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suesheboy 04-21-2014 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 20056859)
The weird truth of the matter is, with Obama as the President (or ANY Democrat for that matter), the Republicans are getting much more of what they want as the party of "No" then they could have ever accomplished if they were actually in charge.

Obama has overcompensated by leaning waaaaay too far right, in order to not be considered a commie/socialist, etc.

He didn't regulate the banks enough, or Wall Street, or Big Oil, or Big Pharma, or Big Agriculture.

He didn't force infrastructure hard enough.

He hasn't weakened the anti-freedom Patriot Act.

His recovery budget was nowhere big enough to get the job done faster.

He implemented Bob Dole's conservative healthcare plan, instead of single payer, etc.

If a Republican came into office instead of Obama, the conservative Republicans would have done what they always do - skyrocket the debt - start idiotic wars - cut taxes on those who should be paying more, etc.

The Democrats would have never allowed DoleCare or RomneyCare to become law, but since a Democrat was elected, all sorts of shitty Republican right-wing crap has gone through, or at least has not been challenged.

Part of me wonders if another Republican president might just be what this country needs, to put the final nail in the coffin of the Republican party.

Imagine in 2016 we elect a Republican and right off the bat we get into another war. It will be game-over for the GOP.

What do Republicans even stand for? No abortion - religion should be taught in schools - corporations shouldn't have to pay taxes - unions should be abolished - there shouldn't be any minimum wage - polluters should be allowed to shit in your water - world problems can be solved by war, etc.

What an idiotic and ridiculous party platform. Sadly half the voters are so fucking stupid, that they still vote against their own best interests every time. PATHETIC.

Smartest post in this whole tread.:thumbsup:thumbsup

OldJeff 04-21-2014 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20056865)
He is owned by the exact same people who own all of his competitors.

ding ding ding we have a winner

TurboAngel 04-21-2014 04:39 AM

I can't stand him.

Barry-xlovecam 04-21-2014 07:01 AM

Obama?

I make more money and pay more taxes => economically a net gain ++.

My health insurance is very expensive but with a pre-existing condition I have been able to get the medical care and surgeries I needed => I am not dead ++.

Harassment enforcement of the Republican authored USC 18 §2257 has ceased, lightening the anal recordkeeping burdens of being in the adult webcam business ++

We are exiting the ''terrorist wars'' in the middle east ++

I am more concerned in 2016 if it will be two steps forward and one step back.

Overall, Obama has done good by me.


signupdamnit 04-21-2014 07:06 AM

7.0 / 10.0

In the USA many people (including Americans) do not understand this but the president is primarily just a figurehead. It's congress who makes the laws. I think he's done fairly well with the power he has (not much) but he should have stood up more to the Right as opposed to going along with them in the hope that they will compromise when they mostly will not.

DAMNMAN 04-21-2014 08:21 AM

just another corporate puppet.

Even though, I had hoped for more out of him. Not nearly as bad as GW Bush though.

dyna mo 04-21-2014 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20057279)
7.0 / 10.0

In the USA many people (including Americans) do not understand this but the president is primarily just a figurehead. It's congress who makes the laws. I think he's done fairly well with the power he has (not much) but he should have stood up more to the Right as opposed to going along with them in the hope that they will compromise when they mostly will not.

stop talking about shit you know nothing about and certainly knock it off with the "many people don't understand" bullshit since you are clearly one of them.

DWB 04-21-2014 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20056865)
He is owned by the exact same people who own all of his competitors.

That is pretty much all that needs to be said.

2MuchMark 04-21-2014 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20056858)
Wow. You seemed a bit dumb, but this generalization shows that you are actually that much stupid. I mean yes, there are more republicans that hate blacks than democrats, but that is not even close to what you just spewed :1orglaugh
Moronicy level: 10/10

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20056876)
wow, you have a fucked up view.

Lol... chill dudes... of course not all republicans are racist, and I'm sure there are lots of racist democrats too... I'm only fanning the flames... stirring the pot... tweaking the nipples etc of GFY'ers today.

peace.

dyna mo 04-21-2014 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20057365)
Lol... chill dudes... of course not all republicans are racist, and I'm sure there are lots of racist democrats too... I'm only fanning the flames... stirring the pot... tweaking the nipples etc of GFY'ers today.

peace.

