What email do we send invoices 2

Bump for info :-) Did they send out a warning by the end of 2017 or early 2018 about stealing your money if you do not send them a invoice before a certain date?

notice in their NATS:
Upload your invoice for any Pending payouts for 2018 by February 28th so we can process and pay out all pending payments and close our accounting for 2018. This is absolutely Mandatory that all invoices are received and are filled out properly as after March 1st, any payouts still pending from 2018 cannot be paid out, and you will lose your hard earned money with us. This is why we are giving 2 Months notice to give you plenty of time to sort the invoices.

The opposition to this proves most affiliates aren't professionals. Suggesting the payer issues an invoice to himself, shows how stupid some are.

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It's not entirely stupid. It might not have been what they had in mind, but in Europe it's possible to create self-billing invoices.

AWE does this for example.

Although it's probably not possible to do in all countries - the UK website requires both parties to be VAT registered for instance, which wouldn't work well for a sponsor.

Some sources:
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...icing-rules_en

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-self...g-arrangements

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/da...May%202014.pdf

DDFcash owns me payouts for the whole 2018 and 2019. A half year ago they told me they cannot pay me for the 2018 because I didn't send them the invoices (their emails were coming to spam folder). I replied to them that everything is possible and solvable (we can invoice them for services/affiliate services,etc). We are Czech Republic based company. Since that time, they DOESN'T REPLY to all of my emails at all. Please contact me if someone is reading this message. Thank you. Lukke

Are they no longer owned by gammea?

None of these recent posts have given me any cause to regret the things I said in 2015 in this thread:


Five years later, not a word looks wrong to me!

There are way bigger issues with some other programs than requiring invoices. Not paying, late payments, traffic leaks, shaving, etc.

You might have had to issue invoices for DDF, but they paid them without missing a beat and no other problems.

They changed their system mid-2019 btw, you don't need to send them invoices for newly generated payments anymore, they are paid automatically.
(I think they might have switched to self-billing invoices like AWE.)

This thread is full of contrary reports, including the most recent bump from someone who is not only unpaid, but not getting responses to emails.

Much ado about nothing.

Not sure what I meant by self-billing. It's easy to issue an invoice and people who don't want to do it must have a reason. Is it too small, are they trying to hide something, are they a real business, etc. Pick a reason.

That's true in some cases but Forkbeard has a point too.

Some affiliates promote hundreds of programs, and it's hard to keep track of all. If I had to issue invoices for all affiliate programs and follow up if they're really paid, it would be a real pain in the ass. Luckily only a few programs require it.

The reason is, and remains -- all these years after DDF invented this affiliate-driven invoicing requirement that no other Euro programs are using -- that "pay your affiliates on time without demand" is the irreducible minimum ethical and business standard for affiliate programs. Failure to meet this standard is either deliberately shady or it's the sign of a failing program that can't meet its financial obligations -- there is no third option.

:2 cents:

This applies to now, not 10 years ago. Affiliates who promote 100s of programs aren't much use to those programs unless they send enough sales to warrant making an invoice once every 3 months or less.

DDF produces good content that costs money, so if affiliates want 50% they had better make sure they're sending enough sales to make it worth the affiliates time to issue invoices. If you think programs are falling over themselves because you send 1 or 2 sales a month, you're obsolete to them.

Tubes need 100s of programs to fill their site more than 100s of programs need them. Today programs need the big boys of the industry more than the little guys. It's not 2004.

So no other program asks you to issue them with an invoice and you're wasting time about bitching that one program asked you to act like a real business. If I give you $5 will you buy yourself a new life, the one you have must suck. LOL

How many sales a month do you send them? 5 would be 15 every 3 months and worth a couple of $100. Less and why should they bother over you?

How many programs do you promote?

Not true, it's fairly common at least for CPA networks.

This is not true, affiliate joins/rebills have a very long tail. In a bigger program, after a few big affiliates sending a lot of sales, you have hundreds of affiliates who send 1-2 sales per month. And then thousands who do even less.

But they do want these affiliates, because when you add these small affiliates together they represent a large volume. And sales aren't the only thing that matter. Affiliates sending traffic at 1:10000 ratios are useful too, because they're providing huge publicity for almost free. (Bandwidth is super cheap.)

