty and non guilty. Why didn't anyone do that in the straight market? Or did they and lose?

Also from a personal standpoint I've hit a time in my life where I'd welcome there being no free porn. My kids will soon be at an age where what they see online will be a concern. Ironically I feel the industry is at that same point. It's done free and is ready to be back behind a paywall. Sadly won't happen

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Be good if some real investigative journalists looked into the issues raised, or even some adult industry journalists. AVN? X-Biz? I guess Fishbein is the last investigative reporter they could find (how many years ago did Theo take over from Paul?).

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Curious to see what Mike South has to say...should be interesting. :uhoh

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ADG

How much do you think mindgeek paid ABC for that 7 minute ad?

I just wonder where it all ends? I think eventually all of the biggest pay sites will become tube sites themselves and switch to a "premium subscription" business model just like the biggest tube sites are already doing.

tube sites are not the problem... the problem is people hiding behind 'community' protection and having the whole DMCA provide them with a free pass to use whatever they like for at least a couple of days...

I'm all for people posting opinions on the internet, freedom of speech and all, but uploading content one doesn't own has nothing to do with that. I'l say put an end to the unanimous posting of things, if you want to post content somewhere you will have to proof you have the rights to, or at least be traceable when it turns out it isn't.

Well made reporting.

I do believe we are all still waiting on results from the last "investigation". MediaRevenue shit just got swept under the rug.

Naw. I think it will happen, sir. Steps are moving in the right direction. It may take a little time... Just read the news about simultaneous steps taken in EU, US and here in Asia.

It won't happen from within the porn biz. That's the last place. Probably the Motion Picture people (and associates like Universal's j-mafia arm) will fund it. Disney alone is expecting to make $28 BILLION in 2016. They are making more than $20 BILLION this year. These things move slow cause lawyers looking at billable hours are involved. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I believe they are changing the way they will prevent people from seeing porn. So kids won't see it but it will still be free for those who want to see it. Which will mean less eyeballs but no more $$ for anyone.

The gap between haves and have nots is growing which is bad, very bad. I'm starting to wonder when will content stop being produced? Id love to see a graph of scenes produced per year over the past 10 years. Or money spent per year on content. I'm sure it's dropping and probably dropping more and more.

You are right about the gap widening that is for sure. Now there is rioting in several EU countries and mounting pressures inside China...and other places.

I live next to a military base in Japan. It gets noisier and noisier as each days passes, cargo, fighter jets popping the sound barrier. Used to be so quiet....just 5 months ago.

VISA and MC etc will have to step in but I don't see them shortening their profit margins anytime soon.

Ever read the book, Blade Runner by William S. Burroughs? About a time when doctors and medicine were outlawed so people were paid to mule surgical instruments and medicine to the sick. He must have lifted the title from PK Dick.

I think if gap continues world will explode. Humans at least. At that point I guess porn will be irrelevant.
If your kids grew up in a world without commercial porn I would not be sad for them or you. Maybe its good.

I've started shooting other content and content for hire. Working in different genres. I don't see the sense anymore in shooting a scene, going to expense and trouble and having it pirated within hours of uploading. Kicker is, this board is filled with upload monkeys now.

DMCA is the only thing that would be a game changer and it would be a MASSIVE game changer!

While I agree to a certain extent, the problem is that these laws are typically crafted by people with little to no experience about the problem they are writing it for -- and then you have the lobby factor providing assistance, guidance and input on how to craft it. The DMCA is a perfect example of this -- a good law in theory, a completely exploitable one in practice.

Worse, it's been exploited for years, and everyone knows its flaws and yet it has not been amended to close the holes. With Google a big lobbyist for safe harbor with YouTube, I don't see it getting closed anytime soon.

everyone cries that porn only behind a paywall can't be done while Germany has that for 10 years now

only problem is that not all the other countries follow

for some odd reason western countries aren't following germany's lead with regulated censorship. I can't imagine why... ;)

lol - how about coming up with a real reason why hardcore porn only behind a paywall would be bad instead of cheap shots?

Germany and other countries who do such things ought to block all foreign sites not meeting the regulations on German ISPs. That would actually put some teeth into it. Sure some would know how to get around it but 90% won't. Just making it illegal for domestic sites does little to nothing.

Sure gave out the names to all the top places to get free stolen porn but then glazed right over the issues of why its still up. Also pointing the finger at just mindgeek is stupid. Never even mentioned the file lockers and they are a bigger problem.

that is exactly the problem with it - it should be everywhere or nowhere. and you only solve that through working with Visa and Mastercard

yeah, I'm pissed at not being able to watch hardcore porn for free, 24/7, on numerous channels on my tv set - I'm pretty sure there are people who would like to broadcast that, but they're not allowed. It's complete censorship, and trampling all over free expression/free speech.

