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Joshua G 02-03-2016 08:12 PM
i wouldnt say the founding fathers stole indian land. I would argue instead that they exercised an early version of "imminent domain." after all, white people were far superior to the savages they replaced. What would USA look like today had the "owners" kept it up this past 200 years? We can look to mexico for clues, yes? Charles darwin said it best. survival of the fittest.

The white fucking man. making it all happen. recognize.

:2 cents:

Horatio Caine 02-03-2016 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20720257)
Your mother fucks German tourists for 2.5 euro :1orglaugh Half price :1orglaugh


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Horatio Caine 02-03-2016 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20720260)
You dumped your own country you pussy.
One Canadian welfare check covers 6 months of him living in Serbia. And no-one reports gay rapes there. Tax free money! Win win situation :1orglaugh

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mineistaken 02-03-2016 08:15 PM
very well said, op. the only difference that isis are doinv that in 2016 while fathers did it in dark times. perfect illustration of how much muslim culture is lagging behind in terms of being civilized. Nice thread backfire!

ilnjscb 02-03-2016 08:17 PM
Your more successful countryman says it best:

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The Porn Nerd 02-03-2016 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20720242)

no they are trying to form a caliphate...we are discussing semantics...they are terrorists who are unwilling to adapt, religious nuts, they kill, rape, loot just like the founding fathers did...

so ISIS is "revolutionary" too then...they are doing exactly like the founding fathers...they are forming a "bros" club just like the founding fathers, its fine if you are a "bro" but if you happen not to be a "bro" then you are pretty fucked...history repeating :2 cents::2 cents:

who will build statues is non sequitur...
1. A caliphate is NOT a country. It is a very different thing so it is not semantics.

2. The Founding Fathers of America did not kill, rape, loot.....unless you mean the Boston Tea Party (symbolic "looting" I suppose) or the killing of British soldiers during wartime. Rapes (your particular obsession) did not happen the way it is being used by ISIS.

3. The statue comment was to show ISIS has no "George Washington". They are more akin to Iran and the Ayatollah if anything. You cannot compare religious nutbags with the Founding Fathers. Perhaps the Pilgrims, who were Puritan, but not John Adams et al.

NOTE: I am opting out of any Thomas Jefferson debates. Nobody's perfect. LOL

Barry-xlovecam 02-03-2016 08:38 PM
Where do you think Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ISIS' scumbag leader got the organised rape program -- Slobodan Milošević & Co. Serbia's scumbag deposed leader.

The both will have the same fate -- found dead in a prison cell.

crucifissio is a fucking doorknob -- don't waste word 1 arguing any reason with a doorknob -- he is just trolling ... I just though this deserved a return troll :1orglaugh

Joe Obenberger 02-03-2016 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20719802)
I do not have to be jealous of anything to ask a valid question. I honestly see no difference between the US founding fathers and ISIS....




I did not ask about americans today did I? I asked specifically about the founding fathers, so your argument of 250 years of evolution is invalid...

concentrate on the question: what is the difference between the US founding fathers and ISIS (not americans today and ISIS) :thumbsup
Alas, it's you who fails to remain on point. Way up at the top, here's the question posed:

"Is there a difference between ISIS and the founding fathers of the USA"

That generation conducted no wars against the Indians and stole no land. Slavery had been abolished or discontinued in the Northern States, about the first place in the world where the process of emancipation took place. They stood for religious and personal freedom, risking their "lives, their property, and their sacred honor" to fight for the liberty of their fellow colonists.

But you claim the Chinese were victimized by the founding fathers. That is, people who weren't there. You claim the founders afforded the Indians no respect and stole from them. The opposite is true. The constitutional convention actually considered the organizational form of the Iroquois Confederation and discussed in in planning for a new republic. That generation stole nothing. They raped nobody. They captured no slaves. They went to church a lot and declared national days of Thanksgiving and other days of fasting and prayer, but they left it to individuals to work out how that was to happen. At the tail end, and against considerable debate about whether Congress had the power to expand the nation, Jefferson purchased Louisiana from Napoleon and sent Lewis and Clark peaceably to explore, trade and make friends with the Indians, which they did. Whatever sins happened, it was a later generation that committed them.

The Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776. The Constitution was adopted thirteen years later, in 1789. The generation that lived during those years, the foundational years of the United States of America, produced the "founding fathers". They founded it, and so naturally, they are called "founding".

You have zilch facts on your side. If you did, you'd trot them out. There is nothing that connects ISIS and the Patriots in any meaningful sense.

Enough of this troll.

pimpmaster9000 02-04-2016 04:05 AM
I do not mean to sound like I am legitimizing what ISIS is doing, just pointing out that the founding fathers did worse...It is amusing to me to see the level of desperation where no american will admit that they plain stole land :1orglaugh

also on my chuckle list is how the terms "freedom" and "personal rights" are used to describe what was essentially a racist apartheid system where injun's and black people were not considered human and had the rights to pick cotton or live in a concentration camp...

I mean some people here are trying to make the founding fathers sound like good will ambassadors :1orglaugh

it was a "bros" club...intolerant of anybody who is injun or black, unwilling to adapt to local culture, unwilling to learn the language, a bunch of immigrants and refugees...

basically:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...y_24,_1948.jpg

but without the pointy hats...

oh and 200 years later the blacks got a right to go to school in the USA but had to be escorted by military, because the white police would trayvon martin them :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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Horatio Caine 02-04-2016 08:07 AM
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L-Pink 02-04-2016 08:12 AM
50 broke cowards from Serbia ....


Quote:
Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20720242)
yeah right I should have gone to fight for bill clinton and the local politicians over who we are going to pay tax next to

Internet tough guy who puts his tail between his legs and "runs" , your own words, ..... Runs because you are a pussy with no pride. Now you blame your cowardly ways on local politicians who want to tax you?! Don't you have to earn money first? How can someone tax a broke lose?. :1orglaugh:helpme

What a fucking broke, ignorant, angry, douche-nozzle. Your worthless cowardly ass should be deported back to Serbia. You are a prime example of why tighter immigration laws are needed.


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Horatio Caine 02-04-2016 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20720700)
50 broke cowards from Serbia ....





Internet tough guy who puts his tail between his legs and "runs" , your own words, ..... Runs because you are a pussy with no pride. Now you blame your cowardly ways on local politicians who want to tax you?! Don't you have to earn money first? How can someone tax a broke lose?. :1orglaugh:helpme

What a fucking broke, ignorant, angry, douche-nozzle. Your worthless cowardly ass should be deported back to Serbia. You are a prime example of why tighter immigration laws are needed.


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he is welfare bum. he doesn't pay any tax :2 cents:

pimpmaster9000 02-04-2016 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20720700)
50 broke cowards from Serbia ....

Internet tough guy who puts his tail between his legs and "runs" , your own words, ..... Runs because you are a pussy with no pride. Now you blame your cowardly ways on local politicians who want to tax you?! Don't you have to earn money first? How can someone tax a broke lose?. :1orglaugh:helpme

What a fucking broke, ignorant, angry, douche-nozzle. Your worthless cowardly ass should be deported back to Serbia. You are a prime example of why tighter immigration laws are needed.


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spongy fruit eater, why on earth do you think I have any obligation whatsoever to fight for bill clinton or milosevic? :1orglaugh you must be suffering from some form of spongy fruit poisoning LOL

how do I explain this to a brain washed north korean? I do not fight for supreme leader :thumbsup

supreme leaders politics is bullshit <----this

you are free to fight for your "lesser of 2 evils" president LOL, you guys sure did a great job in vietnam, n.korea, avghanistan, iraq etc you truly liberated millions of people from their lives :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh you did them such a favor and yourselves :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh oh and thanks for ISIS and aquaeda! You guys are rock stars! :1orglaugh:thumbsup:1orglaugh

I am sorry but when a truck full of people comes to my house asking me to murder minorities I do not jump on the stupid wagon :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Now go eat some spongy american fruit...