It's also impossible to tell who is or who will be a big affiliate. An affiliate sending 1 join per month to you might be sending 100 per month to another program. If you don't accept them or treat them badly, you'll never know what kind of business they could bring to you.

This is the power of self-serve affiliate platforms. You can have 30 or 2000 affiliates promoting you, and it's almost the same expense for the company. The biggest programs in adult are still open to affiliates of all sizes.

(I'm talking about traditional paysites and camsites mainly, certainly there are private CPA network with different business models.)

There are some other paysite programs that have it too. Czech Cash, Virtual Real Cash, Stacked Cash, Puffy Cash, Vipissy Cash, Easy X Cash.

The truth is that in general European companies DO need invoices. Some big programs (AWE, AdultForce, possibly DDF too now) have solved it by creating self-billing invoices.
A lot of small programs might be doing this too in the background. Or they just don't give a shit, but they haven't got a tax audit yet. :P

Not relevant questions. Why do you give a fuck about me? This thread is about at company's business ethics and practices. You're just trying to change the subject.

It's a big world. I was of course speaking forcefully about my own experience, which is broad but not universal. I'm never surprised to learn of a few additional data points outside my experience. But where are the threads from people saying "I didn't get my invoices in on time, so they took my money?"

The bottom line will never change. If you aren't treating paying out affiliate-earned moneys as an absolute obligation, your program is untrustworthy.

If that were true programs like DDF? would be falling over themselves to look after small guys. It's 2020 not 2004 things have changed.

If you can't issue an invoice once a month or once every three months. Drop the program and issue one yearly. For the rebills you still get.

You're just trolling now. This thread isn't about me. :321GFY

This is not true. The support and accounting costs of having 2000 affiliates is often more than the revenue they bring in.

Depend on system which is used - if everything is done manually, then yes it could be complete mess but with proper automation wonders can be done.

Tell this to Amazon ;)

But sure, it can be. But it doesn't need to be, if it's largely automated.

Does someone have a working skype contact for ddf cash? I tried to contact ante on skype wg.ddf.ac to get paid, but did not get an answer.

Still NO reply to my emails, no reply to my messages, or even no reply in this thread... Still waiting to be paid for 2018 and 2019 as a Czech Republic based company.

Try paul.a and ante.c, both at ddfnetwork.com. Or the second one at webgroup-limited.com

Obviously I wasn't referring to Amazon (who will terminate your account or deduct fees if you don't send sales), but rather adult programs who are bombarded with time wasters.

Of course the system can be "automated", until someone wants custom promo material, the newest payment method of the week, or wants to troll the company on GFY.

Every full time staff member can require up to 10 sales a day just to cover their salary. In the era of printing money, skinning GFY, and throwing huge Internext parties this may not have been a big deal, but in 2020, having two thousand hobbiest affiliates sending the occasional sale is generally a loss leader for a mid size affiliate program :2 cents:

Where exactly is the barrier of entry for affiliates to send invoices to companies that pay them?

Hell there's whole programs and calendars that can even remind people.

Hey didn't GFY invent the whole "Adapt or die" bullshit? Guess it doesn't work for invoices from smaller fish.

It's not a barrier to entry, although it is is a bookkeeping challenge when you have long-tail links dating back up to 18 years with hundreds of programs, most of whom don't offer any notification when you've made a sale or reached their minimum payouts of up to $1000.

But it's not a barrier to entry. That's not the objection.

The objection is that the programs use this as an excuse to keep money. They refuse to pay, offering vague excuses about vague invoicing requirements that were not met, and claiming that too much time has elapsed, so they can't possibly pay out now the free money they've been loaning to themselves, interest free, all this time. Citation: five years of posts in this thread.

So yeah, that's the objection. Nobody has a problem jumping through this hoop if there's enough money in the kitty to make it worth jumping through the hoop. But it's still perfectly possible to object to the fact that the hoop has been deployed, when the shady motive is clear.

Some might.
But most programs just have to respect national and international laws, that are getting tighter every year (or maybe even more often).
At our own small level we've seen we're getting more and more controls from various authorities, we get questions from banks for this and that... different instances are acting to regulate money laundery, frauds, tax evasions...
A few years ago it was possible to have a few affiliates not sending proper invoices and get away with it by saying "it's not our responsibility, it's the affiliate's responsibility".
But now laws made it clear that it's our responsiblity.