I think it's those toxic fumes you inhaled in yer avatar pic.

signupdamnit 04-21-2014 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20057337)
stop talking about shit you know nothing about and certainly knock it off with the "many people don't understand" bullshit since you are clearly one of them.

I see I angered someone. Yes it's true. Most Americans do not understand that the president has very little power. Congress actually makes the laws. Yet you hear people go on and on and on about the president. Sadly most Americans don't vote unless it's a Presidential election. They do not realize that Congress is mostly responsible.

dyna mo 04-21-2014 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20057376)
I see I angered someone. Yes it's true. Most Americans do not understand that the president has very little power. Congress actually makes the laws. Yet you hear people go on and on and on about the president. Sadly most Americans don't vote unless it's a Presidential election. They do not realize that Congress is mostly responsible.

I'm not angry at all. You give yourself way too much credit, like your previous post. and you keep yapping your nonsense

But again, knock it off with the bullshit, you have absolutely no idea what you are typing out.

MaDalton 04-21-2014 09:21 AM

the top 5 of the oil industry make about 120+ billion $ in profits per year while receiving up to 52 billion $ in subsidies annually

makes you wonder who the real leeches are

(disclaimer: i also don't condone people playing the system for their benefit without making an effort)

brassmonkey 04-21-2014 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz (Post 20056638)
I read a lot in your media/bb he's weak and very inefficient
Just curious how do you feel about your president and his 'changes'

you better worry about your own shit crashing down on you. :2 cents::2 cents: hows your leader handling his shit? he packed his shit yet?? :Oh crap :helpme

signupdamnit 04-21-2014 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20057383)
I'm not angry at all. You give yourself way too much credit, like your previous post. and you keep yapping your nonsense

But again, knock it off with the bullshit, you have absolutely no idea what you are typing out.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separa...s_and_balances

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Legislative

Writes and enacts laws
Enacts taxes, authorizes borrowing, and sets the budget
Has sole power to declare war
May start investigations, especially against the executive branch
he Senate considers presidential appointments of judges and executive department heads
The Senate ratifies treaties
The House of Representatives may impeach, and the Senate may remove, executive and judicial officers
Sets up federal courts except the Supreme Court, and sets the number of justices on the Supreme Court
May override presidential vetoes
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Executive

May veto laws
Wages war at the direction of Congress (Congress makes the rules for the military)
Makes decrees or declarations (for example, declaring a state of emergency) and promulgates lawful regulations and executive orders
Influences other branches of its agenda with the State of the Union address.
Appoints judges and executive department heads
Has power to grant pardons to convicted persons, except in cases of impeachment

mikesouth 04-21-2014 10:03 AM

In my experience the country runs best with a republican house a near split senate and a democratic president.

the conflict keeps spending a little lower (admittedly not enough) and the democratic president seems less interested in what i do in the privacy of my own home.

crockett 04-21-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20057391)
the top 5 of the oil industry make about 120+ billion $ in profits per year while receiving up to 52 billion $ in subsidies annually

makes you wonder who the real leeches are

(disclaimer: i also don't condone people playing the system for their benefit without making an effort)

You also have to love that a big deal is made about a rancher whom supposedly owed 1 million to the BLM to let 500 to 1k cows graze. Yet that very same BLM just leased land to 6 oil & gas companies in the same state to drill gas & oil and all 6 together only paid 1.2 million for their lease..

I understand the outrage in a sense over the rancher, yet why does no one care that these big oil companies are making ridiculous profits while paying peanuts for land leases on federally owned land. That is money that US and even state tax payers are being cheated out of while big oil & gas reap the profits and then price gouge us at the pumps.

dyna mo 04-21-2014 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20057428)


You just proved my point that you are speaking to things which you do not understand because a link to a short list of some of the responsibilities of the congress in no way supports your claims that


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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20057279)
... the president is primarily just a figurehead. ...the power he has (not much)

and

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20057279)
7.0 / 10.0

In the USA many people (including Americans) do not understand this but the president is primarily just a figurehead. It's congress who makes the laws.


