Know more about your culture? I think you don't really grasp the concept of facts, opinions, etc. Also knowing something and agreeing on something aren't the same thing.

I don't think that guns and especially self-defence are the only parts of your culture, but hey, maybe I just don't know it. Why would I stay at home if I don't like your culture? Last time when I watched outside window, it wasn't USA, or USA isn't even close.

after all these years i learned this is a pointless discussion.

a large group of Americans (not all) want to keep their guns and a large group on non-Americans (not all) shake their heads in disbelief

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Exactly :2 cents:

Yeah, this is time waste, but pretty much most of things in this and other forums are. Like social media altogether. So let's not get into that.

This being American operated and owned forum doesn't mean shit. It doesn't show anyway, there are no flags, etc. This is adult webmaster forum first of all. And questioning things is perfectly normal, it is what people in free countries do (and US folks in here all the time). Also, I would again point out that America is not just about guns, or maybe my view is wrong (being ignorant foreigner), maybe it's just about guns and shooting people. Please correct me if that's the case.

I wouldn't even got into this conversation without the international aspect of the first post.

actually this is a greek forum now - hehe

Bullets killed 28,000 children, teens between 2002 and 2012


For every U.S. soldier killed in Afghanistan during 11 years of war, at least 13 children were shot and killed in America.

More than 450 kids didn’t make it to kindergarten.

Another 2,700 or more were killed by a firearm before they could sit behind the wheel of a car.

Every day, on average, seven children were shot dead.

This will likely be my last post in this thread as, like MaDalton said, there's little point.

The USA has a Constitution. In it, there is something called the 2nd Amendment which actually states the right to bear arms. This is something that no other 1st World Country / Western Nation has as a written right (to my knowledge anyway).

The text of this Amendment, and its interpretation, has been the topic of debate and discussion for years. And has been challenged many many times. The US Supreme Court has ruled on it.

Some disagree with the text and/or ruling, others champion the spirit of the entire Amendment as it was/is written.

People can debate all they want. But that's it in a nutshell. The Amendment is there. It's been interpreted. The court ruled. End of story.

Most of us, myself included, grew up in a country where we were not expressly given the right to bear arms as part of our constitution. Similarly, most in the US have never grown up in an environment where Healthcare was provided as needed, and proactively (universal healthcare). People can debate either issue, but unless you have familiarity within each system, you're never going to convince anyone that their system is inferior to your own country or another country -- and whether it is or not is irrelevant.

One of the main issues I see happening in any of these debates is that it usually gets fueled when a person from another country comes in with a tone that is accusatory, insulting, or condescending. At that point, the name calling generally starts and what began as a reasonable discussion becomes a pissing content between a couple of people.

Having said that, I have work to do and this, like all threads before it, are starting to waste my time.

Enjoy :)

USA is a nation built on guns and alcohol (and tobacco). throughout the entire history of this nation that is the simple fact.

it's not changing. and it can't change. If anyone thinks we can ban guns you only needs to look up what happened during the prohibition era to see how bad shit got here when we tried to outlaw liquor- organized crime was created, income tax was created, millions of Americans were instantly turned into felons, neighbors spied on neighbors, murder and crime went up, on&on, et al. Some scholars even point to prohibition as the catalyst to the depression, it hit the economy hard.

it doesn't matter what your opinion is on guns, the fact is the gun genie is out of the bottle and always has been.

American owned - that made me laugh. Behave yourself you foriegners or we will throw you out.

Lets face it Europeans know more about America than the Americans themselves, what with failing education system, a rampant propaganda media, a one party state pretending to be a two party one, the nonsense that Americans come out with is just material for comedians.

And of course you have military bases in almost all of our countries and dictate what our puppet governments must do, so we have a fair idea of American sillyness, moneterism, trickle down, foriegn wars etc..

Giving a child a loaded machine gun. That must take the prize for one of the most stupid acts on the planet. Go USA !

Yeah, but this hasn't been about some amendents in any point. No one hasn't said that it's illegal to posses guns in America.

Sure it does. It goes to the spirit of this ongoing conversation every time guns are brought up. Guns and ownership are a guaranteed right to US citizens, a PART of their culture. This is exactly what people, such as yourself, keep critiquing and comparing to other countries. Without that right, there would be no other related laws, such as right to shoot intruders. Whether you see it or not, your problem is with the US Constitution and the 2nd Amendment in particular.

It all starts and ends at that point.

the sun never sets on the british flag you stupid motherfucker.

you stupid motherfucker.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...e-mississippi/
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

They used the Mean instead of the Median :2 cents:

No, that isn't the point. Having guns and rights to shoot people are totally different things. Also, my questioning has been about the statements made in the the first post. It compared things to other countries, so it made comparisons as a subject, not me.

I don't agree shooting people for stealing candy bars, but that hasn't been under my critique (or at least the point of it) as it's just a matter of opinion and legislation. I have critiqued the false facts.

You just try to point out that if it's in the law, the conversation should stop there, altogether. As it's "written in stone" or something like that.

Let's just agree to disagree.

Carry on :)

Okay, I just wanted to say that one could say that in my country there is culture having guns, at least there is shitload of them, but surely not culture of shooting people, besides enemies, we have that culture, but not shooting own people.

So I really don't agree about guns = shooting own people.

