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except he is basically saying you need to be a spammer of one kind or another to make big money these days. websites are dead unless you're a massive tube.

With good amount and quality of traffic, there is good money too.

I was making $500 a day, most days on just a couple of hundred uniques. Traffic isn't king, content is.

So you were making $500 a day without traffic. Teach me!

I'm interested in this concept also. Teach us, master...

Having all the traffic in the world and no content won't do shit for you.
Having all the content in the world and no traffic won't do shit for you.

In the end, you need the perfect combination of them both. They go hand in hand. One without the other is pointless. If you are going to make money you need them both. Anyone who tells you otherwise is full of shit.

Period.

Agreed.
Random traffic won't help. Visitors ain't stupid.

hahahaha

No, you have traffic you have money, you arnt getting traffic without content, but traffic is money. You fools.

More or less.

If you send out 1 million emails, with the right offer, a couple of times a day/week/month, you have the potential to get your message in front of more people than chasing down business any number of other methods. There are plenty of articles who talk about the effectiveness of email to other methods out there.

Now, all of that said........ keep in mind just having a list and sending it out is not enough. You still have spam filters, ability to inbox, the right offer that converts, targets lists, cleaning up your lists of traps/bounces/etc, CAN-SPAM regulations, and many other moving parts that go into effective email marketing.

However, it is still by far one of the best "bang for your buck" ways to affiliate market out of the options available on a volume play. When done right, you can still do much better than the legacy internet marketing methods whether you have the best content on the planet or not.

Sometimes I'll have over 1mil uniques that make like $10, then I'll have days that are around 1:100... I know I've wasted money by not monetizing traffic enough, it's easy to get..

I monetize the shit outta mine ;)

Doing what I can to break into mainstream but doesn't seem that financially worth it, time wise but I'm doing it anyway.

I used to make decent with a candy shop, but I sold the domain and someone turned it into a porn site.. lol

LOL :1orglaugh

1mil uniques making $10? Not even chinese traffic will suck that bad man :helpme

sounds legit.

Well, not THAT bad, but I remember about that much traffic making me less than $100 once..

Do you mean 1 million sent directly to sponsors, or total unique hits a site/sites got?

Good point, I meant to my blogs :/

:1orglaugh

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I am doing okay promoting cam and dating sites as an affiliate butt I am making real money, cash daily promoting independent escorts!

I am still making a good money with chaturbate, so if you have a quality traffic it still can make you a decent bank.

I made $9 with them so far today at under 10 uniques/day where I have no idea where it's coming from.. :upsidedow

The question is are there affiliates making good money. You think you can make 7 figures a year running a blog network and submitting galleries?

Yes and probably not. There's a certain ceiling most affiliates hit with blogs/tgps/submitting and I'd say its low to low-mid six figures. Now I wish I just got in sooner. :P

I would suggest something like this if people wanted to make some long term money.

1. License a ton of content, and build free sites where you use email as point of access.
2. Take those emails, sort out the junk, then mail them mainstream/porn offers.
3. From those who are opener/clickers sort accordingly by vertical (ex: health, diet, finance, etc).
4. At this point, you can opt to start focusing on less volume mail and more niche targeted. You could also start selling your lists off if you were so included, as there is always someone willing to pay for active, new, or legacy data out there.


Sure, you will get some who use 10 minute email and things of that nature, but you just filter that kind of crap out. Not everyone is that smart, and you would even make your own 10 minute email and advertise it on the rotating banner ads for your site. Make sure your TOS/AUP says you are going to be using their email for third party offers, and you can do whatever you want with their info as a cost of free porn.

If you can build sites and collect data and emails (double opt-in, CAN-SPAM compliant), there is a ton of ways to make money off of that. There are people willing to pay for different verticals, you can partner with different sponsors who target those niches, or you can mail them yourself. If you have a lot of one particular vertical, you can find products of your own to send them. If you have a tube or some other website generating 100's of daily LEGIT sign ups, there are people willing to pay for feeds of fresh data.

