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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20103193)

So it's a good thing to further isolate Russia from the rest of the world and to create a enemy on their own boarder where before they got along for the most part? Not to mention making Russia and business with-in bad investment and encouraging the EU to start looking else where for gas needs? All in exchange for a plot of land, this is a good deal?

it's a lot deeper then that... Putin doesn't want confrontation with the West, in fact he wants to partner with everyone... but usa wants global domination, keeps pushing and pushing... how would USA feel if in Canada there was a problem and then you see a bunch of Russian officials coming over and try to rule there or give pointers? and west keeps saying how Putin building new ussr, he's not building new ussr, that ESS (Eurasian) block is financial trade partnership with countries, they don't become allies all of a sudden, it's just for trade...

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Originally Posted by qwe (Post 20104799)

He didn't steal anything, that land was part of Russia and when Soviet Union broke up, Hryshev (?I think don't remember) gave it to Ukraine. Last straw for Putin was, is that Crimea, every inch of it's soil covered with Russian/Soviet Union blood from the WW2, and Ukraine's n@zzls ruling the country would not go down well. yes it's good for Russia, why?
1. Russian fleet would of probably be kicked out from there once EU integration bullshit would go down, not anymore
2. 90% of people in Crimea do not feel Ukrainian, they are Russian, no matter what west tells you... you are not from there, I got many relatives and friends of relatives still partying there from the joy while usa tv says how they were forced to vote with a gun lol
3. Putin is not a dictator, he just looks after Russian interests and the west doesn't like that... i'm sure you and the west would love for Ukraine president get killed, those n@zzls gangsters took over government, Russian language right away not allowed, IMF with huge loans to suck Ukraine's resources dry, put American bases there, kick out Russian fleet, install bunch of rockets close to the border while Putin NOT SAY A WORD? you out of your mind

Russia is not the former Soviet Union, the Soviet Union collapsed and new boarders were drawn.. Russia stole Ukraine's land..

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20104663)

Lets be fair Russia has broken pretty much every agreement with NATO, so they are not innocent.

Any examples? Pleeeeeeeease :)

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20104685)

like every country... I think that both Russians are fear-fuelled by RT

Russians don't watch RT because it's in English :winkwink:

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20104688)

Yes, I think it's very silly to be honest. Russians and Americans are very close to the same in many ways but it just shows what govt propaganda can do to make people think the other is a enemy.

I'd say that the USA is a like mirror of the Soviet Union. I'm not joking. Russians and Americans have much more in common than many other countries. Some people just don't realize that :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20104933)

Russia is not the former Soviet Union, the Soviet Union collapsed and new boarders were drawn.. Russia stole Ukraine's land..

Did you say "stole"? :1orglaugh

Как говорят крымчане: "даже аннексию нужно заслужить" :winkwink:

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Originally Posted by qwe (Post 20104799)

1. True and it would have made about 0% impact on the Russian military capabilities. I don't see anyone threatening Russia military any time soon, do you?

2. The West told me that the vast majority of the Crimeans feel Russian and wanted to join Russia. I believed the West, so I am not sure what you are saying here, did "the West" lie to me?

On the other hand, in countries that are democratic, the majority vote is the only legitimate vote. Funny how what the Crimeans want matters and what the rest of the Ukrainians want, doesn't. Let Ukraine (as in the whole country, not a single village or region) vote and if they want to join Russia in ANY way, I would have nothing more to say. Passing the Putin's move - "tomorrow, I referendum you or I am sending in the troops" as a democracy is a total joke.

3. Suuuuure, the mighty Putin - looking after the common Russian' interests by putting one billion dollars a day in the pockets of his own bros. Lol, congrats to the winners.

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20105026)

Russians don't watch RT because it's in English :winkwink:

there you go, i found russian version of RT especially for you :winkwink::winkwink::winkwink:

http://russian.rt.com/

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20105071)

there you go, i found russian version of RT especially for you :winkwink::winkwink::winkwink:

http://russian.rt.com/

Cool, but in fact the only version of RT I have in my TV packet is in English only ;)