No unwrapped hardcore porn mags all on the middle shelf at my local newsagent/supermarket either - why the fuck not? That's high enough that only the curious 10 year olds and above would see it it, and not stumble on it by accident.

/sarcasm

The whole 'oh noes, that's censorship!' argument is a crock of shit :2 cents:

The main piece and point (being this for mainstream TV) really it is to show naked girls saying "we work so HARD and... [we end up working too cheap for the same people who pirate our own material]"... while viewers it can mostly laugh at what working hard it means for a pornstar. About showing logos of Mindgeek tubes (and twistys etc.) rather than anyone else... that's innocent I think: the tv journalists asked around and everyone told about MindGeek, so what do you expect - also they surely seen the pornhub logo in don Jon movie.

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you really think there is one person on the planet who is not aware o pornhub? really?

It's already been years since I've been saying this.

so is the false motive of 'i'm worried for the children' webmasters who don't make money with tube sites hide behind. You all had sites up without warning pages before tube sites, still do probably and NOW its a problem? please... Adult sites are all blocked with proper protective software just like they have been for years. Parents not using those or monitoring what their children are watching is neglect pure and simple.

This "protect the kids" mantra annoys me because there is a very simple solution.

All the government need to do is create a separate network for kids that's heavily regulated and only has websites that are suitable for children.

Problem solved!

I don't think it's a bad idea, I just don't see how it can be enforced. Compare it to when people were really pushing avs back in the old days. The idea sounded awesome, but people with free sites and tgp's wouldn't change then so a lot of people ditched it so they could still compete. Is this any different?

From http://www.mikesouth.com

By Mike South
April 14th, 2014

“How Much Did MindGeek Pay ABC News For That 15 Minute Ad For Their Tube Sites?”

That is what my friend Danny asked after viewing the segment on “Nightline”. His second comment was that he wanted to “go to Pornhub and Check out that Tasha Reign chick.”

A little background info is in order here. I was contacted by Alex Waterfield, Producer for ABC News Nightline about two months ago. He said he wanted to do a piece on how piracy has devastated what was once thought to be an economy proof business. He said that he was having a problem getting anyone to “go on the record about a company called MindGeek”. We had a lengthy chat and I outlined the brief history of MindGeek, going all the way back to hahahahahahaha Yousef, Matt Keez and Stefane Manos, the origins of Mansef/Manwin and the International Money Laundering charges.

He made the statement that he couldn’t understand why nobody had ever done a story on how Manwin/MindGeek has decimated the industry almost single handedly (and they still haven’t, hint Alex…You guys might want to take some lessons from Charlie Gasperino over at Fox Business news….He gets it…) ) and asked me if I would appear on camera. I agreed to do so. He also asked me for the names of some people who have been affected by Manwin/Mindgeek in particular who would be willing to tell their story on Nightline. Waterfield never even bothered to contact any of them to my knowledge.

I hooked him up with several, including Nate Glass, whom he had already been in contact with. He assured me that he wanted to tell an honest story and that this wasn’t going to be a T&A segment.

Over the course of the next month I gave him the full history on Mansef/Manwin/MindGeek, including all the websites they own and all the companies that they bought.

I explained the Colbeck Capital/Fortress Investment Group financing, told him who the people in charge at Manwin/MindGeek are, including Feras Antoon and David Tassillo. I also gave him the story on Fabian and NATS and Fabians rise and fall from power.

So given all of that info, the piece that they did was little more than “Cotton candy” Journalism. There was little substance to speak of and in the end they were more interested in the porn chick talking about how she would always be naked if she could be than they were in Nate’s attempt to explain the breadth and depth of the piracy problem.

They even dug up Paul Fishbein for God’s sake and most would argue that he is as responsible for Manwins predatory take over as anyone. Fish had a deer in the headlights look and his statement was bout on par with the South Park teache who says “Drugs are bad, mmmmmkay” If Fish had anything of substance to say ABC left it on the cutting room floor.

Watching this made me glad they didn’t make the trip to Atlanta to film me for this piece because I am sure that I would have been edited in the same manner.

In the end it was just an excuse to put half of Adella’s client roster, half dressed on Nightline and tell the world where they can watch them have sex without having to join a site or pay for anything. The only one of Adella’s clients that was noticeably left out was AVN, likely because it is pretty obvious that Manwin/MindGeek is calling the shots over there…..

Damn shame……Makes me wonder if all of “Nightlines” pieces are as poorly presented…..Yes that was rhetorical.