While none of this touches on mailing and delivery, you get the overall broad strokes here. Essentially this comes down to effective data management and ways to get it. From there, you have to clean it up, and do much more narrow targeted offers to them in sends. If you have the right offers, you bank. Or you can do a volume blast. Whatever your pleasure.

My point here is that if you are a webmaster who can build websites, and generate traffic to the point you can collect fresh email/sign ups, you should change your business model to one where you can create some value and start working towards a long term membership or buyer management tracking business model. Versus hoping someone comes, and buys a membership or views shit every day for free. You need to know this email address or member is interested in X, Y, Z so I am going to keep sending them more offers in line with that they are clicking, opening, buying. Easier said than done, but as I said, you get the jist of the concept.

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Pretty much.

The same basic principals are there, you just have to look at it from a different perspective. What you should really be focusing on is membership or POC (point of contact) longevity. By that I mean, find out what these people like or want and get them new offerings until they unsubscribe or stop coming around.

In the past, when someone canceled a membership, you 'might' hit them back up with a discount offer, but few bothered to do anything beyond that. You know this guy has a credit card, you know he is willing to buy online. Why are you not sending him mainstream offers? It would be common sense.

if the only way to make good money is to spam then adult affiliate marketing is dead.

There is more traffic available today to small time affiliates than ever before. You can literally buy front page ads on the biggest websites in the world for pennies and put whatever you want on it. This doesn't exist in most other industries.

Plenty of non-spam money to be made by people who can figure out creative, testing, and analytics.

This is a phenomenal business plan. It's too bad most of GFY will give up before they get to step 3, if they even start.

This actually is a good plan, it inspired me to look further into it. I want to get past step 3 fuze! :winkwink:

guess the mailing lists that every website in the world now pops and builds is "spam" ...

Agreed.

This is what most mainstream affiliates and programs focus on in a nutshell once they get an email, or information on someone. They will put it into a database and track and trial different offers over and over again until they opt-out or unsubscribe whatever. They essentially build a profile on that email address as to what is of interest to that client, and what converts. You then tailor those offers accordingly. The owner of that email address which holds LONG TERM value to any effective email marketing company or ad network who knows what to do with it via an API.

In adult, once the member cancels for the most part the webmaster or company seems to be afraid to send him other offers which "bother" or "spam" him. Um, he already canceled. You know he has a credit card and willing to buy online. Why are you not sending him new offers to try and get more sales? Any other company outside of adult does this. I have found this mindset interesting when talking to different people at the adult conferences in regard to effective email marketing, and the power of data management. Many just choose to leave that money on the table despite sinking sales. :Oh crap

While effective email marketing is one way to accomplish what I am laying out in the rough business plan suggestion above, ultimately this really comes down to data management for the long term so you can hit up those same buyers over and over again trying to sell them something. They are WILLING TO BUY if you find out what it is they want, and tailor it accordingly with the right offer.

These are the same guys, with that mindset, who were left in the dust when tubes came on the scene unfortunately. :(

Email marketing is not illegal or unethical. Almost every major company or brand does it, or tries to get your email address. Why is that?

Food for thought.

:2 cents:

Ok, I am going to tell you how I made $500 a day with a couple hundred uniques.
It was simple but took a lot of hard work. I was focused though.

I started in adult back in 2003 and have always down cams. Back then iFriends paid me close to $1000 a week, every week and I only had a crappy 2 bit site.

Couple of years back I decided to do review sites, I made 3. Each a little different but promoting the sponsors that pay the most.
For example ImLive currently have a promo on that pays $250 per free signup. No minimum.
I was converting review sites at around 1:60.

I spent a fuck load of time writing the reviews and paying people to review though.

it can be illegal and unethical. not sure what its like these days but im sure you remember dark mailer and all the people who used that and similar programs with trojan proxies and stolen lists to make money.

Sure. It 'could' be used for nefarious purposes, the same was a tube or any website or many applications can be if one were so inclined. But just because someone does email marketing does not mean they are not being compliant with their list sources or can-spam. the same as running a tube site does not mean all of your content is stolen.

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