I dont care about any U.N definition I care about my freedom. No im not getting the picture. You keep calling everyone racists but you dont see the complexity of what is going on.

It is amusing to me to see the word racism used so often by those who clearly do not understand the meaning.

When you say it in that way I dont have any problem with immigration either but that's not the way it looks today.

I see muslims in my population getting more rights than me and more benefits and we no longer have same obligations.

The first protest in dresden was perhabst 2 weeks ago from what I understand this was normal people of the population, no extremists, no right wing radicals protesting.

I can assume with more protests following the demonstrations will get fueled by all the media coverage by others such as neo-nazis etc.

I can try to look up some reference if you want.

Good summary could not have said it better. Thing is, shit will only get worse cause I dont see how things will change for the better any time soon. A whole generation of cowards, lemmings, sheeps are running things.

Then the protests we see today will look like some old folks playing bingo.

Here's something that would get most germans appalled. Must see, in german but with english text.

Lebanese crime family intimidates and threatens court reporters | MRCTV

That doesn't mean we should just close our eyes and keep letting our countries be flooded with third world immigrants.
Besides the religion problem, all these people starts to undermine our welfare.

80% from Somalia are without job, yet they receive more money monthly than my parents who worked for over 50 years.

Let those who want to learn our language, get a job and live like Europeans stay, and kick those out who put their religion above our laws and existing culture.

And you are right they will outnumber us if we don't do something now. That is exactly why something has to be done now, if we don't want to see a civil war all over Europe within the next few centuries. Fortunately more and more people see this.

It's not about racism or hate, but current experience has just showed our own culture is being challenged. When we see hospitals where only halal meet is served to please the Muslims, or areas where traditional celebration of Christmas is no longer allowed because of Muslim majority, then it is time to wake up.

They will outnumber us? Muslims will outnumber christians? Or what?
Civil War? Huh?
Hospitals with only halal meat? Where?
Celebration of christmas not allowed? Where?


From what I see in the news or read on the web from back home, the vast majority of people attending these marches have not even a clue why they are there. They can not answer simple questions regarding the topic of the gatherings.

But they seem to have one thing in common. They are scared of something. They are scared about the big politic is leaving them behind, and keeps them uninformed about important things. Politics lost touch to the base somewhere in the past few years.

That is the reason why people are so easily lured into bullshit, like they are.

Even if Merkel is ashamed about the recent happenings, she should not tell it to the public like she did. Branding all of these peoples as nazis is plain wrong, even though that is exactly what national level politicians are doing right now.

They are not Nazis, they are unhappy sheeps that can be too easily hearded.

http://media.boingboing.net/wp-conte...8KIIAAqNjq.jpg

In paris they had to erect this giant buttplug instead of a christmas tree in order to avoid offending muslims!

It's not buttplug. It's a Christmas Tree :)

So you keep saying:

"The UN does not define "racism"; however, it does define "racial discrimination": According to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,

the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.[25]"

Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I go with the UN definition for racial discrimination as there is not for starters stuff like "human races", so the word "racism" per se is incorrect, and the real meaning is different.

And you don't get what I am writing. "Calling everyone racists." If you read what I wrote, it is hardly name calling.

If I say that humans are characterically racists, etc., it is like saying "humans are mammals". You can take it as a name calling or not. I don't. I don't blame you being mammal. You are animal (this isn't name calling either).

racist news

i get what you're saying. But i wouldn't describe it as 'racist', i'd describe it as being prejudice towards people other than themselves - yes, everyone has that. But it's logical.

The discussion here isn't about that though. It's about two completely different cultures that do not mix very well - it's proven over the years, that this utopian multicultural society - read: muslims in western countries - is a completely failed project. We don't mix well. And it's only muslims. We also have indonesians, chinese, etc, why didn't their immigration in western countries fail?

I meant prejudice for different human groups; that can be anything starting from some prejudice against people from different town, town part, etc.

Word racism is used to describe prejudice and discrimination. Or if you want take the word literally: for starters discriminating someone because he is black, isn't racism per se without some belief about races and racial differences and discriminating because of that, but hardly no one asks those motives, and the accused might not even tell when asked. If you discriminate someone based on their skin colour, it is called as racism. Still, I am blamed for not getting what "racism" means. It is anyways quite hard to use the word as it was meant at the beginning of 19th century; as it requires knowing someone's racial beliefs (or the lack of those), and the exact motives about the discrimination.

That is why UN has a more broader definition, so that things don't get too complicated (when the issue is taken seriously and the meaning of the word makes difference).

"the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life."

Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where do you think prejudices and stereotypes come from? It's not like "racists" invent them just to justify their hate. Wake up and smell the Sharia law.

the issue is you politicized a sociological trait .... it's called TRIBALISUM, when you say racist it is name calling, when you state tribalism, it's science... :2 cents:

no offense, but typical euro idiot. 0 understanding about the subject.
when it happens in Germany it will be too late, might be already too late.
whats the difference between Germany and France? Few hours drive? lol.
wake the fuck up.

Neither tribalism is the right scientific word for it. And I wasn't even trying to use some exact word, if there even is such. Shortest simplified description would be fear of unknown + tribalism. As you can apply the fear of unknown even to different looking fruit (even though your mom says it's OK), tribalism is hardly the right word in here.

