the real fucking morons are the ones who try to conflate this with gun control, either side.

So how do propose to strip all of the gang-bangers and other street level criminals of their guns?

The US cannot and/or refuses to stop the flow of illegal people across their border. Do you honestly think they would be able to stop the flow of illegal guns?

At this point increased gun restrictions would only hurt (mostly) law abiding citizens.


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The War on Drugs has been a wonderful success.

Anyone that thinks we can prohibit guns must have never learned what happened when we tried to prohibit liquor.

Do what we did, have a gun amnesty and destroy every automatic and semi automatic weapon. Then secure your border.

Australia has a much bigger border to control than the US, it's our whole coastline spanning oceans and straits with south east asia at our door.

If Australia can (mostly) do it with less far less resources and man power than the US has then the US can do it.

It's all about political will.

But at the end of the day it doesn't affect me directly. I don't live in a country where the right to own a sub machine gun outweighs the right of people not to be mowed down by one.

How many Americans have been mowed down by a submachine gun?

Liquor and drugs are not guns

not many...which suggests gun controls work when they are federal & strictly enforced?

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I was using a cacophemism for automatic and semi-automatic firearms.

Sorry that you couldn't comprehend that.

Premeditated acts of revenge will happen no matter what. In the above case a more effective weapon would have been a shortened auto or pump shotgun which will never be illegal. With a pistol he could have missed every shot.

Regardless of any laws passed, if you really want a pistol it's as simple as going to the local drug areas and buying another illegal commodity.

I fully comprehend your needing to make extreme examples to rationalize your judgement calls.

This discussion isn't about gun control, its about foreigners pointing fingers, making extreme examples and thinking prohibition is an answer. Again, prohibition caused more crime and taxes and government interventions than before prohibition.

The only extreme thing in all of this is how many Americans die at the hands of someone with a firearm.

Feel free to let that continue.

America expressed confounded outrage at 3000 people being killed by terrorists in 2001 and then reacted with determination.

However at least 130,000 Americans were murdered by firearms at the hands of your own citizens since then and it's allowed to continue unabated because nobody has the balls to do anything about it.

Keep your 1791 outdated amendment, as a nation the USA deserves it for being so dumb on this issue.

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On This Day: 21 Killed in McDonald?s Massacre

Gfy is for opinions. You've made yours clear.

It's much easier with a firearm because with a firearm you are sure to hurt someone without being hurt yourself. Meaning, if he went after her with a knife he most likely wouldn't have hurt her too badly and would have been over powered and caught at the scene.

35 years ago. I've eaten at fast food joints plenty of times since then.

Not that simple. The right to bear arms is part of the basic law in the USA. Any 5 grade history student knows that. Constitutional Amendments like the #1- #5 are more important that the biblical top 10 to most citizens of the USA.

Like I said it is cultural. Maybe, in Oz you have different laws of guarantees of freedoms (or rights). Again, if you were a 5th grade history student you would know what it takes to change the US Constitution -- to repeal an amendment.

Look it up ...

The US Supreme Court has made numerous decisions on the restrictions of lawfully owned firearms. I think we accept it as the price we pay for the right to bear arms. FYI, people going postal and shooting the place up is a phenomena that began in the 1980s and it is parallel to the general economic decline and inequity that an armed population faces here.

Face it, if that shooter was not a despondent postal nut-case, he committed suicide rather than be taken alive BTW, no one would have died. Cure the disease and not treat the symptoms while the patent dies :2 cents:

Exactly. It's an impossible task even with billions spent.


How many gang members or street thugs do you think would turn in their guns voluntarily? They would just wait for all the law abiding people to turn in their guns and then declare open season on them.

US coastline is almost as long as Australia's. If you add US coastal borders with land borders the US has a much longer border than Australia's. But that is beside the point. There are far more people crossing by land than coming in by sea. If every illegal in the US right now came in with a gun or two that is tens of millions of illegal guns right there alone.


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That's a TEC-DC9 9-mm semi-automatic handgun:2 cents:

And who gave birth to, parented and educated millennials? Baby Boomers. Society and culture don't change overnight but in America things do change quickly from a history of civilization perspective.

Well put Barry.

Well put Eon.

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oh thanks for the laugh you must be really really desperate, so police are "on the take" in my country and the murderers know the exact policeman to bribe, that will somehow, appear to investigate the murder? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh sounds legit :thumbsup

the sad truth is that serbia is much much much much safer than the USA...dude we have ZERO gangs...there is not one single piece of gang territory in our entire country...we had these biker dudes who dressed up but did not commit crimes they were just biker enthusiasts, they got called a gang :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh




ok ill try to be polite towards your US education, click X on the map to close the screen and you will find its a wiki article about the THIRD WORLD that obviously is detrimental to your argument and its always fun educating americans on difficult things like learning to read ect :thumbsup

that ethnic cleansing you and your komrades committed paved the way for a gang-free safe nation eh.

i get where you're coming from.

