I'm not sure how much worse off solo girl sites from the rest of the adult industry now but they were never anywhere as big as the best hardcore sites of their time - as successful as Lightspeed was during his run he was a small fraction of what big hardcore programs were doing.

You'd need a bunch of them these days to make good money. Model Centro is a great idea, there will always be porn girls and cam girls who want their own site more for vanity's sake than anything else - Model Centro doesn't shoot content, it's up to the girls to provide it, they just provide the CMS and the billing and take a cut. I had the same idea as others but Stan developed and executed it.

My formula for solo sites and it's basically the same as MikeAI's and Lightspeed's was is pretty dead. I have the most beautiful girl maybe to do porn, of course that's subjective, and her site does very mediocre sales - it was a shock to me when I launched it. I hoped to bring Destiny back and get her involved but honestly it wouldn't make enough of a difference to make it worth my trouble and hers.

I'd still do them on the basis Model Centro and PrismCash which my friend Doug owns runs them - photog and/or model provides the content and we split profits. Girls still can't do these sites on their own, not the young ones anyway, girls need to get into their late 20's at least to have their shit together enough to run their own sites, and I still think not many at that could do it successfully.

Girls for now are better off on MFC, Chaturbate and Streamate - they cam and sell content in one spot, no real need for a membership site. It seems to me that girls are making less on the cam sites, perhaps they're becoming saturated for the amount of interest from guys willing to spend some money. I look inside those MFC chatrooms and see sometimes thousands of guys lurking and jerking but hardly any of them tipping or taking the girl private. There are some pretty lean nights for even the fairly popular girls on cam sites.

Yea man cams are dead.

Amazing tits. Rest is meh.

Anyone got stats on dating traffic?

i missed last phoenix forum, but im heading there this year, so we will for sure by then if youre going

I see somehow a difference between what Pseudonymous and Mutt says ... From what I understand from Pseudonymous that it can be quite profitable even in this times to have a solo girl site but from what Mutt says , things are not going so well ... and I think Mutt's Destiny is quite hot ... I like her more compared to other solo models....

Of course, what is "good" and "bad" is different to everyone but strictly speaking from a ROI point of view is quite good to put $10k up front and get $36k or more, that's around 300% ROI ...

Any opinions here?

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maybe highest solo site in twitter https://twitter.com/vickyvette

Interesting read (at least for me). Not sure why people always think softcore when talking about solo sites. I wouldn't even bother doing a site like that. I guess that is my personal opinion though. these $ amounts seem to low for me, Not sure what the agenda is for posting them. I have a solo site that only gets about 1K hits per day that is pulling that much money in. Also they are not so cookie cutter to shoot as it's being made to sound.

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Mutt launches sites slowly as everybody on this forum knows, he has been sitting on sites for years and years, he needs one site to do pay everything and having one site and sales going down every year, that doesn't work. Its also different because he started this in the prime of things, you can no longer retire off a single website, he also has a photographer as a partner as hes a webmaster. Much different scenarios. People who entered adult in the prime of things have a different view of profit as people in the modern era/mainstream. He is not happy with a 300 percent return. Hes looking at ventures that produce the type of money he was making before. The niche itself is still very profitable, just not enough for him personally

Could you please share what 1k a day site has 400-500 members? which is what figures i've been throwing around for my active sites and mutts, and bryci, and etc - and also tell me how it can be duplicated. if you are speaking of a solo hardcore model, yes they make more. but like i said, the profitable thing about solo softcore is it can be duplicated over and over at ease as there is never a shortage of softcore models looking for alot of easy money. is it as easy to find a hardcore model who is willing to shoot that much content in a single trip? for that kind of pay? not at all. you also have to pay her much more, or shes getting a large percent, etc - tell me this deal with this model and what site has 400-500 members and how many of these models you can find? solo/softcore is extremely easy and profitable and easily duplicated. nothing comes close

you can make more money PER SITE, but you cannot make a larger business. and this is probably why there are no large solo networks dedicated around hardcore solo models. its not cheap enough and not easy enough to duplicate as solo and you might as well just launch a multi girl hardcore network site if youre going to spend on hardcore. you also want to produce better content too if youre dealing with hardcore and more time spent on editing. when youre hardcore, you have alot of competition on tube sites. most of which are higher quailty

Hey JayMan, take a look at top performers who have solo paid membership websites based on the ModelCentro platform :thumbsup

Lexi Lowe - Lexi's Affiliate Program

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You had like 5 of the hottest girls to do porn. You must be doing ok?

He is, higher than average expectations.

