Say what you want about Mike South but I remember him telling Fabian that he would see him in prison. Many of the same people posting here laughed and made fun of him and others for it. Then it happened and now it looks like it is going to happen again for much longer. It's too bad a good industry ass licking can't save you from the government, eh?

PS- I hope the feds and the various EU tax authorities are reading this and other threads on GFY to look for other possible targets who are guilty of nearly the same thing. Wouldn't that be great? :)

You either do not believe the things you write on GFY and are wasting time writing them... or worse... you actually do believe them. :2 cents:

OK then :thumbsup

Gibt es jemanden wichtiger als Mike South als Mike South selbst? Nein. Mike South ist wichtiger. Mike South Ego ist wichtiger. Und Mike South weiß nur eins, Mike South. Als Mike South gibt es nur Mike South. Egozentrische Mike Süden. Mike südlich der Egomane. Mike South einen Identitätswechsel Mike Süd-und natürlich Mike Süden selbst zu tun. Niemand sonst auf der Welt - aber Mike South - existiert. Es ist wirklich nur ein Mike-South.

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I think we all understand you want the credit and the 'scoop' for the Fabian thing Mike, but you seem to have lost a bit of respect here, hmm? I've been following your stuff for years, but you lost a lot of respect from myself & the company I work for when you put Diez's ad space at the top of your site for months and months and months on end without ever noting what was going on here. You write about piracy all the time yet at the exact same time you have pirate ad space right at the top of your site. Go figure.

I see that he is finally gone now from your domain, but I stopped visiting a long time ago. Your ego just needs so much TLC that I couldn't keep up.

It seems you might lurk here, but paid no attention because of course you were paid by him to put up the ad space and you apparently needed the money 'that bad' as to promote piracy on your anti-piracy site...

With that said, you have been calling out Manwin for a long time and I'm sure the others here commend you on it. In fact, most of the companies that have been known for years here are now owned by them. But the fact that your initial thread post lead to one of the funniest threads in history only begs the question, why?

I almost wet my pants reading this thread it was too TOO funny.

Got another 'news alert'? Or don't you want to give it over to AVN or XBIZ?

Oh, that's right. They are owned by Manwin too.

Guess this place is your best bet.

Your's truly,
T :thumbsup

[QUOTE=Tinara;20457202]Gibt es jemanden wichtiger als Mike South als Mike South selbst? Nein. Mike South ist wichtiger. Mike South Ego ist wichtiger. Und Mike South weiß nur eins, Mike South. Als Mike South gibt es nur Mike South. Egozentrische Mike Süden. Mike südlich der Egomane. Mike South einen Identitätswechsel Mike Süd-und natürlich Mike Süden selbst zu tun. Niemand sonst auf der Welt - aber Mike South - existiert. Es ist wirklich nur ein Mike-South.

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I think we all understand you want the credit and the 'scoop' for the Fabian thing Mike, but you seem to have lost a bit of respect here, hmm? I've been following your stuff for years, but you lost a lot of respect from myself & the company I work for when you put Diez's ad space at the top of your site for months and months and months on end without ever noting what was going on here.

You make a legit point there at the time the sites passed my rules, no stolen content etc...they did have some galleries from manwin sites but that wasnt a deal breaker. they paid a lot of money for that header and they paid for a whole year in advance. When it came up for renewal I nixed it. Ya i coulda used the cash but in the end it wasnt worth it. It clearly violated my policy.

I do get quite a bit of email (a lot from the stagliano stoy) from company owners pointing out that AVN and XBiz wont run stories like that even though in the end it helps them to know how OSHA targets and fines companies...it may dsave them from the same fate.

I try to make sure that if something useful comes up I run it. for all the laughing here the Fabian story is in fact a big one. I was under the idea that Fabian had bought his way out of being prosecuted but that showed it wasnt the case. It also points out some of the things that could come up in the trial that might make Manwin/MindGeek very nervous...as well as shining more light onto the operations of Manwin.

All of this at a time when Manwin can little afford the scrutiny.

Your money is in motion...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Oh I'm so laughing

Fabian dindu nuffins

that's a pretty sick collage

Needs some titty photos is all.

"The Epic of Manwin Fabian and NATS, The Walls Are About To Come Tumbling Down"

Some background is required

here

for those that don?t know
Fabians history. Fabian Thylmann was
the chief engineer of affiliate tracking

software

Called NATS. It was
very comprehensive
software (still is) that was

used

by adult webmasters to track
and pay affiliates
among other things

and

NATS had lots of features.

