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MachuPicchu 10-29-2015 04:13 AM

I think this is the first time I hear about such severe and stupid penalties in cam biz..

faxxaff 10-29-2015 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RyuLion (Post 20616701)
Yeap, I know of a couple of studios that penalize models for being late, they have a schedule to keep!

Incentivising postive behaviour is a far better approach than penalization. Studios giving fines end up in trouble sooner or later, some of them get raided and closed.

LatinCams 10-29-2015 11:38 AM

Its very common on MFC now at days, that's why we quit working with them.

I give you another example: A new model comes to Studio shes unknown to us, so we don't know much about her past. We do proper documentation and register the model. Immediately we get a message "This Model is banned in MFC don't try to register her again" and a fine of $1,000. Logically seems that the model was banned in a past studio and she did not informed us about it. But what the heck do the new studio has to do with past violations ? or past work in an old Studio ? Where can a Studio look for the list of banned models for not commiting the "violation" of registering such a model ?

adultmobile 10-29-2015 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 20620099)
Its very common on MFC now at days, that's why we quit working with them.

I give you another example: A new model comes to Studio shes unknown to us, so we don't know much about her past. We do proper documentation and register the model. Immediately we get a message "This Model is banned in MFC don't try to register her again" and a fine of $1,000. Logically seems that the model was banned in a past studio and she did not informed us about it. But what the heck do the new studio has to do with past violations ? or past work in an old Studio ? Where can a Studio look for the list of banned models for not commiting the "violation" of registering such a model ?

Could it be that the $1000 fine to the OP it was because the model he tried to register it was previously banned in MFC?

It happens very often that models try to re-register from different studios, and they do not tell to studios anything normally. Especially if they was banned. We wrote in the models registration form a big text asking to specify if the model had an account previously, and we ask studios always to make sure to ask if the model had an account with us before, just in case the studio forgets. Still we find often the names in 2257 db, and it could be some try to forge the ID not to be recognised (and they change hair color too lol), whatever. To fine the studio for model of other studio trying to re-register it seems unfair, unless the studio can take the $1000 from the model in some way.

Robin 10-30-2015 12:33 AM

It doesn't really make sense, maybe there is a missing part from the story...?
Anyway if it's true, $1000 "fine" it's a bit overkill for a low res document imho.

x_hammer_x 10-30-2015 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 20620099)
Its very common on MFC now at days, that's why we quit working with them.

your story sounds very similar though...
may I ask you - for how long have you been working with MFC and how many models did you register with MFC?

AmatoolsLtd 10-30-2015 02:04 AM

If it would be my studio I wouldn't bother contacting their support over and over again. I would write once very polite that and why I don't accept the penalty. After that I woudl give the case to my legals and not worry about it any more....

LatinCams 10-30-2015 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by x_hammer_x (Post 20620757)
your story sounds very similar though...
may I ask you - for how long have you been working with MFC and how many models did you register with MFC?

I was with MFC from the start, by the time we quit working with them last year we had about 400 Register accounts with them.

adultmobile 10-30-2015 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 20620971)
I was with MFC from the start, by the time we quit working with them last year we had about 400 Register accounts with them.

And MFC did not even ask you why 400 accounts gone?

LatinCams 10-30-2015 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 20621008)
And MFC did not even ask you why 400 accounts gone?

I think many of you guys dont know MFC or how they manage things.
Or how much they care about models or Studios.

iSpyCams 10-31-2015 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 20621044)
I think many of you guys dont know MFC or how they manage things.
Or how much they care about models or Studios.

They may care about models, (not a model so don't know) They definitely do not care about studios. I think studios are just unneeded middlemen to them and something they grudgingly tolerate, but do not specifically encourage or support.

That said, I think OP may have been fined 1000 tokens, not dollars. MFC only ever fines me in tokens:

"You have lost 100 tokens as a penalty for: Do not resubmit models that are refused. "

"You have lost 5000 tokens as a penalty for: Model is still breaking our rules after being warned. "

"You have lost 1000 tokens as a penalty for: Model is still breaking our rules after being warned. "

etc.

NatalieK 10-31-2015 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20621754)
They may care about models, (not a model so don't know) They definitely do not care about studios. I think studios are just unneeded middlemen to them and something they grudgingly tolerate, but do not specifically encourage or support.