You might have posted the line from the 250 year old constitution-

*all legislative powers shall be vested in the Congress*

But the fact is that in the ~240 years since the interpretation of it's guidelines has changed.

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Despite the Constitutional provision that "all legislative powers" shall be vested in the Congress, the president, as the chief formulator of public policy, has a major legislative role. The president can veto any bill passed by Congress and, unless two-thirds in each house vote to override the veto, the bill does not become law. Much of the legislation dealt with by Congress is drafted at the initiative of the executive branch. In an annual and special messages to Congress, the president may propose legislation he or she believes is necessary. If Congress should adjourn without acting on those proposals, the president has the power to call it into special session. But, beyond all this, the president, as head of a political party and as principal executive officer of the U.S. government, is in a position to influence public opinion and thereby to influence the course of legislation in Congress. To improve their working relationships with Congress, presidents in recent years have set up a Congressional Liaison Office in the White House. Presidential aides keep abreast of all important legislative activities and try to persuade senators and representatives of both parties to support administration policies.
So that also negates your claim that most Americans don't know that the president is a figurehead with little power, that's just simply not true at all.

Rochard 04-21-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20057391)
the top 5 of the oil industry make about 120+ billion $ in profits per year while receiving up to 52 billion $ in subsidies annually

makes you wonder who the real leeches are

(disclaimer: i also don't condone people playing the system for their benefit without making an effort)

But what does this have to do with Obama? This has happened under every President since Rockefeller and Standard Oil....

MaDalton 04-21-2014 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20057513)
But what does this have to do with Obama? This has happened under every President since Rockefeller and Standard Oil....

i forgot to quote this

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20056872&postcount=25

Vendzilla 04-21-2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 20056857)
A few good things...

No war in Iran. Till they get there Nuke built
No Keystone Pipeline. Lose of jobs and high prices still on gas
Porn is still legal. Just can't shoot in LA anymore
No oil drilling in the Arctic. I don't see a win here
No war in Syria. Just let people keep getting gased
Looser marijuana laws. Feds keep raiding state approved clinics
No war with Russia. Russia is happy about this because they can keep killing people

A few bad things...

Still way too much money in politics. Agreed, but I found out a way to make some money off it
Still no term limits for most political positions. I would be happy if Pelosi would leave
Nowhere near enough alternate energy progress. Like laptop battery powered cars?
Nowhere near enough corporate and banking regulations. I thought Obama fixed that? LOL
Not enough punching Republicans right in the face. Yeah, that's a way to fix it, NOT

So it's been a mixed bag, so far.

I added a couple things you missed

signupdamnit 04-21-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20057492)
You just proved my point that you are speaking to things which you do not understand because a link to a short list of some of the responsibilities of the congress in no way supports your claims that




and




You might have posted the line from the 250 year old constitution-

*all legislative powers shall be vested in the Congress*

But the fact is that in the ~240 years since the interpretation of it's guidelines has changed.



So that also negates your claim that most Americans don't know that the president is a figurehead with little power, that's just simply not true at all.

LOL. Oooookay.

MaDalton 04-21-2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20057559)
I added a couple things you missed

you don't have high prices on gas

dyna mo 04-21-2014 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20057577)
LOL. Oooookay.

Moreover, the President has had immense power re: legislation for a long time, the textbook example of this is from 50 years ago but more examples go back further.

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In an 11 June 1963 speech broadcast live on national television and radio, President John F. Kennedy unveiled plans to pursue a comprehensive civil rights bill in Congress, stating, ‘‘this nation, for all its hopes and all its boasts, will not be fully free until all its citizens are free’’ (‘‘President Kennedy’s Radio-TV Address,’’ 970). King congratulated Kennedy on his speech, calling it ‘‘one of the most eloquent, profound and unequivocal pleas for justice and the freedom of all men ever made by any president’’ (King, 12 June 1963).

