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NatalieK 10-08-2016 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 21207301)
Actually I don't need them. When a sponsor is a dick about it I pull links. When necessary I can source content and not have to worry with the drama, it's just stupid to do so when I could be promoting the actual idiot on cam.

sorry, but you do & Barry has said many points that are true to fact.

Webmasters make their money from the models and the cam sites. Continue with that attitude and most models & cam sites wouldn't want your traffic, preferring to get their our own traffic from our social media.

Many models, as I do, promote on social media, your extra 1000 hits a day to a whole cam site is nothing compared to a single model with 150k followers.

I don't use regular camsites on a daily basis as I prefer AdultWork, I have regular clients. I can leave the cam online in private & my regulars come in through the day or evening.

When I do use camsites, the small amount of traffic sent from the affiliate to that camsite, the passing traffic, is minimal compared to regular clients found from our own socializing :2 cents:

JSWENSON 10-08-2016 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21207376)
sorry, but you do & Barry has said many points that are true to fact.

No, I really don't.

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Webmasters make their money from the models and the cam sites. Continue with that attitude and most models & cam sites wouldn't want your traffic, preferring to get their our own traffic from our social media.
I have never had a cam site turn down my traffic and have been sending it since 2003.

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Many models, as I do, promote on social media, your extra 1000 hits a day to a whole cam site is nothing compared to a single model with 150k followers.
I make more money than most camgirls do on their own shit. Your 150k follower b/s is exactly that, bullshit. For every 1 model with 150k followers there are 150k with less than 20.

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I don't use regular camsites on a daily basis as I prefer AdultWork, I have regular clients. I can leave the cam online in private & my regulars come in through the day or evening.
Congratulations.

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When I do use camsites, the small amount of traffic sent from the affiliate to that camsite, the passing traffic, is minimal compared to regular clients found from our own socializing :2 cents:
Absolute horse shit. My entire Twitter is nothing but cam girls with egos the size of Dallas but non existent marketing skills. "I'm showing my pussy at 5" isn't exactly a talent.

incredibleworkethic 10-08-2016 06:59 AM

I understand the frustration. I wish we were able to have promo tools for all cam girls. (screens, small clips, but essentially not giving it ALL away)

NatalieK 10-08-2016 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWENSON (Post 21207379)
No, I really don't.

I have never had a cam site turn down my traffic and have been sending it since 2003.

I'm not going to argue with you over fact or hear say regarding social media followers & that kind of stuff, especially after your kind congrats, thank you for that. & likewise, congratulations being in business, obviously successful, since 2003 :kisskiss

However, if you've been in the business that long, why are you so pessimistic against a cam girl not agreeing to share their photos, they've not signed model release. They could make it without your traffic, but fact is without them your traffic wouldn't sell as their would be no models on the cam sites.

Why not appreciate the models respected choice, providing the cam only, not have her images shown over the net, so be it. I'm slightly protective towards other models, I should have said "a webmaster needs the model & the model needs the quality traffic".

Just to confirm, I allow my affiliates to use any of my content & are welcomed to message me personally for special content. I'm here for business & do want more quality traffic, so i'm not bias here, I think images should be used for sales by webmasters :thumbsup

Paul Markham 10-08-2016 07:31 AM

Once it's online no one has control of it. If models haven't learned that yet, they need to be taught.

marlboroack 10-08-2016 10:34 PM

No1 has control

BlackAndBlue 04-06-2017 03:01 PM

GFY needs a "like" button for posts. ;)

INever 04-08-2017 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20499756)
:1orglaugh "it would be better to educate the models"

Be careful what you ask for you might get it ... The models don't need you -- you need them to make conversions and sales.

Working together would be the ideal situation.

Barry-xlovecam 04-08-2017 04:58 AM

Why do filmakers and video producers think that they control the use their content. Your argument is hypocritical and total garbage.

Copyright is copyright or everybody owns everything. You can't have it both ways -- grow the fuck up.

Andreweb 04-08-2017 09:54 AM

It would be great if they will have some kind of system to separete the girls that want to be promoted from those who don't want! And those who want extra promotion should offer to the affiliates some promo material like photos and videos!

In the other hand I understand the cam girls! They are human beings like us and not all of them understand how the promotion works! And most of them are scared when they found photos and videos of them over the internet.

Barry-xlovecam 04-08-2017 10:23 AM

We publish images in XML feeds that are of models that Affiliates are free to use in promotion -- the problem is with unauthorized screen caps.

We reserve the right to withdraw the image permissions -- we own the copyright but generally respect model requests for their removal -- the same for videos -- we will be releasing 20K? in mp4 that can be streamed in OUR embedded player on Your website -- we own the content and control its use <period>.

There are tons of images you can hot-link for promotion.

The Porn Nerd 04-08-2017 10:23 AM

It still fucking AMAZES me - it's 2017, technology, social media, the Internet and smart phones are EVERYWHERE and yet girls act shocked when their naked image is seen not just in a chat room or cam show.

Girls really are incredibly fucking stupid, short sighted, ignorant, uneducated and dumb as rocks. God bless 'em. LOL

nm_ 04-08-2017 10:36 AM

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NatalieK 04-08-2017 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 21691147)
It still fucking AMAZES me - it's 2017, technology, social media, the Internet and smart phones are EVERYWHERE and yet girls act shocked when their naked image is seen not just in a chat room or cam show.

Girls really are incredibly fucking stupid, short sighted, ignorant, uneducated and dumb as rocks. God bless 'em. LOL

stop acting stupid. The models that want to live cam, earn extra cash, not be promoted and not have their faces spread around the world, you say are stupid?

Why do you not have your face as with every other webmaster on forums? Nice to stay behind a pc?

Chaturbate and many other websites like adultwork do not need your traffic, itīs just handy to have more...

guys will find cam sites as I find my own traffic. I think itīs stupid half of the webmasters here donīt promote me & earn big bucks when Iīve loads of pics you can use :2 cents:

The Porn Nerd 04-08-2017 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21691411)

guys will find cam sites as I find my own traffic. I think itīs stupid half of the webmasters here donīt promote me & earn big bucks when Iīve loads of pics you can use :2 cents:

Good God Gary stop being an asswipe idiot fuck. This isn't about YOU you spammy fuckwit.

Listen women of the world, here's a PRO LIFE TIP for y'all: If you get naked and/or shove a dildo up your cooch in front of a camera just assume every human being on Earth will eventually see it.

You're welcome.

Holy Damage 05-06-2018 07:43 PM

I know this is a old thread, but how is this nowdays?

j3rkules 05-07-2018 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Holy Damage (Post 22265342)
I know this is a old thread, but how is this nowdays?

Nothing has changed in that matter, as far as I know...


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