That said, I think OP may have been fined 1000 tokens, not dollars. MFC only ever fines me in tokens:

"You have lost 100 tokens as a penalty for: Do not resubmit models that are refused. "

"You have lost 5000 tokens as a penalty for: Model is still breaking our rules after being warned. "

"You have lost 1000 tokens as a penalty for: Model is still breaking our rules after being warned. "

etc.

Yes, this is possible tokens & not pounds :thumbsup

I think it could be the same for models as studios. It's not a lack of care, only sticking to the rules & keeping the same rules for everyone. Personally as a model & a studio on freecams, I appreciate the same rules for all :2 cents:

LatinCams 11-02-2015 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20621754)
They may care about models, (not a model so don't know) They definitely do not care about studios. I think studios are just unneeded middlemen to them and something they grudgingly tolerate, but do not specifically encourage or support.

That said, I think OP may have been fined 1000 tokens, not dollars. MFC only ever fines me in tokens:

"You have lost 100 tokens as a penalty for: Do not resubmit models that are refused. "

"You have lost 5000 tokens as a penalty for: Model is still breaking our rules after being warned. "

"You have lost 1000 tokens as a penalty for: Model is still breaking our rules after being warned. "

etc.

I think the least we must know is the difference between Tokens and Dollars.
So if we say Dollars it has nothing to do with Tokens.
Or if you want to have it clearer do the Translation 20,000 Tokens.

beerptrol 11-02-2015 08:24 AM

When you're top dog you get to set the rules!

czarina 11-02-2015 08:25 AM

Ha! I should start penalizing my shemale talent for being late. I'd make a fortune!

Paul Markham 11-02-2015 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 20621044)
I think many of you guys dont know MFC or how they manage things.
Or how much they care about models or Studios.

That's the point that's coming through.

It's another part of the industry that's not worried about the content producers.

DamnSexy 11-02-2015 09:00 AM

According to their rules, they may give a second chance to repost a clear ID
http://i68.tinypic.com/v6s1ex.jpg

Now , maybe we miss a part of the story.

DBS.US 11-02-2015 09:47 AM

A $1000 fee for being dumb, and if your dumb you will pay the fee.

x_hammer_x 11-02-2015 10:53 AM

20'000 Tokens if it's easier to understand

x_hammer_x 11-02-2015 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamnSexy (Post 20623210)
According to their rules, they may give a second chance to repost a clear ID
http://i68.tinypic.com/v6s1ex.jpg

Now , maybe we miss a part of the story.

That's exactly my question to their support. I'm still waiting for their answer.

iSpyCams 11-04-2015 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x_hammer_x (Post 20623327)
20'000 Tokens if it's easier to understand

Well damn that is pretty steep. I'd be pissed off for sure.

I made a decision this week not to allow any negative incentives in my organization. I feel like negative reinforcement of the rules is for prisoners and criminals. Most people feel that for humans and animals alike positive reinforcement is much more effective.

If I find anyone who only responds to negative incentives such as fines and other punishment, they will need to go work somewhere that is set up to work with sociopaths, I don't want to do it.

adultmobile 11-04-2015 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 20623164)
When you're top dog you get to set the rules!

Is good to be the king :)

But the issue is the adult thing. If adult cams it was a legitimate (mostly, not controversial) business, venture capital and banks would have invested in it, and we would have bigger competition, like we got for mainstream. Instead, there is no relevant investment in making new and better cam businesses (overall, may include a competition on the models/studios side). Bongacams and Chaturbate are 2 who invested a little after 2011 but is very few $million there, I mean, even the smallest dot com or app get funded $50M+ to try shake the market, nothing happening for adult or cams. There is no any big news in the cam market in past 3-4 years, and anyway most of the cam sites are the same of 10 years ago (I had an account in mfc in 2005, it is not a new site at all). Even the people are the same, me included, is now 10+ years, and the other cam directors are all sooo oldie and small worldish :)

DBS.US 11-04-2015 09:16 PM

See sig:winkwink:

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j3rkules 11-05-2015 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Panda (Post 20626085)
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Jel 11-05-2015 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20625551)
Well damn that is pretty steep. I'd be pissed off for sure.

I made a decision this week not to allow any negative incentives in my organization. I feel like negative reinforcement of the rules is for prisoners and criminals. Most people feel that for humans and animals alike positive reinforcement is much more effective.

If I find anyone who only responds to negative incentives such as fines and other punishment, they will need to go work somewhere that is set up to work with sociopaths, I don't want to do it.

:thumbsup

good for you mate :)

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