The earlier Civil Rights Act of 1957, the first law addressing the legal rights of African Americans passed by Congress since Reconstruction, had established the Civil Rights division of the Justice Department and the U.S. Civil Rights Commission to investigate claims of racial discrimination. Before the 1957 bill was passed Congress had, however, removed a provision that would have empowered the Justice Department to enforce the Brown v. Board of Education decision. A. Philip Randolph and other civil rights leaders continued to press the major political parties and presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy to enact such legislation and to outlaw segregation.

The civil rights legislation that Kennedy introduced to Congress on 19 June 1963 addressed these issues, and King advocated for its passage.

Sly 04-21-2014 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20057578)
you don't have high prices on gas

You can't compare prices in Country A to Country B. If we did that, I'm really pissed off at taco prices in Texas because in Mexico I can get five delicious steak tacos for three dollars!

Barry-xlovecam 04-21-2014 11:52 AM

Subsidies?



The government subsidizes the energy industry and gasoline here is $0.93 /liter today here how much is gasoline there? (That price includes all taxes). So, my price is less that yours in the EU ...


So the cost of these subsidies are just a talking point .

The cost of imported oil is about the same or less in the EU than in the USA. So, why are your prices so high. What do all the added taxes subsidise there?


CamTraffic 04-21-2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20056858)
Wow. You seemed a bit dumb, but this generalization shows that you are actually that much stupid. I mean yes, there are more republicans that hate blacks than democrats, but that is not even close to what you just spewed :1orglaugh
Moronicy level: 10/10


I agree. Wow!

MaDalton 04-21-2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20057594)
You can't compare prices in Country A to Country B. If we did that, I'm really pissed off at taco prices in Texas because in Mexico I can get five delicious steak tacos for three dollars!

in relation to the average income your gas prices are still very low compared to the rest of the world - not counting countries like Iran, VAE, Dubai or Venezuela that heavily subsidize (even worse than the US)

it is like it is - cant help it

dyna mo 04-21-2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20057594)
You can't compare prices in Country A to Country B. If we did that, I'm really pissed off at taco prices in Texas because in Mexico I can get five delicious steak tacos for three dollars!

stop complaining! you are leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of us with tex-mex, the best food ever.

Sly 04-21-2014 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20057603)
in relation to the average income your gas prices are still very low compared to the rest of the world - not counting countries like Iran, VAE, Dubai or Venezuela that heavily subsidize (even worse than the US)

it is like it is - cant help it

Compared to the rest of the world doesn't matter. If the price of XYZ inflates by even 10% in a given country, that's all that matters. The price of XYZ in China, India, Germany, or Morocco matters little to a family in the middle of Nebraska.

Sly 04-21-2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20057604)
stop complaining! you are leaps and bounds ahead of the rest of us with tex-mex, the best food ever.

I like CalMex better. Wanna swap?

Would kill for carne asada fries and jamaica...

dyna mo 04-21-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20057613)
I like CalMex better. Wanna swap?

Would kill for carne asada fries and jamaica...

dang.

mex out here is delicious, true, but some of those tex-mex restaurants I recall in Austin and Houston still make my stomach growl they were that good.

Vendzilla 04-21-2014 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20057603)
in relation to the average income your gas prices are still very low compared to the rest of the world - not counting countries like Iran, VAE, Dubai or Venezuela that heavily subsidize (even worse than the US)

it is like it is - cant help it

Yes, we have high gas prices compared to what it should be. You don't drive as much as people drive here.

Why I ride my bike as much as I do, it gets 40 mpg

Vendzilla 04-21-2014 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20057620)
dang.

mex out here is delicious, true, but some of those tex-mex restaurants I recall in Austin and Houston still make my stomach growl they were that good.

I like the taco trucks in the Valley, $1.35 a taco

Vendzilla 04-21-2014 04:14 PM

Want to know why the pipeline hasn't happened yet, here's the reason, it's money and only money
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101598459?__s...eystone%20oppo

Rochard 04-21-2014 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20057843)
Want to know why the pipeline hasn't happened yet, here's the reason, it's money and only money
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101598459?__s...eystone%20oppo

I think it's a wonderful idea for Canada to ship all of it's oil through the US and out to other countries.


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