Really not trying to put to much out on gfy until we are ready to launch an affiliate program. But the site I'm talking about is LilCandy.com as I said early, It's not so easy as you made it sound. and is harcore with a pretty good size collection of content that took over 5 years to shoot. Your right, Editing this content takes a lot more time than just the solo stuff. We have been working hard getting 8 sites ready before launching an affiliate program then we will continue to keep adding more sites but until then this one site is bringing in enough to keep everything going. Oh, and yes, It has cost me much much more to make this site than what you are saying so it doesn't exactly fall into the types of solo sites your talking about, but is still a "Solo Site".

I'm not arguing, I agree with most that you have said. I guess I'm just saying not all solo sites are the same.


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By the way, You have some super sexy girls and great sites :thumbsup

Some posts are tldr so dunno its posted already or not, but Ashley Doll is there i'm sure....
oh and this is my first post.wow!;)

welcome to GFY Ashley doll :thumbsup

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2 of them are my type ;)

btw, Mutt is another one of the smart ones!!! I don't know Psyudo I don't think but his posts are pretty much right on consistant with my experiences running solo sites.

While Twitter followers and Freeones rankings are fun to jerk off to; the top solo models are the ones who make their affiliates the most money.

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Alex suggests SiriPornstar.com is more popular than ArielRebel.com and that ArielRebel is hugely popular in Portugal, that where a lot of her traffic is coming from.

Google Trends says "Ariel Rebel" is a more common search phrase than "Siri Pornstar"

I guess it depends on what you mean by "solo girl" site, too. For softcore / non-nude CearaLynch.com is interesting.

Mia has no site from all i know.

But i know Mia Khalifa sure wants the dick! :1orglaugh

Do you think Bryci's site is doing better or worse since she started doing hardcore? Just curious.

If Aspen Parker, appearing for the one and only time with DM on 5 Jan 2015, is 'alot' then she is going to have to go some to become frequent. Destiny Moody would have been frustrating to work with, she never stops singing country songs. It's more like a Garth Brooks tribute site at times. How off-putting to members that must be!

Those solo girls I see with a regular following at the moment are Brooke Marks, Meet Madden and Nikki Sims who cam as well as post professionally shot work I think, Got Gizele, Andi Land, and Sarah Peachez still, when she can get her site working.

Well i was also considering candid content, i remember quite a few candid images of them together. And maybe i remember more because ive seen some in aspen's content. ive seen alot of aspen content already, shes gorgeous. In the set with Destiny that was released, she wasn't looking as good as she usually does.

2015?

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...spen-pics.html

and pretty sure i recall seeing more in her members area too

Ive wondered the same

If i were to throw out my guess, i'd predict there was a big spike when she first started doing it, and it gradually went back to about 5-10 percent higher than it would have been if she had never, i think it was a good move but not enough to make up for the 10 percent~ drop a year in the market. Good site, good model and shes done better than almost every model woudl have done if they had launched at the same time.

If i could change somehing about it, i would make their sex life a little less vanilla, and use tubes as a marketing tool instead of being against them. The big reason why hardcore has such an advantage is due to more marketing avenues but if you aren't using them, and still have mainly softcore affiliates, well..

People think the great method is , go softcore and slowly reveal more and more, this IMO, worked better when softcore had a massive following. Nowadays, i think you need to come out of the gate strong (mor graphic) and get those types of affiliates on board, that type of exposure on tubes, that top notch content, etc

Coming out with softcore in a market where they get everything they want on tubes, they just dont care, so who are you really teasing, the few members that signed up?

Just my opinion though.

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Also people are answering his question as hes asking just as a fan, instead of a webmaster. Answering with nikki sims , kates playground, ariel rebel, andiland, is all pointless.

Also what is bigger, a site with 600 rebillers (from years back) and getting a few sales a day and dropping every year, or a site that launched in the modern era maintaining itself with 10 new sales a day and 400 members ?

Considering the question is usually asked to see who is most popular, models who built their empires back 10 years ago and have just been updating regularly to slow the process of declining arent' exactly the ones i'd throw out first. especially to a webmaster who is looking at gaining knowledge and better himself as a webmaster

I thought Aspen looked mediocre in this set together, comparing her against those candids you've included, pre the pierced nipple. You'll be right, I'lll be wrong, trusting to my poor memory. It's just that when I saw this recent update I thought all the other Destiny Moody sets and videos on the site so far were solo only. It's definitely January 2015, the set released with those two, I even had to double check 2015 is the present year as I am not used to it yet.

