I agree. But not that most woman want to be left alone. If it's done with some class and respect, I'm sure most women enjoy the attention. I met my girlfriend sparking up a conversation in the street. And while I'm sure neither of us had it planned, it's a normal way for peopleto meet.

Class.... Respect... Good Manners.... It's 3 things that are very much lacking today amongst men.

If a man see's a woman at a bus stop and he finds her interesting. Then if he is polite, respectful and approaches her with class. I'm sure that woman won't be offended.

But a man that's doing things like

• Taking pictures of women's asses
• Making stupid sexual comments
• Trying dumb ass pick up lines
• Hitting on each woman that passes in front of him

Such men just make ALL OF US MEN look bad. They're not doing any of us any favors.

I can't see that happening, not even in the slightest

so the amount of free, extreme porn out there today and for the last say, 3 years - and a study has already debunked that it will have/has had no effect on shaping the attitudes of males aged 12 - 15 towards women? give me a fucking break lol, that's akin to turning the heating on and taking the room temperature 3 seconds later, and concluding heating has no bearing on room temperature.

I'm far from knocking porn, I'm saying anyone who thinks that what 12 - 15 year old boys can see today 24/7 any old where they choose with regards to how women are portrayed isn't going to have an effect 10 years down the line is living in dreamland.

Women are a lot more complex than guys when it comes to attraction. I look at the formula of attracting women similar to the marketing formula "AIDA"

Attention: Things like money, cars and good looks open doors to a wider number of prospects. It gets you past the initial filters. This is like your dress code & cover charge to get into the club. The more "exlcusive" the club, the higher the bar to entry (no pun intended).

Interest: Intelligence, personality, the way she feels around you, the way other people interact with you/respond to you, your reputation etc.

Desire: Keep her piqued mentally. Sex for women is mostly a mental experience. What happens outside of the bedroom is important to set the stage for what happens in the bedroom.

Action: If you played your cards right up until this point, this seals the deal.

This should get you through the first date.

Simply my own way of looking at it based on my own experience.

To what new extreme porn you refer?

You fail to see that porn is not the only thing people see and know, and people have usually some common sense. And besides, you talk only about effect in general, or how women are portrayed. What kind of effect? Positive, negative? Everything has some kind of effect, at least how one's time is used.

Are the effects of pornography negligible? -- ScienceDaily

"In spite of a growing presence of pornography in contemporary life, little is known about its potential effects on young people?s sexual socialization and sexual satisfaction. In this article, we present a theoretical model of the effects of sexually explicit materials (SEM) mediated by sexual scripting and moderated by the type of SEM used. An on-line survey dataset that included 650 young Croatian men aged 18?25 years was used to explore empirically the model. Descriptive findings pointed to significant differences between mainstream and paraphilic SEM users in frequency of SEM use at the age of 14, current SEM use, frequency of masturbation, sexual boredom, acceptance of sex myths, and sexual compulsiveness. In testing the model, a novel instrument was used, the Sexual Scripts Overlap Scale, designed to measure the influence of SEM on sexual socialization. Structural equation analyses suggested that negative effects of early exposure to SEM on young men?s sexual satisfaction, albeit small, could be stronger than positive effects. Both positive and negative effects?the latter being expressed through suppression of intimacy?were observed only among users of paraphilic SEM. No effect of early exposure to SEM was found among the mainstream SEM users. To counterbalance moral panic but also glamorization of pornography, sex education programs should incorporate contents that would increase media literacy and assist young people in critical interpretation of pornographic imagery."

Pornography, Sexual Socialization, and Satisfaction Among Young Men - Springer

I would have to say yes. Most men can control their violent base instincts but many cannot. So we have anything from rape to harassment to annoyance. I suppose a woman would answer it's a matter of degrees. Shrug.

I'm very Pro-chick. :)

you fail to see my point made about how we as adults view porn, and how undeveloped hormonal teen boys view porn, and in turn, women.

you fail to understand I am talking about 12 - 15 year old kids, and how their perception of things are shaped, as ours were when we were that age, and you fail to understand that what you know now, you didn't, nor possibly could have, known at 12 years old.

You fail to grasp that double anal, pissing, scat, choking/gagging, hard bdsm, fantasy rape, etc etc etc are of course fine, and there is nothing wrong with any of it, because we are fully developed adults, and understand what kinks, fetishes, role-playing, and fantasies are.

You fail to comprehend a study in 2009, of a grand total of 20 men, who were all in their twenties in 2009, so were at the youngest possible, looking at internet porn aged 10 in 1999, has no relevance to what is today - which is, a far cry from what kind of porn they would have been easily accessing, and widespread, when they were 12 - 15 (or 10, if as the study says, is the age 'most' boys seek out porn.

You fail to see my point is nothing, nada, zip, fuck all to do with some kind of 'porn is bad mkay' POV, and all to do with the vastly different scenarios of what we looked at when we were 10 - 15 (to use that study's numbers), and what the 10 - 15 year old boys of today are looking at, and seeing as normal, rather than the kink/fetish/roleplay/fantasy we as adults know it to be.

Unless of course, the world suddenly changed since I was a teenager, and all teen boys are now the most rational, level-headed, well-adjusted, and mentally rounded people you could hope to meet :1orglaugh

Fascinating. Totally irrelevant to what I'm saying though. Come back in 10 years when a study has been done on attitudes to women from what are today's 10 year old boys, watching today's offering of porn in the amounts they are able to, and if I'm wrong *then*, then I'll be both wrong and pleased :thumbsup

Viewing porn doesn't equal to how to view women. Unless it is their only contact to women. Most have mom to start with, even if they live in some fucking desert with internet access that has only porn and nothing else.

You think that people will just randomly watch any shit that comes in front of them? At the time boys start to watch porn, they have had significant exposure to the world. Unless they fling their feces daily basis, they probably aren't that into for pissing, etc., or to violence if they have lived in normal society that doesn't watch violence for good.

Offering of porn hasn't changed significantly, unless you really want to watch all the shit that is out there. Most people don't want to do that. For starters we are not "blanks"; our genes set most of the framework, and by the porn watching age, the not gene related stuff has mostly already set. Besides, porn is not the only thing to get exposure from; there are TV-shows, movies and games. Kids have had exposure to those way before watching porn.

Dude, I was responding to the OP's scenario. Which is, to my understanding, was something along the lines of... you're in public. You take a quick glance over your shoulder to look at something, say, a clock on a far wall. And then you couldn't quite see it because some woman's head is partially blocking the view. So you look again. And this woman gives you a bitchy look, assuming incorrectly, that the reason you were looking in her direction, in both instances, was to check HER out.

To which, if I found myself in my understanding of the OP's scenario, I would probably give her a look, roll my eyes, shake my head, or whatthefuckever, thinking to myself about her "you fuckin idiot." Because that's exactly how I'd feel in such a ludicrous situation. You see, just about any woman would be a HUGE step down from the woman I already have. And for a plain, unsexy woman to assume I'd even consider giving that up for HER...rubbish.

I apologize to a few of you for not being more clear about what I was trying to say.

Yeap, so wank off before you leave your house..:2 cents: :1orglaugh

They should just ask me what the effects are.
I've got mountains of footage of young people trying to become "porn stars". Damien Michaels could be considered functional compared to what's come through my doors the last 4 years. At least with Damien Michaels his dick worked.