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you can make more money PER SITE, but you cannot make a larger business. and this is probably why there are no large solo networks dedicated around hardcore solo models. its not cheap enough and not easy enough to duplicate as solo and you might as well just launch a multi girl hardcore network site if youre going to spend on hardcore. you also want to produce better content too if youre dealing with hardcore and more time spent on editing. when youre hardcore, you have alot of competition on tube sites. most of which are higher quailty |
Hey JayMan, take a look at top performers who have solo paid membership websites based on the ModelCentro platform :thumbsup
http://blog.adultcentro.com/wp-conte...14/12/LEXI.jpg Gina Gerson - Gina's Affiliate Program http://blog.adultcentro.com/wp-conte...4/12/ginaG.jpg AngelLong - Angel's Affiliate Program http://blog.adultcentro.com/wp-conte...4/12/angel.jpg Sylvia Chrystall - Sylvia's Affiliate Program http://blog.adultcentro.com/wp-conte.../IMG_56461.jpg Dominika C - Dominika's Affiliate Program http://blog.adultcentro.com/wp-conte...14/12/domi.jpg Samantha38G - Sam's Affiliate Program http://blog.adultcentro.com/wp-conte...12/join-bg.jpg Sweet Sophie - Sophie's Affiliate Program http://blog.adultcentro.com/wp-conte.../12/Sophie.jpg Kylie Morgan - Kylie's Affiliate Program http://blog.adultcentro.com/wp-conte...lieMorgan.jpeg |
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I'm not arguing, I agree with most that you have said. I guess I'm just saying not all solo sites are the same. Edit: By the way, You have some super sexy girls and great sites :thumbsup |
Some posts are tldr so dunno its posted already or not, but Ashley Doll is there i'm sure....
oh and this is my first post.wow!;) |
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2 of them are my type ;) |
btw, Mutt is another one of the smart ones!!! I don't know Psyudo I don't think but his posts are pretty much right on consistant with my experiences running solo sites.
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While Twitter followers and Freeones rankings are fun to jerk off to; the top solo models are the ones who make their affiliates the most money.
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Welcome To MielMallow.com |
Alex suggests SiriPornstar.com is more popular than ArielRebel.com and that ArielRebel is hugely popular in Portugal, that where a lot of her traffic is coming from.
Google Trends says "Ariel Rebel" is a more common search phrase than "Siri Pornstar" I guess it depends on what you mean by "solo girl" site, too. For softcore / non-nude CearaLynch.com is interesting. |
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But i know Mia Khalifa sure wants the dick! :1orglaugh |
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Those solo girls I see with a regular following at the moment are Brooke Marks, Meet Madden and Nikki Sims who cam as well as post professionally shot work I think, Got Gizele, Andi Land, and Sarah Peachez still, when she can get her site working. |
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2015? https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...spen-pics.html and pretty sure i recall seeing more in her members area too |
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If i were to throw out my guess, i'd predict there was a big spike when she first started doing it, and it gradually went back to about 5-10 percent higher than it would have been if she had never, i think it was a good move but not enough to make up for the 10 percent~ drop a year in the market. Good site, good model and shes done better than almost every model woudl have done if they had launched at the same time. If i could change somehing about it, i would make their sex life a little less vanilla, and use tubes as a marketing tool instead of being against them. The big reason why hardcore has such an advantage is due to more marketing avenues but if you aren't using them, and still have mainly softcore affiliates, well.. People think the great method is , go softcore and slowly reveal more and more, this IMO, worked better when softcore had a massive following. Nowadays, i think you need to come out of the gate strong (mor graphic) and get those types of affiliates on board, that type of exposure on tubes, that top notch content, etc Coming out with softcore in a market where they get everything they want on tubes, they just dont care, so who are you really teasing, the few members that signed up? Just my opinion though. -- Also people are answering his question as hes asking just as a fan, instead of a webmaster. Answering with nikki sims , kates playground, ariel rebel, andiland, is all pointless. |
Also what is bigger, a site with 600 rebillers (from years back) and getting a few sales a day and dropping every year, or a site that launched in the modern era maintaining itself with 10 new sales a day and 400 members ?
Considering the question is usually asked to see who is most popular, models who built their empires back 10 years ago and have just been updating regularly to slow the process of declining arent' exactly the ones i'd throw out first. especially to a webmaster who is looking at gaining knowledge and better himself as a webmaster |
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A site making 10 new sales a day and holding only 400 members is not a very good site to send traffic to as an affiliate. It means most members are cancelling right away.
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btw, basically all solo sites rebill at around the same percent. its the exact same business model, almost all update once or twice a week max, almost all have similar affiliates, they all have the same promo tools, etc. all active ones will anyway. but yeah i rounded up to 10 and i also maybe rounded down when it came to member base. but its not far off. it was clear the point i was making so overanalyzing the numbers i gave would steer it away from the point i was trying to make maybe you see it that way because you have old sites, old sites typically have a large amount of old rebillers who have been rebilling for a long time, which means adding 10 new sales a day to a site with a solid base of inactive members from when the site was much bigger, well your site would grow very well a new site with active members who are buyers in 2014/2015, well yes , you need a higher amount of new sales to have a large member base hope that clears it up |
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Yes, I can see you're trying to make a point that affiliates should, by your numbers (which are based a lot on just your own conjecture), promote your new "modern era" sites over those dusty "old" sites that just rebill. Your numbers don't line up, though, and I'm not sure any affiliate who spends a lot of time promoting these sites would agree with you.