Our ecosystem is changing very very fast, and imo it's for the better. The industry at large has not been benefiting from grey areas on legal aspects... and so far, what we see happening seems interesting and could clean several areas (I'm thinking mainly about cleaner credit card schemes for end users, 3D Secure and all... I know it's not the main topic but it's actually all related).

At last the truth.

So if you're not actively promoting the company and relying on galleries, articles or clips that are ancient to get the occasional sale companies have to fall over themselves to look after you.

It's not worth the affiliates time to invoice the company, but some think it's worth the companies time. One works in his kitchen the other in a building with employees.

DDF would have sat down and looked at what these affiliates are bringing in and made the decision they are not worth bothering with if they can't be bothered to see if they made a sale. Because the rebills aren't flooding in these days

PorcoRosso is right. Here in Europe, the taxman is getting very observant of companies working online. Companies like DDF are being brought into line with offline companies.

It could be like that but it's not really the case. They do bother, at least in my experience. They actually sent out emails to affiliates with missing invoices individually in the past so they could pay them.

I know this because I got an email like this for a website/domain I purchased. (I forwarded it to the old owner as the affiliate accounts were not included in the sale.)

If they send out emails with what is owed, why is Forkbeard moaning?

Hey guys!

Ante from DDF Cash here. First I needed to read this long thread before I could answer everything. Lots of correct AND incorrect information here so will try to address all of them.

First will start with DDF requiring invoices as a tool to keep the payments of the affiliates. This is a complete lie, and I'll explain why. Someone in one of the answers listed other programs who require invoices. If you do a deeper investigation, you'll see that all of the companies (Puffy Cash, Easy x Cash, etc) are CZ based companies as is DDF Cash, so this invoice rule wasn't "invented" by DDF, but by CZ Law. In reality, in the beginning, it took us a lot of internal resources to get Affiliates noted and used to invoicing system. With all of that, we continued to work on our invoicing policy which would be complacent with CZ law and Affiliate friendly and as a result, since last year we're Auto Generating invoices so we can pay everyone by mid of the month who had generated payouts in DDF Cash. This alone shows you that we had every intention to pay our affiliates, but like everything, there s a learning curve.

As a conclusion to all of this, we paid all the generated payouts of 2019 with our Auto Invoicing system, but at the same time we cannot pay payouts which are 2, 3 or 4-year old payouts and it's not even because we don't want to, but because the lawmaker is not allowing us.

As of Lukke's post, he said that he sent an email about OLD payouts. His 2019 payouts were regularly paid out. Also, he clearly said that he got noted several times about the pending old payouts (unfortunately they ended up in spam, but DDF or any other company really cannot control someone's inbox). Also, we were giving all the affiliates 3 months grace period (January, February, and March) of next year to catch up with the Invoices. This period was also covered with Warning emails sent out to the affiliates. He didn't mention that I was trying to reach out to him through his ICQ account (which was the only other contact besides email) which was listed, but I got no reply there as well. And besides all of this, there is a clear history of News inside DDF Cash News section which is warning all Affiliates to claim the payout as well as Huge Pop Up which was in DDF Cash during these 3 months warning everyone to send the invoice.

With all of this, I'm not sure what we can do else to grab the attention of the affiliate to invest 30 seconds in the document which would help us both be happy and cooperative.

I understand that this Invoice thing is not really understandable to US-based people, but as PorcoRosso said... EU law is getting tight and in order for us to be able to pay any affiliate and keep our business, we need to play by the rules.

Lastly, shout out to BigFurry for acknowledging our efforts to play by the book and keep both affiliates and lawmakers happy. Not sure what's your site, but appreciate the honesty.

I'm not as active on this forum as I probably should be, but will keep an eye on this thread in case anyone has any questions or mean comments. :)

Have a great day all!

And one last thing I forgot

This theory that programs don't care about affiliates who're sending small amount of joins is not correct, at least in our case.

We treat all of our affiliates the same and providing with the creatives and promotion materials no matter of their size when they request it.

We're all humans and we get busy and forget about messages or emails sometimes, but we at DDF don't have that kind of thinking when our affiliates are concerned

Peace out all!