Odd coming from someone with no education.

These are all verifiable facts. Only uneducated idiots argue against them.

think about how fucking stupid this is.

the South announces plans to secede and fires the first shots to start the war, so you think the North defends itself and the union on account of black slaves?

that's entirely illogical. and you claim i'm falling for some bullshit? jtfc.

Agreed you're a fucking retard.

Yes but what about Lynyrd Skynyrd?

Freebird!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you're a Canadian with zero comprehension of American history and an unhealthy obsession to mario. Which pretty much makes you a fucking retard.

Look stupid i don't have a need to explain things to idiots (you) who choose to walk through life with blinders on.

If you really think a group of rich and powerful whites would go to war just to save poor old jimbo blacky you need to have your brain examined.

Every massive occurance needs some do gooder excuse or false cover to herd the population of sheep (you) into believing the goal.

And who wrote these?

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

Aliens?

Stick to what you know, which from what I can tell is coming up with fantasies about picking up girls at the mall in your Guess jeans.

People who feel empowered and energized by dividing people don't find appreciation or joy in events that unite people. :2 cents:

while google is NOT the go to for learning about the Civil War, let's still examine the top results from a google search for

"causes of the civil war"
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22c...e+Civil+War%22

the blurb Google shows for this is::

While many still debate the ultimate causes of the Civil War, Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson writes that, "The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries."





next, let's examine the top 3 links google shows for that search term

the first is
Causes Of The Civil War

from there:
"The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union, however, was the debate over the future of slavery. That dispute led to secession, and secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution."




the next link Top Five Causes of the Civil War - American History

"1. Economic and social differences between the North and the South.

With Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin in 1793, cotton became very profitable. This machine was able to reduce the time it took to separate seeds from the cotton. However, at the same time the increase in the number of plantations willing to move from other crops to cotton meant the greater need for a large amount of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Thus, the southern economy became a one crop economy, depending on cotton and therefore on slavery."




the 3rd link result from the search term "causes of the civil war" is Causes Of The Civil War | History Detectives | PBS

from there the #1 cause of the Civil War:

"What led to the outbreak of the bloodiest conflict in the history of North America? A common explanation is that the Civil War was fought over the moral issue of slavery. In fact, it was the economics of slavery and political control of that system that was central to the conflict."


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Look stupid, you can't even come up with your own arguments. the best you can do is copy and paste links and not even discuss any meaning in what you posted.

masssa pleeeeaaase

Let me ask this again to people:

You really believe rich and powerful white people started the civil war to protect a bunch of black slaves?

THAT WAS THE TRUE REASON THAT YOU BELIEVE IN?

its pretty stupid to think those people are dead because of a flag, makes no sense.

taking away inanimate objects will never stop the ideology.

Interesting, the states rights to allow by law its landholding rich class to own other men's labors in servitude.

The Germans do not hold the Nazi flag as part of their glory the Japanese do not fly the rising sun battle flag of Japan. But for some reason in the USA the battle flag of the losers is admired by some ...

Some heritage ...

"possibly numerous reasons" how could there "possibly" be. You stopped short of saying there WERE numerous reasons.

How about rich and powerful white men wanting to keep control over a very rich and productive area through taxes. Wanting to enrich themselves. Hmmm no that wouldn't make much sense.

Instead it must be a group of rich and powerful white men (most likely extreme racists in the day) wanting to free a bunch of blacks. Ya ya that must be it...

Some of you people are hilarious. You create some fairy tale world in your brain and have 0 capability of seeing through smoke screens.

serious response:

no, i don't believe that was the reason. because that wasn't the reason. it wasn't to morally protect black slaves. it was to protect the economic and political systems of slavery.


and sure, there were secondary and tertiary reasons, militias, states rights, etc. but those also hinge around protecting the entrenched system.

Lets take your point a step further. To me it was basically economic terrorism against the south knowing full well the necessity of slaves to keep the farms churning which was the majority of their economy.

Cut off slavery, cut off huge parts of the economy, cut off their wealth and power. Thus making it easier to control them and bring them under the Unions umbrella.

Telling the population "we want to go to war to stop other Americans earning potential so we can control them" doesn't have as nice a ring as "liberty and freedom for all".

It is not about the slaves it was and IS always about CONTROL. Especially ECONOMIC CONTROL.

Tell the Jews they are pretty fucking stupid to care about a swastika that never killed them.

I bet you don't dare.

I bet you're scared shitless of Jews, you wouldn't flag a Nazi flag out of pure fear.


:1orglaugh

i don't disagree with the premise, except history shows this happened the other way around. the SOuth seceded on account of Lincoln's government, which didn't acknowledge the seccession, thus, the South then started the war.

here's the thing, this is the most complicated and controversial period in American history, this debate still lingers and i get that, historians have often times clouded the issue due to its' emotional impact and people identifying with their own groups.

I'm not trying to claim i'm right and you are wrong, but i had to clear up the personal slur that educated people would never think that slavery was the cause of the Civil War.

Something people are missing about that flag. I do 100% understand that it caries a lot of Negative thoughts and feelings with it because historically people have said the flag and the separation were for Slavery.

And yes that was one of the points of the break of the union but it was also for the idea of freedom and Autonomy from the Feds to have the RIGHT to have slaves and have the RIGHT to have state laws that either made it Legal or not.

I always think it's funny since they lost the war on slavery.

Shouldn't they be worshipping the white surrender flag?

they cut them up and made halloween costumes!!

http://madmikesamerica.com/wp-conten...11/02/sons.jpg
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:2 cents::2 cents:

If it was a minority group you could easily reclaim the flag but....But a country with a culture is going to allow it.

...because it was a flag that killed them.

What the fuck, why for F sake is this thread on GFY??? and why didn´t any moderator delete this shit and dum dum so dum pics from this forum, you all have to be a shame of yourself being such dum, not educated and ignorant people, get a life!

yes those are the same people that believe Iraq war was about weapons of mass destruction :thumbsup

I'm not so sure about that one... it's an interesting argument however I'm sure the blacks don't identify as 'southern' or of being a part of 'southern culture' ....

I would say that the St Andrews cross is more a representation or statement of agrarian vrs industrial societies if anything....

and if you listen to country music, southern culture is defined by family, god and service to country as well as being a good ole boy or in general, a fuck head drunk, which goes back to Celtic culture....

if you actually believe the civil was about slaves then obviously you believe the Iraq war was about weapons of mass destruction...

or were you thinking the Sothern states were going to write 'the northern industrials paid off the Yankee politicians to take our money and use it for expansion in the west, so we quit fuck you....?

at some point you need to buy a vowel homy :helpme

:2 cents:

[QUOTE=L-Pink;20509659]You have lived in the south long enough to understand the mindset

That would require attending school and paying attention to their history classes; we both know that never happened