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definition of desperation: dynamo accusing a former refugee - me - of being an ethnic cleaner because I fled to serbia, that did not take part in the war at all :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

hint: its called the bosnian war/war in bosnia because it took part in serbia? LOL

what is a hint you ask? its like a clue, a significant notion based on common sense, its mysterious and puzzles your tiny brain I know but if you concentrate enough you will maybe get to wrap your tiny tiny brain around it :thumbsup

and speaking of ethnic cleansing, the USA dropped more bombs on vietnam than all sides, allies and axis included, and used more chemical weapons than all WW2 and WW1...mother fukka you guys even carpet bombed cambodia just for good measure...and before that you nuked jap fishermen....

tell me, what does the USA have against asians? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

seriously....

List of some of the Serbian gangs ...
Surčin clan
Zemun clan
?arić gang
Vo?dovac clan.
Zvezdara clan
Dorćol group
Karaburma group
Rumski Gang group
Peca's gang
Arkan network
Elez group
Zemun Clan
Keka's group
?arić's clan
Serbian Brotherhood
Pink Panthers gang

First, Second, and Third World - Nations Online Project

Look at the map on there, idiot.

Keep calling me an American, it's funny.

ahh dont be mad when foreigners speak up. this is a web forum on an interweb. they talk about america because they sweat america like the media sweats the kardashians. everyone loves america even the haters.

im not sure drug & alcohol bans are good comparables for guns. primarily because drugs & liquor are party necessities for a lot of people. the demand for drugs is insatiable. No matter how much education about drugs is hammered into kids at school, everyone still likes to get drunk get high when its friday night.

Im not sure the same demand would stand for guns. just IMO.

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hey anti-American, bosnian serbs carried out the genocide, umm srebrenica, hello, but just like your genocidal komrades, you continue to deny it and exclaim you're a fucking war refugee.

spin it however you need to try and make that bomb crater you sleep in more comfortable.

just like you spin USA dropping more bombs over 20 years v bombs dropped in 4 years.

As history shows; simply one of the most idiotic statements ever made.

i'm not the slightest bit mad when foreigners speak up. but i'm not going to not opine when they speak from a place of ignorance in order to justify their ridicule of the USA.

and prohibition era is a fantastic and perfect comparison.

No wonder you never understand reality.

In 1919, Prohibition was marketed as a solution to crime, alcoholism and violence against women. Without ?demon rum,? workers would become more productive and violent tendencies in society would disappear. Proponents believed it was the beginning of a golden age and that the alcohol ban would radically transform society for the good.

Prohibition did radically transform American society, only not in the way the proponents envisioned. Rather, the result was more alcoholism, the beginning of organized crime and a wave of violence like none ever seen before in America. Instead of a golden era, Prohibition unleashed one of the most violent and crime-ridden ages in American history.

Every decade or so, Americans become entranced by the same siren song that produced Prohibition. The song says, ?If you ban it, it will go away.? It croons, ?If we merely strip away our liberties, we?ll all be safer.? History has shown us that this siren song is dangerous.

Gun control proponents like to point out that strict gun control measures in nations like Australia and the United Kingdom have led to fewer mass shootings. This may be true, but what proponents often ignore is how gun control tends to lead to increases in other violent crimes. As is often the case, politicians try to legislate to prevent one problem, but end up creating half-a-dozen new ones in the process.

Since Australia enacted its landmark gun control legislation in 1996, gun-related homicides have declined, but almost every other sort of violent crime has increased. While the homicide rate fell from 1.9 per 100,000 persons to 1.3 from 1996 to 2007, assaults increased from 623 per 100,000 persons to 840 during that same time ? a 35 percent jump. The sexual assault rate likewise increased from 78 per 100,000 persons to 94 ? a 21 percent jump. In other words, for every 0.6 person out of 100,000 who did not fall victim to a homicide, 217 suffered from a violent assault, and another 16 suffered from sexual assault. While it?s impossible to know how much of this shift was the result of the 1996 laws, it is not exactly an overwhelming endorsement of Australia?s gun control regime.

HUNEYCUTT: Gun control lessons from Prohibition - Washington Times

?[Those] who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.? - Ben motherfucking Franklin

I'd much prefer to be the victim of an assault by some drunk outside a pub than to be shot by him. :2 cents:

Please tell us exactly where one can buy this armor piercing ammo.

and you have that right and i respect that. but i'm not the gfyer trying to poke holes in the US constitution looking outside in.

What wow? You expect that a person who filmed himself murdering people might not be crazy?