No, that wasn't the argument at all, but since you are clearly a child I'll remind you that it was about innocent people being killed. My point was there are no innocent robbers.

I am quite sure that we all live in somewhere, although not all of us in USA.

You think you can blow someone away in cold blood like that and not feel anything after? Sorry doesn't work like that, not even for psychos...

So what was the argument regarding killing people stealing TVs? I thought it was this?

"are you saying you innocently steal tv's? and would like to remain to be able to do so without getting killed?"

About innocent people, quite many "innocent" people have been killed as a burglars or whatever, you know, mistakenly. Unless the shooter has intentionally shot "innocent" people.

I am going to throw some "know it all" in here. Some people doesn't feel emotions like us, or at all regarding compassion. It has been studied that folks in prison have this symptom unsually often vs the rest of the population. Well, it somehow explains why they end up to jail.

I know, Glen, I would be a wreck. I just said that for effect. It would take a lot for me to shoot someone, and if I did, I would more than likely load some buckshot into my Mossberg and aim low. Maybe take out a leg or two. I couldn't live with A) killing someone and B) putting my kids through additional trauma.

op go have beer and stfu :2 cents:

Do you have any ideas how many times I've heard something go bump in the night in the past year? Six? Sixteen? Ten times out of ten it's either my daughter or my dog. I have a home alarm and I no longer get concerned about hearing something in the house in the middle of the morning.

I'm sorry, but I would much rather have someone steal my TV instead of myself having shot and killed my wife or daughter by mistake.

Good for you! Please don't try to force this standard on your neighbors. Thank you.

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Well, one of my neighbors is a cop with no kids so I'm good with that.

My other neighbor is a complete pot head who has four daughters and has more assault rifles than I do. He is all "If someone enters my property I'll kill them". Well, what do you do when your kid has a sleep over and one of those kids gets at 3am to get a drink and drops her glass. Sure, I trust him. I always trust well armed potheads.

I bet if USA rescinded gun laws for 1 year they would see a vast drop in murder rates. But money talks over sense I guess.

So, if all law abiding citizens surrender their guns but criminals keep them, the murder rate will go down?

He said "rescinded"
That means CANCEL gun laws. Not surrender the guns.

I stand corrected. :)

Ok, some facts since people are voicing what they know little about.

First off, the US is not the wild west, I live in the San Fernando Valley, home to probably a few million people. Seldom is there any gun violence here, you can check on http://crimemapping.com

The only reason people think it's violent is because of bias opinion on the news

Justified shootings are if you can prove you believed your life was in danger or someone else's life was in danger in California.
Pretty easy to prove if you found someone in your house. Just make sure all shots were to the front of the trespasser and make sure they were dead so that the only statements came from you!

I see more conjecture from AKA thinking he knows anything about what goes on in the US, it's clear he doesn't live here and doesn't know jack shit but continues to spread it thick.

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I haven't said that I would live in USA. Also I haven't said that I would know everything about USA, or even acted like that, but certainly I seem to know more about USA than many of you know about the rest of the world. In this thread most of the debate by me and someone else have been about what you can do outside US. It's have been so surprise that you can't just shoot people elsewhere.

You are just so USA, USA, USA, no matter what we talk about. Can't you realize that there is also life outside USA? There are guns outside USA, there are laws, people teach their kids to shoot, or don't teach, etc. It just doesn't stop to there what you do in USA.

By the way, as you mentioned gun violence. Is it gun violence in there is you shoot someone for self-defence? Is it counted in statistics?

You are posting in a thread titled How Guns are being used by citizens in AMERICA each year you fucking moron!

You don't know jack shit

Oh, really? Somehow I saw also some other countries in the first post. Are they part of USA now? There was something about international perspective.

OK, I posted your first response, where do you get this bullshit anyway?

This is not the wild west, or didn't you read my first post in this thread?

Right to shoot with little barrier? Where the fuck did that come from, as I said, you don't know jack shit and you are talking out your ASS!

Are you saying we can just shoot people for any reason in the US?

My conclusion from this is you are a FUCKING MORON TROLL, you have no facts that pertain to the conversation and have no fucking clue about what goes in the US, so kindly shut the fuck up till we start talking shit about whatever shit hole you call home

I asked that is it wild west. You know, it's question.

With little barrier I referred to you laws and you made very good example about it yourself.

"Justified shootings are if you can prove you believed your life was in danger or someone else's life was in danger in California.
Pretty easy to prove if you found someone in your house. Just make sure all shots were to the front of the trespasser and make sure they were dead so that the only statements came from you!"

That is what I call "shooting with little barrier". And I am not the only one. And that doesn't mean shooting for any reason, just shooting with little barrier.

Do you actually expect anyone besides mark prince to believe you?

Fuck Off retard!!

I believe most of the world to believe me. But this isn't a matter of believing. Usually laws and such are in written form.

Most couldn't make sense of your english

I know it isn't that bad. Also, I can speak with 4 languages, although English is the best one after my mother language.