OP, the correct answer to your question is Nikki Sims. I'm not sure how that is even a debate. There are a few sites, maybe 5 or so, that prop up this whole niche. Without any of them, affiliates would not make enough money to even be worth promoting any other sites and the whole house of cards would collapse. Some are newer, and some are more established, but Nikki Sims is at the top of that list. Some others were mentioned in this thread, too, some were not. |
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But agree to disagree, btw, i was an affiliate since 99, prior to my network, i pushed these sites also. Ive been on both sides. And the question wasn't about what affiliates should promote. lol so you missed the point. im saying whats more popular "these days" and what works better since i assumed the OP started this to see whats hot. not what used to be hot and is riding off that. lol hes a webmaster, not a fan. jayman, were you asking for research in what is doing well , for ideas? or were you asking as an affiliate? - it really changes everything And yes nikki is probably the biggest. as she launched at the start of the business and maintained updates and has bigger boobs than ariel. lol if you want biggest memberbase, just look at consistency. mutt doesn't think these nn girls he pushes are the best just because they do well on bods, he understands the type of traffic he has due to the age of his site and his trade partners whats your newest tgp and who are the trade partners? ;) throw up a new tgp, with modern trades and see how well the likes of nikki/kate/ariel do vs popular modern girls. it depends on the traffic you have. and your traffic is oldschool |
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Also, please don't speak for Mutt. I greatly value his opinion on these things and would like to hear what he thinks, not what you think he thinks. |
also a tip for affiliates. if you think long term, you should push anybody who is continuing to give you new content, if you dont, you may not have anymore sites to promote. especially when it comes to solo
i saw sites like bravo/croc avoid adding some of the newer models in recent years and to be honest, the difference between a few big affiliates getting onboard or not, is enough to make or break a solo site. if you want new stuff, help promote new stuff. or all you'll be doing is pushing the same old dusty sites until that well runs dry. also, last i heard, nikki was thinking of hanging up the heels soon |
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I think Destiny facially might be the most beautiful girl ever to do a solo site BUT Aspen is the better model, I've said this since her first shoot, while everybody thought Destiny was going to be a big star I said Aspen is better. |
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average conversion rate? well my sites dont update frequently anymore as i have chosen to move to hardcore, so i couldn't give you the numbers. but i do recall comparing them many times during their lifes with all the other sites. and they were always in same ball park .. well with other sites with similar popularity . looking at conversion rate has always been rather pointless to me.. the smaller a site is, the better it will convert, always been like that since the beginning of time. this is why beta does well, this is why people complain about manwin, etc - the bigger you get, the lower your conversion rate will be. when my conversion rate sucks, i know i've made it. everybodys seen my stuff. my content is everywhere. btw i never said conversion rates are always the asme, i same price per member, which is a stat you can see in ccbill for how much money you make per member, which has to do with rebills. whats your tgp site? so i can check out your trade partners. i can tell you why an old model might do better but i suspect you know why this is the case sometimes |
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NN sells best on Bods - the 2 latest Prism Cash NN girls, Lilyxo and Shannynxo have sold great, the best new solo site girls for Bods in the past 2 years. |
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I agree, I think Doug has done some fine work with Prism Cash.
I haven't promoted Zishy, yet, so I don't know the numbers. I just hope he does well because I like what he is doing. So I guess that is conjecture on my part. |
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Him and John shoot the best photos in this niche by far based on my personal opinion. |
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What is hard about it , is holding back from wanting it to look more and more professional. As a photographer myself, even if you know its not exactly what the fans care about, you care more and more about the technical part of the photography. He puts that aside I'd say its just more unique than difficult or skilled Yeah ill take a photographer who can make girls look good over a more skilled photographer anyday, both zishy and john's photography does that to girls. very very few in the adult industry make girls better than they are. actually i'd go as far as to say, they make them worse. obviously not talking about no makeup to makeup, moreso just what another photographer could do with their makeup and wardrobe vs them |
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That's the art. I'll take that over only day-lit stuff in a rented mansion where the sets are indistinguishable. "Okay now sit on the couch" (Snap 200 photos.) "Okay now stand by the window." (snap 200 photos) "Okay now stand by this... old piano... I guess." We've all been guilty of boiler plate shooting, and sometimes that's what you have to do when you are paying a day rate, have an uninterested model and need the sets to close out the shoot. It takes some artistry and inspiration to accomplish what he is doing, and I'd agree with giving him credit for that. |
we're all giving him credit, its just not really skilled or hard, its just having an eye/artistry/and sticking with amateur. and not caring about profit. which he does not, which hes admitted himself. he didn't care if he only made a bit of extra money. and re: poses, wardrobe, location, all come with just taking more time and shooting less in a day
in this industry, artistry has never paid off. lol 2000 cookie cutter pics from a good photographer will sell more than 20 amazingly unique photos. ive tested quality vs quanity many times before. most programs dont go the route of continually putting out cookie cutter stuff just because they can't do anything else, its done because it gives the owner the most bang for the buck. it also gives them a higher chance of succeeding out of the gate this isn't an industry for artists. ;) thankfully sometimes when you have enough money and arent so obsessed with money and taking it to the next step/or have other sources of income, you can take the time to do things how you want. i have a feeling if you started in 2014/2015, you wouldnt' be spending all the time you do making those little short films you make with your models ;) haha |
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what are you trying to say phad :( lol |
Old and dusty, just how I like 'em!
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http://partyallstar.com/forum-pics/Piano.jpg Yeah what red blooded American guy doesn't know a girl who had an old piano in their nice house, and was always teasing them by playing piano. Man, all this talk about piano is getting me fired up |
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