Interestingly many of the features of NATS
would aid
in exactly what
German prosecutors have accused

Fabian

of doing NATS allows you to specify
billers on a per country basis,
and that obviously could include making
sure that the customer never buys
a membership from a company
in the same country?. thus avoiding

tax.

European customers for instance could
be sent outside
of the EU to buy
their membership.

It also works in the other direction?
hiring ?amateur? cam operators in Germany,
then paying them through an offshore company
rather than paying them directly
in Germany.

This is done specifically
to avoid
employment taxes and all the legal responsibilities
(and contract law implications) that exist
if they were to do business directly.
By moving it

offshore,

they can pretty much dictate
the terms of the contract,

claim

to not be liable
for workplace or taxation issues,
and generally ignore local law.

This explains an awful lot?
like why Manwin doesn?t send
checks to performers
(or anyone really)

instead

they get wire transfers
from banks outside the USA.
Tney use this same structure
through all of their companies.

Manwin has got to be sweating

bullets

over Fabians indictment?
I told you
this is going to shine
light into the corners
where the cockroaches

are?.

It's coming.

And if The FSC has a lick
of sense they better be
making sure their books are squeaky
clean too because Manwin is
the only thing that has kept them

afloat

the last few years.
Im reminded of an old John
Cougar Melloncamp

song?.

When The Walls Come
Crumbling

Down?

THE ABSOLUTE BEST VERSION!

:bowdown

Not sure how software is liable.

What I do know is that TMM John has a lot of fuck you money. I hope he uses some of it to tie you up in litigation for shits and giggles.

Also fuck you for your shirty STD testing policies.

Your broke ass may be the next one to introduce an STD to the adult industry.

Fucking hypocrite. Manwin fucks with money. You fuck with peoples lives.

Are you the only one who got it? I put 5 minutes of my life into that!

I appreciate those 5 minutes!

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I hate to talk logically here Mike, but do you have proof that Fabian and Manwin did all of this, or is it just speculation on your part?

Because some of the things you're saying here go beyond free speech and cross the lines of libel.

100 crumbled walls

I would be interested to see whether either of these gentlemen feels compelled to bestir himself and file suit. I'm sure the world would enjoy the discovery that would ensue and I also very much doubt it. I feel certain that what will happen is what has always happened; that they will neither comment nor retaliate, and will hope all this goes away.

there is nothing there that is libelous at any level, If there were I'm sure I would hear from them. Its written carefully.

I am no lawyer but I don't see how what you describe is any different from the way most multinational companies operate, they leverage their various offshore entities to pay as little tax as possible. Works well and does not appear to be illegal, at least in the USA.

It may be illegal in Germany, I have no idea.

Cliff notes please??

cliff notes version
 

before AVN and XBiz

From Mike

background required for Fabian engineer of NATS, software used by adult webmasters to track affiliates, with lots of features.

Features of NATS aid what prosecutors accuse Fabian of . NATS allows to specify billers and making a customer never buy a membership in the same country….avoiding tax.

It works in the other direction… hiring cam operators in Germany paying them through an offshore company rather than paying in Germany, avoiding taxes and legal responsibilities Offshore, they can dictate terms , and ignore law.

Manwin doesn’t send checks ; they get wire transfers from banks outside the USA. Tney use this through all companies.

Manwin has got to be sweating… this shines light into the corners It's coming.

And if The FSC has sense they better be sure their books are clean because Manwin keeps them afloat.

Im reminded of a Melloncamp song….When The Walls Come Crumbling Down…

A hypocrite whose only connection to the real adult industry is his inbox is talking shit on others. Just another day on GFY.

I haven't followed this for a long time but isn't this case about using improper tax jurisdiction to pay reduced taxes rather than complete tax avoidance like you state in your article ?

From my experience they aren't the first nor the last to use offshore and avoid taxes. Hope this is a wake up call for other large companies out there, that after Manwin - they may start saying, "what about other large adult companies?"

I don't know one way or the other about Manwin's alleged tax evasion and I am just here to goof on the whole situation but being "offshore" doesn't immediately mean "tax evasion" especially in companies that do biz all over the world. Offshore companies still pay tax when the money comes back into whatever country, but there may or may not be tax reduction strategies, which is just good business, not illegal. So not sure what you are saying about "what about other adult companies". I know several that are very legit tax paying companies that are model corporate "citizens" that use offshore entities very legitimately. :2 cents: