I am so tired of people using the term "Right" or "right-wing" as a way to denigrate and categorize large groups of people. Nothing in this world is so simple and black and white. If it were then I could reasonably conclude, based on the assumption that you are "left wing", that your mentality is the same as Fidel Castro and Nicolas Maduro since they are both left wing.

To demonstrate the point further there is stuff like this:

The Liberals' War on Science

So quit it with the "right-wing" creationism crap.

The computer models are flawed also in large part because they make the assumption that man-made emissions of CO2 are a major driver of climate change.

Not only are the models flawed from the outset but they have also proven to be wrong even over the short term. If they are wrong now why should we believe that they will be right 50 or 100 years from now?

the very definition of bigotry :2 cents:

Is there anyone else but the Religious Right whom is pushing for creationism as a political movement? I'm sorry you don't like the term right, but as someone on the left, I get called liberal all the time.. You act as if everything is one sided. Most of the people from the right use liberal as if it were a dirty word, so why is that different?

You may not like the political environment of what the GOP has become, but it has been taken over by the fringes. The tea party is way off in right field as is the Religious Right. There are very few moderates left with in the Republican Party, those whom are stay quiet about it so they don't face the brunt of political attacks ad funded by the Tea Party and their Kock brothers backers..

When you say left wing it just doesn't ring the same as the right wing, that is because the left has not gone off the deep end. Sure there are of course radicals on every side of the fence, but on the right they have become the most powerful groups. I'm sorry that lumping them in with you makes you feel bad, but maybe everyone that supports the GOP should look in the mirror and ask do you really want to be associated with the Religious Right and the Tea Party?

You are a complete fucking idiot.

Hello! How's it going?

Man, if everything were as simple as categorizing huge segments of the population using only a couple of catch-phrases and labels. Here, let me take a stab at it:

The Christian Left Welcomes You

So now there is a "religious left" too. So what is the point in constantly calling out the so called "religious right"?

Tea party? How about the OWS movement?

Both sides have their "undesirables". What party do you think the marxists and communists vote for? Do you really want to be associated with communists and marxists? They are the left wing extremists pulling your party further and further to the left. The problem is that the left keeps moving the goalposts of where the political centre is so that centrists look like extreme right wingers to them now. I am a complete centrist but some people on the left call me an "extreme right winger".

And yes the left has completely gone off the deep end. You say the most powerful groups are on the right but that's just not true. Leftists are running the entire US education system from elementary school right through to university. Year after year they are churning out more and more mindless, indoctrinated drones that are eventually going to give you the one party solution that everyone on the left has wet dreams about. Then the real problems will begin.

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Democrats need Republicans so the country doesn't become a pussy.

Republicans need Democrats so we don't invade countries for no reason.

oh come on. the republican party...sped up the collapse of the soviet union. stopped saddam from invading saudi arabia (note bush sr did not invade iraq in 1991). passed budgets in the late 90s that balanced the budget. converted star wars into SDI & withdrew from the ABM treaty, so we can have shiny missiles in alaska that just sit there.

best of all, the rich are really really fucking rich now.

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Someone some where must have a list of "major accomplishments" each party can claim. I can't think of any for the Republican party, but then again I can't think of any the Democrat party either.

Seems the current Congress has the lowest approval rating.... Ever. Or in a very long time.

And they both need each other so that they can keep passing election laws that make it damn near impossible for any third party candidates to ever get elected. :)

So, no real accomplishments then?

I called your failed logic early on in the thread, here:

What makes you think a third party would be any different than the two we already have? While each party does have significant differences, mostly around social reform, the system it's self is what is broken. Until big money is removed from the political spectrum and lobbying is made illegal, then Washington as a whole will continue to be broken and the same with the states.

Until then it will be the same ole same ole bickering about meaningless money spent on social programs while billions get passed along to big business with out a care in the world.

Both parties have really become the same at this point. They both do more harm than good.

Remember Obama talking about "Changing the way we do business as usual in Washington"? No more special interest $, having the people take back their voice, blah blah blah...all those people crying in the park that night thinking that he was going to come in and shake it up.

The Government (while run by these 2 parties) will ALWAYS come down to one thing. You need $ to get elected to Congress, the Senate and the WH...a shit ton of it. That $ comes from (the large chunks) special interests. These guys fundraise 24/7 starting right back up the day after they take office. Its about building a war chest to keep the seat.

I heard a guy on the news say it best....

"Everyone gets into Politics to make a difference, help people and contribute to making this country great. But the problem is after they get here, they get sucked into the money and political game that drives Washington and are forced to play in order to stay in office. Its sad to watch so many idealistic, brilliant people come here with visions of changing the world, loose that glimmer in their eye when they get stuck doing the Washington money shuffle and begin to realize that there is no way to change the way things work. Its to big, too deep rooted for any one person to change....so they fall in line"