I was there once, back in the early 80's. On Van Nuys. On Wednesday night as I recall. The only thing that I was approached by was a rather friendly group of people who sold me some of the best and cheapest pot I'd ever had back in my pot-smoking days. Hundreds of cruise night people then had me follow them to a nearby park where much debauchery went down.

Some fun hot California girls in that group as I recall. Fun times.

The only guns I saw that night were strapped to the cops walking around who 'thought' they were under cover.

Nobody is forcing you to send your kid over there for a sleep-over; I'm not sure how that's even relevant.

Why would you think that? The laws we have now allow any citizen to arm themselves to the teeth if they so decide to and we have plenty of laws on the books that allow people to use those weapons to defend themselves and their property.

All rescinding the gun laws would do would make it so that people could get fully automatic machine guns and things like that if they so chose.

Murdering people is illegal now and it still would be. What differences would having more firepower available to you make?

Guns were used to kill off the native population.

Now guns are there because of their fear of their freed slaves.

It is a sick society thinking violence is a solution to all problems domestic and foriegn.


Other civilised countries can only watch agast at the stupidity and horror of children being given real guns.

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Our "slaves" were freed over 150 years ago! You know...about 30 years after Great Britain (where you apparently live) freed YOUR slaves (Great Britain abolished slavery in 1833, we did it in 1863). :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

And I can only presume you are speaking of black folks when you say our "freed slaves".

Well sorry to bust your bubble...but those "freed slaves" (as YOU call them) are armed to the teeth as well. It's not a bunch of white former "slave owners" owning all the guns to repress the poor, weak "freed slaves".

Nope. Most gun violence in the U.S. is committed by those "freed slaves" (as you so racist-ly put it)

Uh...you live in the UK? The British Empire was built on the British military slaughtering people world-wide with guns.
Jesus, some of this "holier-than-thou" shit is ridiculous. Especially from the British.

It isn't has simple as some people make is seem. You have to be able to prove you were in fear for you life or the lives of others and the evidence must back you up. There are plenty of people who shoot people and claim it was self defense and end up in jail. Not to mention the family of the person you shot will likely sue you.

When you see the huge numbers of people who are supposedly using guns to defend themselves much of that is made up. Nobody really knows for sure how often it really occurs because it normally doesn't end in a shooting. It ends with the aggressor leaving and never gets reported.

love this part, pretty obvious it you think about it for a second but brilliant anyway - thank you :)

Yeah, but as English legislation already pointed it up, elsewhere your subjective feelings only play some role. It is taken into account, but mostly so that what you could expect the situation to be. Just feeling fear, etc. doesn't mean shit elsewhere. That makes it seriously different, as it makes it much more objective.

But I have no argue about this, if you want to know what I think about this subject, read the Harvard's study/ quotes posted. I go with the facts. I can accommodate my opinion with a snap of a finger to match facts. So, if you want to know what I think, read the facts.

No, I'm pretty sure it was just shear numbers and germ warfare (small pox) that eventually overwhelmed the Native Americans. They had weapons and a better understanding of the terrain.

You can't be serious. Guns are here because it's a right guaranteed by the Constitution drafted by the founding fathers. You said former slaves...that's rich.

Violence is the best deterrent against violence. If a crazy guy with a gun steps in front of two houses with signs out front. One sign says, "We are armed and will shoot you in the face if you enter", and the other says, "Gun Free Zone". Which one will the crazy person go into to shoot up? Hmmm...I wonder. Retaliation with the possibility of death or a wide open shooting range with no one fighting back. Yeah, easy choice.


Because that only happens in America, right?

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Does it really improve your agenda to post some pictures about North Korea, Palestine, Lebanon, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.? Associate America with those countries?

It's pretty amazing to me just how many people on GFY cast opinions and judgements on another country's culture without ever actually living in and experiencing said country -- opinions formed solely from what they read on the Internet and in sensationalized media (who, of course, cherry pick what can get them more page views/ad ratings).

Carry on.

Since when it has been necessary to have some serious first hand and long time experience about something to have opinion about it?

Also, first hand experience is often bound to be more or less subjective as the sample tends to be small, unless you really examine the subject.

I bet you have opinion or two about Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea, muslims outside US, or muslims in US. And it hasn't stopped just to opinions, you have made war in many countries.

You are a fucking idiot if you think you can argue with someone that lives there thinking you know more than they do from books or TV. Shows what a fucking troll you are.

You don't like our culture, stay at home then

Certainly I have opinions, but not to the point I want to visit an American owned and operated board and then outwardly question the culture of that board's largest demographic. This is not a one time thing, it happens every single time there is a gun tragedy in the US, and then further fueled by the media sensationalizing the hell out of it. Then, like clockwork people from all over the place just love to run to GFY and proclaim how bad the culture of the US is while never having set foot in the country or growing up in an environment that is different than their own.

I'm not an American, but I think it's a bit ridiculous how often these threads pop up every single time a firearm tragedy occurs.

Personally I would think most business-minded webmasters have better things to occupy their time with than arguing about this in multiple threads on a message board.

Like I said... carry on.