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mineistaken 11-08-2014 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20282445)
Is not a theory. It's a fact. Feel free to provide just one link proving eating healthier leads to being healthier.

If that is a fact why do people eat healthier (which in most cases means less tasty, more time consuming, more expensive and so on)?
You could say they don't know this "fact", but how is that possible? I mean this would be ground breaking and life changing fact and every 5 year old would know that...

arock10 11-08-2014 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20282437)
Obvious inability to read is obvious.

The term you are searching for is skinny fat. You may appear skinny, but are actually health wise a fat person. Just cause you don't look like an obese cow shopping at walmart doesn't mean you can't stroke out/have a heart attack at 50 cause your cholesterol, blood pressure etc is through the fucking roof. People that sit as much as we do are pretty much doomed anyway on top of that

dicknipples 11-08-2014 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 20282484)
The term you are searching for is skinny fat. You may appear skinny, but are actually health wise a fat person. Just cause you don't look like an obese cow shopping at walmart doesn't mean you can't stroke out/have a heart attack at 50 cause your cholesterol, blood pressure etc is through the fucking roof. People that sit as much as we do are pretty much doomed anyway on top of that

rip in peace me

arock10 11-08-2014 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20282445)
Is not a theory. It's a fact. Feel free to provide just one link proving eating healthier leads to being healthier.

Any of the zillion cases of eating xxx reduces yyy

Eating fatty fish reduces bad cholesterol
There is one, everyone else can fit in the other 999,999

dyna mo 11-08-2014 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20282480)
If that is a fact why do people eat healthier (which in most cases means less tasty, more time consuming, more expensive and so on)?
You could say they don't know this "fact", but how is that possible? I mean this would be ground breaking and life changing fact and every 5 year old would know that...

Again, there is absolutely zero scientific proof that eating healthier achieves being healthier.

People fall for it because we are sold that. It's marketing. It's about more not less. Eat more healthy foods. Eat more meals. Take more vitamins. Drink more designer water. Buy more organic food.

None of this leads to being healthier, based on science anyway.

dyna mo 11-08-2014 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 20282487)
Any of the zillion cases of eating xxx reduces yyy

Eating fatty fish reduces bad cholesterol
There is one, everyone else can fit in the other 999,999

Fatty fish could lower cholesterol. Could.

Moreover if you are male, the most important way your body makes testosterone is with cholesterol in your body. Want to decrease your testosterone? Cut your cholesterol.

dyna mo 11-08-2014 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 20282484)
The term you are searching for is skinny fat. You may appear skinny, but are actually health wise a fat person. Just cause you don't look like an obese cow shopping at walmart doesn't mean you can't stroke out/have a heart attack at 50 cause your cholesterol, blood pressure etc is through the fucking roof. People that sit as much as we do are pretty much doomed anyway on top of that

Simply provide 1 link to scientific proof that eating healthier makes the typical nonoverweight inactive person healthier.

Slappin Fish 11-08-2014 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20282490)
Again, there is absolutely zero scientific proof that eating healthier achieves being healthier.

People fall for it because we are sold that. It's marketing. It's about more not less. Eat more healthy foods. Eat more meals. Take more vitamins. Drink more designer water. Buy more organic food.

None of this leads to being healthier, based on science anyway.

You need to define 'unhealthy'.

Eating a doughnut a day isn't necessarily unhealthy if the rest of your diet is balanced. neither is eating non organic. What is unhealthy is a diet high in sugar, refined flour and vegetable oils, that brings very little in term of nutrition. It's the paradox of the Standard American Diet where you can eat loads of calories and yet be nutrient deficient because of the lack of nutrient rich foods like organ meats and leafy greens.

Slappin Fish 11-08-2014 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20282496)
Simply provide 1 link to scientific proof that eating healthier makes the typical nonoverweight inactive person healthier.

Look up magnesium, zinc, iron, essential fatty acid, etc deficiency and you'll find tons of links.

If you're not overweight, eating crap all day long is not about the nutrition you are getting but what you are not getting.




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last click 11-08-2014 10:02 AM

I like green leafy things :)

dyna mo 11-08-2014 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 20282516)
You need to define 'unhealthy'.

Eating a doughnut a day isn't necessarily unhealthy if the rest of your diet is balanced. neither is eating non organic. What is unhealthy is a diet high in sugar, refined flour and vegetable oils, that brings very little in term of nutrition. It's the paradox of the Standard American Diet where you can eat loads of calories and yet be nutrient deficient because of the lack of nutrient rich foods like organ meats and leafy greens.