A site making 10 new sales a day and holding only 400 members is not a very good site to send traffic to as an affiliate. It means most members are cancelling right away.

lol i was giving a hypothetical situation. but lets use the scenario regardless... you are wrong, unless you think a couple months is right away. which is not for the typical surfer in 2014/15. the only reason you see higher $ per member is due to very very old members skewing the final number

btw, basically all solo sites rebill at around the same percent. its the exact same business model, almost all update once or twice a week max, almost all have similar affiliates, they all have the same promo tools, etc. all active ones will anyway.

but yeah i rounded up to 10 and i also maybe rounded down when it came to member base. but its not far off. it was clear the point i was making so overanalyzing the numbers i gave would steer it away from the point i was trying to make

maybe you see it that way because you have old sites, old sites typically have a large amount of old rebillers who have been rebilling for a long time, which means adding 10 new sales a day to a site with a solid base of inactive members from when the site was much bigger, well your site would grow very well

a new site with active members who are buyers in 2014/2015, well yes , you need a higher amount of new sales to have a large member base

hope that clears it up

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Yeah. Rico is a nice guy and Ariel is pretty hot :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Yes, I can see you're trying to make a point that affiliates should, by your numbers (which are based a lot on just your own conjecture), promote your new "modern era" sites over those dusty "old" sites that just rebill. Your numbers don't line up, though, and I'm not sure any affiliate who spends a lot of time promoting these sites would agree with you.

OP, the correct answer to your question is Nikki Sims. I'm not sure how that is even a debate. There are a few sites, maybe 5 or so, that prop up this whole niche. Without any of them, affiliates would not make enough money to even be worth promoting any other sites and the whole house of cards would collapse. Some are newer, and some are more established, but Nikki Sims is at the top of that list. Some others were mentioned in this thread, too, some were not.

I hear this from alot of oldschool webmasters, they have oldschool tgps with most of their trades being inactive sites from NN days, most of their traffic are fans of dated amateur/oldschool models, the oldschool models still do well on their sites and they think theyre just as good as any other model and could launch these days and still be the top. Not a chance.

But agree to disagree, btw, i was an affiliate since 99, prior to my network, i pushed these sites also. Ive been on both sides.

And the question wasn't about what affiliates should promote. lol so you missed the point. im saying whats more popular "these days" and what works better since i assumed the OP started this to see whats hot. not what used to be hot and is riding off that. lol hes a webmaster, not a fan.

jayman, were you asking for research in what is doing well , for ideas? or were you asking as an affiliate? - it really changes everything

And yes nikki is probably the biggest. as she launched at the start of the business and maintained updates and has bigger boobs than ariel. lol if you want biggest memberbase, just look at consistency.

mutt doesn't think these nn girls he pushes are the best just because they do well on bods, he understands the type of traffic he has due to the age of his site and his trade partners

whats your newest tgp and who are the trade partners? ;) throw up a new tgp, with modern trades and see how well the likes of nikki/kate/ariel do vs popular modern girls. it depends on the traffic you have. and your traffic is oldschool

That was true 5 years ago - today a sale is a sale, I'll take the 14 dollars for the original signup. Bods sells Zishy, I just checked the 'conversion stats' - a Zishy signup is worth $10.53 per member, I can do the same with the x-art and ftvgirls, two great sites you'd think would rebill great, they don't rebill any better on Bods that your average solo site and less than some of the really good solo sites, of course that is probably because Bods surfers are solo site fans. So a one month and done sale on a solo girl site at 25-30 dollars is worth more than a Zishy sale.

Ryan, what are the average conversion rates of your sites for affiliates? I didn't start promoting these types of sites as an affiliate until 2012. I'd say I have a pretty good grasp on what is going on along with talking to the other guys who promote these sites exclusively. There are all kinds of ways to spin numbers, but you said yourself all these sites have the same affiliates.

Also, please don't speak for Mutt. I greatly value his opinion on these things and would like to hear what he thinks, not what you think he thinks.

also a tip for affiliates. if you think long term, you should push anybody who is continuing to give you new content, if you dont, you may not have anymore sites to promote. especially when it comes to solo

i saw sites like bravo/croc avoid adding some of the newer models in recent years and to be honest, the difference between a few big affiliates getting onboard or not, is enough to make or break a solo site. if you want new stuff, help promote new stuff. or all you'll be doing is pushing the same old dusty sites until that well runs dry.

also, last i heard, nikki was thinking of hanging up the heels soon

That's true, I debated even releasing that set with Aspen. She was just a few weeks past her 18th birthday and had just flown down to Arkansas to do her first photo shoot, so John just plopped her down with Destiny right off the plane as he was shooting Destiny. So Aspen had no styling whatsoever and doesn't look good. There was also a height differential, Aspen is I think 4 inches taller than Destiny.

I think Destiny facially might be the most beautiful girl ever to do a solo site BUT Aspen is the better model, I've said this since her first shoot, while everybody thought Destiny was going to be a big star I said Aspen is better.