L-Pink 02-04-2016 08:50 AM
^^^^^^^ translated, "I'm a coward" ^^^^^^^^^^^

pimpmaster9000 02-04-2016 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20720750)
^^^^^^^ translated, "I'm a coward" ^^^^^^^^^^^
because bravery is bombing asian farmers :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

L-Pink 02-04-2016 08:57 AM
I love this ... "I left my country because of local taxes" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

pimpmaster9000 02-04-2016 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20720762)
I love this ... "I left my country because of local taxes" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
I have no idea what you are babbling on about spongy fruit victim...

L-Pink 02-04-2016 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20720766)
I have no idea what you are babbling on about spongy fruit victim...

Talking about YOU. You stupid third world ass-wipe.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Coward, Serbian tax avoider, and internet tough guy.


Fucking hilarious ...

pornguy 02-04-2016 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe Obenberger (Post 20719838)
Sure.

Have you ever read the Declaration of Independence or the Bill of Rights?

Have you read the Federalist Papers, anything by John Locke or Thomas Hobbes, or maybe JJ Rousseau, all of whom deeply inspired them?

The American Revolution was about inviolable personal rights to freedom, the rights protected by natural law, which no state is free to abridge. That's a 180 from a theocracy. They knew the dangers of tyrannical theocracy - and that's why the Bill of Rights prohibits an establishment of religion. That's a pretty fundamental difference.

So, you'll respond to talk about aboriginal persons and slaves. The English simply had not reached a consensus about the rights of persons who were not part of the body politic. They should have concluded that, if rights come from natural law, that they extend to all humans. But I think that among the protestants, who entirely dominated the Revolution, there actually was dispute about whether aboriginals and Negroes were human beings. The Catholics had resolved that issue centuries before, but weren't enthusiastic about democracy in general, and so it only meant anything important to marriage and family of slaves in Catholic countries.

There isn't any dispute of how the radical muslims look at the rights of nonmuslims. They are nonexistent for persons who are not "of the book", and sharply constrained for Christians and Jews. They both can be enslaved at will, by capture. No one in the American Revolution held that view. But all of this concerning aboriginal persons and slaves is a sideshow issue (except to the people affected!) to whether the two groups have much in common. They don't. ISIS is driven by religious fervor towards absolute, tyrranical theocracy. The Founders were driven by natural law principles about the dignity and rights of individuals - especially the rights of individuals against large majorities of people who would deprive them of fundamental freedoms. "Fundamental Freedom" is a concept that simply has no meaning in Islam, there is freedom only to be a muslim.

That's the difference.

100% correct. Sadly wasted on the vast majority of this crowd.

pimpmaster9000 02-04-2016 09:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20720775)
Talking about YOU. You stupid third world ass-wipe.


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Coward, Serbian tax avoider, and internet tough guy.


Fucking hilarious ...
spongy dude, you have me confused with somebody who actually said what you quoted but it was not me...try eating organic :2 cents:

pimpmaster9000 02-04-2016 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 20720779)
100% correct. Sadly wasted on the vast majority of this crowd.
"The American Revolution was about inviolable personal rights to freedom, the rights protected by natural law, which no state is free to abridge

, there actually was dispute about whether aboriginals and Negroes were human beings."

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

L-Pink 02-04-2016 09:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20720785)
spongy dude, you have me confused with somebody who actually said what you quoted but it was not me...try eating organic :2 cents:

Bull-shit you third world coward. You stated you "ran" from your country too avoid serving in the military and to "avoid paying local taxes"


Now you're a liar as well.


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pimpmaster9000 02-04-2016 09:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20720804)
Bull-shit you third world coward. You stated you "ran" from your country too avoid serving in the military and to "avoid paying local taxes"


Now you're a liar as well.


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I never said that you spongy fruit crazed fruit sponge :1orglaugh

you ate too much US fruit and it made you dizzy :thumbsup

L-Pink 02-04-2016 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20720817)
I never said that you spongy fruit crazed fruit sponge :1orglaugh

you ate too much US fruit and it made you dizzy :thumbsup


Damage control Serbian style huh. Lying shit-stain.

pimpmaster9000 02-04-2016 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20720828)
Damage control Serbian style huh. Lying shit-stain.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

well it should be easy for you to do a search just type in the keywords and the user name...post what I "said" :thumbsup

Horatio Caine 02-04-2016 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20720804)
Bull-shit you third world coward. You stated you "ran" from your country too avoid serving in the military and to "avoid paying local taxes"


Now you're a liar as well.