Let's go with your definition of unhealthy:
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unhealthy is a diet high in sugar, refined flour and vegetable oils, that brings very little in term of nutrition.

what type of daily diet is primarily sugar, refined flour and vegetable oil? I don't see this as a realistic view on what an average non-obese sedentary person eats day in and day out.

a typical 1800 calorie day generally provides all the nutrients an average sedentary person needs. it's a marketing ploy to suggest we all NEED extra nutrients to watch television and be lazy. If you are active, yes, a corresponding amount of nutrients makes sense, otherwise don't fall for the hype.

Again, though, I am open, if there is any science that supports the direct connection between simply eating healthier = being healthier, I'd like to see it. :)

dyna mo 11-08-2014 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 20282522)
Look up magnesium, zinc, iron, essential fatty acid, etc deficiency and you'll find tons of links.

If you're not overweight, eating crap all day long is not about the nutrition you are getting but what you are not getting.




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I am quite familiar with all of those micronutrients, there are no links to science that proves that an average generally healthy non-obese sedentary person is not getting an adequate amount of those in a typical 1800 calorie day.

Rochard 11-08-2014 10:26 AM

At TES is Prague the power in the hotel went out and we had to (gasp!) use the stairs. If this happened two years ago it would have kicked my ass. Now because I work out daily and eat healthy, stairs no longer kick my ass.

You don't realize it but this kind of shit kicks your ass you when get older. Start eating healthier now because it's much difficult to loose weight when you get older.

Slappin Fish 11-08-2014 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20282553)
Let's go with your definition of unhealthy:

what type of daily diet is primarily sugar, refined flour and vegetable oil? I don't see this as a realistic view on what an average non-obese sedentary person eats day in and day out.

Diet of ready meals, fast foods, soda and white bread like many Americans

Too much salt : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24001491

"Evidence from these studies demonstrates that high salt intake not only increases blood pressure but also plays a role in endothelial dysfunction, cardiovascular structure and function, albuminuria and kidney disease...."

Too much Trans Fatty Acids : http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/transfats/

Not enough magnesium, 68 to 80 percent of Americans are deficient, http://www.acatoday.org/content_css.cfm?CID=3956

Not enough calcium, sodas leeches it out, very little vitamin A, etc, etc

I don't believe in supplementation either,

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20282553)
a typical 1800 calorie day generally provides all the nutrients an average sedentary person needs. it's a marketing ploy to suggest we all NEED extra nutrients to watch television and be lazy. If you are active, yes, a corresponding amount of nutrients makes sense, otherwise don't fall for the hype.

Again, though, I am open, if there is any science that supports the direct connection between simply eating healthier = being healthier, I'd like to see it. :)

If you get it all the in 1800 calories you are eating nutritious foods = healthy diet, and you are asking us to prove a healthy diet is healthy :)

dyna mo 11-09-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 20282601)
Diet of ready meals, fast foods, soda and white bread like many Americans

Too much salt : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24001491

"Evidence from these studies demonstrates that high salt intake not only increases blood pressure but also plays a role in endothelial dysfunction, cardiovascular structure and function, albuminuria and kidney disease...."

Too much Trans Fatty Acids : http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/transfats/

Not enough magnesium, 68 to 80 percent of Americans are deficient, http://www.acatoday.org/content_css.cfm?CID=3956

Not enough calcium, sodas leeches it out, very little vitamin A, etc, etc

I don't believe in supplementation either,



If you get it all the in 1800 calories you are eating nutritious foods = healthy diet, and you are asking us to prove a healthy diet is healthy :)

what you mention re: salt is a myth.

please choose from any article in this google search to learn about that

https://www.google.com/search?q=magn...=the+salt+myth

next, sure trans fat is not good, but the article you cite does not refute what this thread is about. for the typical non-obese sedentary adult,too much trans fat intake is not a concern.

next, magnesium, sure low magnesium could be an issue but the fact is there are many many reasons a person might be low on magnesium, the least of which is diet. Again, the average healthy sedentary non-obese adult does not need to concern him or herself about magnesium.



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f you get it all the in 1800 calories you are eating nutritious foods = healthy diet, and you are asking us to prove a healthy diet is healthy :)
no, if you eat typical cals in a day, not specifically nutritious, you will get the nutrients you need to have a sedentary day. That's not eating healthier. that's simply eating.

again, there is absolutely zero scientific proof that eating healthier means being healthier for the average adult.

want to get healthier? be more active mentally and physically and support that lifestyle with eating healthier.


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