No one has said anything about halal meat in hospitals.

Civil war? Yea it might happen, it's all about people waking up. If this keeps going on, the tolerance of much more tolerant people than me will be depleted.

Celebration of christmas not allowed? That's a question for the future not today.

But here's something for a starter

Converting Denmark into a Muslim Country

Prejudices and stereotypes come from somewhere surely, but those being accurate descriptions is another matter. Goebbels made up some stereotypes about jews, but the accuracy is another matter, and in this case; racist really did invent stereotypes.

And this is not just about sharia, I will mention that when I speak about that.

Im leaving this thread now, but fact is the nationalistic parties is growing and the establishment wont touch the topic in an intelligent way.

How the hell are you going to manage to be tolerant towards the intolerant...

It will get worse, just watch and see. By then it might be too late.

Christian Fundamentalists are very dangerous and threaten world peace, I think we should ban all Americans from traveling until they reject religion and except science.

I think all the British who have been living abroad for more than a year but have failed to learn the local language should be made to return.

Everyone who wants to restrict immigration should hand in their own passport and say they are happy never to travel so long as no one else can.

The lack of passports doesn't seem to matter that much regarding refugees, although I don't think that they come for the sake of traveling. :)

I am all for restricting immigration. Letting everybody in, isn't very good plan.

That would mean kicking every religious person out period.

:1orglaugh

Except that the foundation regarding views about right and wrong has been shaped by western religion (Christianity). Thus Christians are more or less in sync with western laws.

Gets my vote! :thumbsup

i can only spot one idiot here - and that ain't me

and first and foremost: I will not have GFY keyboard warriors dictate me what I think what is going on in my home country

fact is: those demonstrations are organised by neo nazis in disguse and a few thousand stupid people blindly follow

we can discuss other issues with religious extremists of all sorts, but in a civilized manner

won't happen on GFY though i'm afraid - especially with people like you that call me an idiot out of the blue

and now, in best GFY christmas spirit: Go Fuck Yourself :winkwink:

Adolph!
preheat the ovens!
we gonna be busy!

http://www.abigmessage.com/halal-meat-in-danish-hospital-sparks-debate-on-retaining-food-culture.html

http://m.cphpost.dk/news/how-one-local-decision-created-a-national-war-on-christmas.3388.html

http://www.aina.org/news/2012082490853.htm

Just a few examples.
And why is it we are always supposed to be scared, just because we don't want our culture and society fucked up by a religion that have failed to adapt to the 21th century.

You are right a lot of people are forced to travel by war and poverty. What as been the countries who moan about immigration policies? Have they created war and poverty? Have they funded the very extremists they now worry about?

Freedom for all to live where they want is not a plan it is a right. A right I am sure you want to have.

Human beings move, they always have.

I would let in Syrian refugees trying to escape war anyday, even better if we could exchange them for people who call for immigration controls.

Let them see what it is like to live in fear as they lack the imagination or compassion to understand the struggles of their fellow humans.

two car attacks in france today ... let them leave to their country, and let them live there with their allah ... :2 cents: nothing else to say, seriously ... how can anyone tolerate religion like this? ban it, make it illegal, as it have to be, problem solved ... if someone will harm your family, will you just look and think about how racist any counter attack will be? come on ...

There is no such right as to live where whoever wants, and I don't want such right. Humans are territorial animals for reason, as are other territorial animals too. I am nationalist and I am willing and able to kill for this plot that I call home my come country, I have been trained for that.

There will be huge conflicts if there would be totally free immigration. I don't have that much will to divide the struggle more evenly. There is more people coming than the lifeboat can support.

Humans have moved, yes, you are right. Although usually that hasn't been that good thing for the original population. What is your view to colonialism? Is this kind of moving good or bad thing?

defending yourself is not and never has been considered racist by anyone.

it is an alarmists fantasy..

you quoting your friend david duke again?

edit in advanced mode

I thought that I tried that. Better luck next time.

The muslims of germany (mostly turkish people) are not the muslims of france (people coming from north africa, excepted in the east of france where there is more turkish people too)

^^^^ this

and with a large majority of them there are no problems at all - they are as "western" as any other german

and i am intelligent enough to differentiate and not blindly hate

Although I have read that many second or third generation Turks (Germans) don't speak German, as there is no need in their huge "ghettos". We have had news stating that the Turkish issue has partially failed in Germany.


EDIT:

Recent news regarding the subject.

All immigrants should speak German at home, say Merkel's allies - Telegraph

once again - correct in some parts, still small minorities

and regarding that article: everyone had laughed at them and they hurried to take it back as they could not explain how they would control that - and because they are from Bavaria and hardly anyone outside Bavaria understands what they speak. Hilarious.


edit: so far in Germany there was no real right wing party - opposed to many other European countries. Now one party showed up (AFD) and the other conservative parties got their panties in a bunch cause they fear losing votes - and now everyone suddenly tries to outbid the others with the most absurd conservative opinions.

meanwhile in reality nothing has changed

Do you worry about Americans and Brits abroad who fail to learn the local language?