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Sounds about right. 90% of Serbians in Toronto live off government handouts and bitch same way this cunt does.

pimpmaster9000 02-05-2016 06:10 AM
your unhealthy diet of spongy fruit is only worsening your alzheimers :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


lets compare the founding fathers to illegal immigrants in the EU:

-----------------------------------founding fathers---------------------- immigrants
no visa-------------------------------check -------------------------------- check
do not speak the language----------check ------------------------------- check
do not assimilate --------------------check------------------------------- check
religious intolerance----------------- check------------------------------- check
stank dick----------------------------check---------------------------------check
gay rapists----------------------------check------------------------------nope, its super gay
steal land-----------------------------check--------------------------------nope
keep slaves----------------------------check-------------------------------nope
eat spongy fruit------------------------ check---------------------------- nope

Horatio Caine 02-05-2016 07:59 AM
oh, the irony. stinking serb bitching about rape - the national sport of serbia

Rape during the Bosnian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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pimpmaster9000 02-05-2016 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20721659)
oh, the irony. stinking serb bitching about rape - the national sport of serbia

Rape during the Bosnian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
yes rape during the war in bosnia during 4 years of war are 25% of just the gay rape in your country in one year :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

theres no way an american can win a rape argument against anybody even botswana

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L-Pink 02-05-2016 08:35 AM
Serb coward alert!

pimpmaster9000 02-05-2016 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20721692)
Serb coward alert!
chubby alzheimer alert :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

L-Pink 02-05-2016 09:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20721721)
chubby alzheimer alert :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Someday if you are very lucky you might, might, live a full life like me.

But no matter what, I will never be a broke, coward, fucking Serb. The :1orglaugh are on you.

Best-In-BC 02-05-2016 09:33 AM
religious extremists.... prove it ?

spads 02-05-2016 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20721691)
yes rape during the war in bosnia during 4 years of war are 25% of just the gay rape in your country in one year :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

theres no way an american can win a rape argument against anybody even botswana

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So you're equating the rape that happens in US prisons between prisoners to the systematic rape of innocent women and children in Bosnia. That's some amazing logic you've got right there. Also, are you seriously looking at total numbers instead of per capita? What's the population of the entire balkan region? California probably has more people by itself LOL

spads 02-05-2016 09:42 AM
Don't bother arguing with this guy. Serbia has one of the lowest average IQs in Europe/North America.

pimpmaster9000 02-05-2016 10:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spads (Post 20721751)
So you're equating the rape that happens in US prisons between prisoners to the systematic rape of innocent women and children in Bosnia. That's some amazing logic you've got right there. Also, are you seriously looking at total numbers instead of per capita? What's the population of the entire balkan region? California probably has more people by itself LOL
bro...we can look at str8 rape or gay rape...we can look at totals and we can look per capita...we can do this any way you wish...in the USA women are 20-40x more likely to get raped than in 3rd world shit hole serbia...I do not have the figures for gay rape in my country but I am guessing you are one million times more likely to be gay raped in the USA :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

there is no angle where the USA looks better than a 3rd world shit hole, even during times of war, even when we take over inflated estimates of war crimes, even if we double the highest figures for serbia just for LOL-s and even if we look at 4 years worth of war crimes combined, its still lower than just one year in the USA...

what happens in US prisons is systematic rape....at 200.000/year its nothing butt systematic (notice my pun LOL)...you guys would call 200.000/year in any country systematic....sheeet the top estimate in the country next to mine (bosnia) where the rapes actually happened is 50.000 str8 rapes for 4 years of war this is not even 1/4 of the gay rapes what you guys do in times of peace in 1 year :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


dude it would take us 3000 years to catch up with american rape for one year :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

this walked the earth at the time we needed to start raping to catch up with gay + str8 rape in the USA in just one year:

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Horatio Caine 02-05-2016 12:39 PM
Ah, Serbia - the land of vertical smiles and the capital of European sex tourism.
The land where age of consent is 5 Euros and every 10 year old girl dreams of becoming #1 prostitute in her town.

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