OK. So UK the country ranks 10th poorest US state instead of 2nd. That doesn't change the fact that poster is a stupid motherfucker finger pointer.

Exactly, it's our cultures colliding.

I want to keep my guns, I was raised with them, I will pass them on to my daughter.

I don't believe I have ever told you or anyone else to buy a gun, don't ask me to get rid of mine because you think differently than me.

Assholes like AKA will argue this without knowing jack shit about the other side. Difference being I will never tell anyone to get a gun that is against having one.

BTW, the state of Pennsylvania has 1,299,372 resident deer hunting licenses. I'd say that's a pretty large group.


LEADING DEER HUNTING STATES
(Licensed Resident Deer Hunters)
Pennsylvania 1,299,372
Michigan 1,005,000
Wisconsin 894,543
New York 812,446
Texas 645,000

LEADING WHITETAIL STATES
(Estimated whitetail populations)
Texas 3,748,000
Michigan 1,900,000
Mississippi 1,750,000
Wisconsin 1,600,000
Alabama 1,500,000

LEADING DEER-KILL STATES
(Total Whitetail Kill, Gun and Bow)
Wisconsin 469,555
Texas 442,000
Michigan 440,000
Pennsylvania 430,583
Georgia 375,100

LEADING FIREARM STATES
(Licensed Resident Gun Hunters)
Pennsylvania 1,000,000
Michigan 675,000
Wisconsin 656,164
New York 643,534
Texas 570,000

LEADING BOW HUNTING STATES
(Licensed Resident Bow Hunters)
Michigan 330,000
Pennsylvania 299,372
Wisconsin 238,379
Ohio 190,000
New York 168,912

LEADING BOW DEER KILL STATES
(Total Whitetail Kill With Bows)
Michigan 97,000
Wisconsin 69,269
Pennsylvania 54,622
Mississippi 40,000
Alabama 40,000

Published in Deer Hunters' 1998 Almanac by Deer & Deer Hunting Magazine

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/20...o-2489544.html

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013...c02-s6-c30.jpg

kills more nuff said

Gun owners are mostly older. They are slowly dying off so no worries. In 40 years it has gone from 50% to about 30%. As it keeps dropping, the US gets safer and safer. Go figure.

Well, if someone tries to steal your TV, you know what to do: "Here, eat this motherfucker!"

By the way, we have here too "cultural clashes" as drug usage in other western countries is not as common. Although "may not be far behind".

http://www.eurad.net/en/news/consump...e.9UFRnM1Q.ips

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...drug-addiction

I don't think the young street gangs got that memo...

Hard to beleive sometimes but there are less members of young street gangs now too. So maybe they did?

OMFG, your opinion is fucked!!!!!!

You are totally "uncorrect" or incorrect as it were. Murder is defined by law in pretty much the same way all over the states.
What you confuse is justifiable homicide or self defense!!!!! This is not murder - not even close!!!

Sorry, 2nd amendment doesn't say you can only have firearms if you are not a douche, dumbfucks get to own them too.
The problem gets real when only the dumbfucks have them and no-one else does!!!

Armed population cuts down the dumbfuck ratio. = Dumbfuck pulls gun, dumbfuck gets shot by non-dumbfuck with legal right to own gun. Problem solved.

Kane slew Abel with an unregistered rock dude!!!!!!!:disgust

No, but in USA you have the right to defend your property and sometimes the thief does something worthy of self defense. So he gets shot. :thumbsup

Can't win!!! shoot low and get sued = loose all. Just sayin'

Identify your target prior to shooting always.

In my home I investigate noises at night with no weapon at all or sometimes only a blade in my hand. I am mouse quiet however and knife beats gun at 12-15 feet in a closed familiar space. So whatever...... I am with you on the not wanting to shoot my loved ones by mistake, and I haven't pulled the gun out of the safe as a means of household security since my son was born. :thumbsup

It is there if needed though, for more pressing engagements!

You can't rescind gun laws in the U.S. without destroying the constitution and without that...... There is no U.S. So go right ahead, if you think it's worth it!!!

He did prove a point with those photos. I'm quite certain the kids in the photos kill the people they are trying to kill. Mostly!!!

Yes, don't worry the U.S. will be completely taken over by power hungry politicians working for corrupt corporations etc........ soon enough and there will be no way to stop it. Young people enjoy your servitude!!!!

LOL, where the fuck did you get that made up number?

It's funny how morons like you can't separate the facts from the fiction because of the news sources you look at, There is no definitive data source from the government or elsewhere on how many Americans own guns or how gun ownership rates have changed over time. Also, public opinion surveys provide conflicting results: Some show a decline in the number of households with guns, but another does not. But then this is only what people are willing to admit too, most people that own guns like to keep it quiet, one reason it they don't want people breaking into their home when they are not there to steal them.

Remember that gun sales are up since Obama took office.

As gun sales surged in early 2009 the going joke among employees of gun manufacturers was that President Barack Obama was the ?greatest gun salesman of all time.? The trouble with this backhanded complement, however, is Left-leaning news outlets have since used it to avoid something that really scares them.

As ABC put it, Americans are buying more Glocks and Berettas simply because they fear ?a second Obama administration might restrict gun ownership.? Their reporting conveniently stops right there.

But you with all your fucked up wisdom thinks less people are owning guns now, I call bull shit!