I've managed more models than you at the sharp end. The rest is basic management, marketing and sales skill.

I know some will just take the money and run. I also know that most will get disheartened by how little money they earn. Because of the marketing sending traffic to the site and little else. That's not targeted marketing. This is why girls who work freelance earn a lot more and what the studios sites should be working on. Maybe yours do, do you have links?

Girls do porn to earn money if they earn a lot many become addicted to it. If they don't, they don't care and put little effort into it. Which is why whales are moving away from the studio system. They get a better bang for their buck with a girl who works freelance.

I've picked up enough girls who worked in cam studios to know what's wrong. Great girls who went on to be good earners, hard workers and stuck around.

OK. Give me access to some girls who speak English, can do some videos and pics for promotion and willing to learn.

How much training do your studios give the girls?

Because they don't earn enough, or they're a totally different mindset to porn models?

I have evidence the former is the reason. The marketing is often aimed at the cam site, the visitor is presented with an array of girls who show little personality and less pre-selling. So it's hit and miss who wets picked and with those "browsing" the fall out is high.

The girls Barry was managing wanted more money because they could get it elsewhere or by other means, or the money was so little it wasn't worth it? So the business model of third world studios appeared.

It's the girls, or guys on the gay side, that make this business. We need to treat them with the respect they deserve. Over the years I've met far more good ones than bad ones. Many had worked camming. The most difficult were strippers, they seem to build a wall between themselves and the photographer. In saying that I've known some great girls who were strippers.

I refuse to accept that girls in the Third World can't be lured into working harder and targetted because they're from the Third World. Or because they work in the Cams side of porn.

I have heard of girls who were attractive, worked hard for me and stayed in the business for years. Who left cams because it paid crap. I know girls in the UK who make more in a day than they would be working for a studio. The freelance side is growing fast. I do accept that if a girl learns how to market herself, she may well leave a studio and go freelance.

The future is about harnessing those girls who can and will earn more by going freelance, giving them a webcam platform , ability to bill clients and a platform for promoting. The % may be less. But 10% or $1,000 is better than 30% of $200 and far better than 50% of nothing.

For those who get that right, the traffic is no longer a problem. The sites will be converting Tube traffic well enough to do away with a lot of costs.

You can be negative and say it won't work. I like being positive and saying it will.

By English speaking you mean native English speakers? Or, what I call Engerlish.

We manage a website and pay 6,000+ people as independent contractors every month. We don't own studios. So, I can't give you access. You don't seem to get it.

That varies by studio -- most camgirls study other successful camgirls to learn ( I should be more gender neutral and say 'web cam performers [M-F-TS]' ). Try ambercutie's that is where a lot of camgirls congregate. Cut your own deals. If you are right -- word will get around.

You have a lot to learn about cam models unless you want to recruit and train your own. There is 80% (affiliate+model/studio) on the high end that we offer and some other cam sites make similar offers.

Ignored Users: 12clicks, xenigo, DarkJedi, sandman!, baddog, CDSmith, DamageX, Dirty F, harvey, Amputate Your Head, noshit, galleryseek, Matt 26z, Best-In-BC, candyflip, roly, directfiesta, MetaMan, cambaby, xKingx, J$tyle$, klinton, CAHEK, gideongallery, Dcat, DukeSkywalker, JJ Gold, Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE, vegasbobby, TheSquealer, potter, NoComments, Barefootsies, Dvae, asdasd, cykoe6, ghjghj, Overload, socalkev, onwebcam, BFT3K, AtlantisCash, celandina, bl4h, Fat Panda, Michael Dell, PornMD, SatansCandy, wehateporn, femdomdestiny, mineistaken, Legendary Samir - BANNED FOR LIFE, smutnut, Just Alex, papill0n, oppoten, moeloubani, Dubya, Rumbledog, topnotch, standup guy, SmutHammer, KillerK, Joshua G, PornoStar69, NewNick, The Porn Nerd, Pussylove, JuicyBunny, helterskelter808, - LOL -, DangerX !!!, JohnnyClips, mamaliga, SDA CASH - Banned for Life AGAIN, goldassets, ThatOtherGuy - BANNED FOR LIFE, TubeKing, Internet User, Tijuana_Tom, Struggle4Bucks, ING82, you-big-dummy, VenusBlogger, Radical Bucks, crucifissio, ShoeBox, lezinterracial, xXXtesy10, London Banker, mychemicalromance, AutumnBH, MiamiBoyz, NewOldPlayer, Kasumi, afoo, winter_, evy97, JockoHomo, ITraffic, madeofmoney, escortmls, aka123, clickity click, DonJon69, Nitzer Ebb, plaster, Jigster715, Tubthumper, muthisdev

?

An what about it oppoten some people are just a waste of my time -- like you are :2 cents:

I think you have made my shit list for 4 years -- a GFY record! Yay!

Thats so cute the way you think...you remind me of me when I started...one is never too old to be naive I guess...

And shut up with the studio girls make pennies but independents rake in the dough crap LOL

So the people publishing the have little control over the production. The affiliates are controlled by Xlovecam and have little control over the product. Xlovecam seem willing to take on anyone who offers webcam models and Xlovecam have 6,000+ people as independent contractors every month. Xlovecam don't own studios. So, you can't give me access because the studios aren't that bothered about Xlovecam.

You don't seem to get it. Whereas I do. I opened the trap door and you fell in.

The future for webcam isn't about getting as many girls as possible with little control over who runs the studio, how the girls work, what the content is like and no control. Then dumping as much traffic as possible on the site. As stated this model doesn't earn enough to interest girls in the West. Forcing studios to go to the Third World.

The future's about delivering a quality product to people looking for quality. If webcam girls in the West can deliver it, they will. If a webcam company can build a framework that increases their income, they will make a lot of money. Because as we now know, Content is King to the consumer and they have a habit of flocking to it.

Cruci, no one here believes you own a studio. It would be very easy to prove you have girls working in a studio you control. Of course, pics can be faked, a live chat with a girl is harder to fake and easy to deliver if you run a studio.

I do not care if you do not believe I own a studio :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

what you write is most amusing :thumbsup

Well Paul open up a cam broadcast website from scratch make billions and we will all kiss your ring. You are so full of shit.

Legend in his own mind.
Streamate has a studio in Romania -- Cams.com has one in Las Vegas.
Contact these people.
We don't want to own or manage studios -- we contract with them.

Troll of the Year Award -- LMAO all the way to the bank buddy :2 cents:

This isn't a private conversation. Everyone else can see you back down.

@Barry maybe that's the future. Cam companies building and running studios, doing the marketing and making more money.

I had countless offers to turn our studio into a webcam studio and everyone was expecting me to build it, pay for it and wait for someone else to send the traffic. They promised I would make a fortune.

I always asked the same question. If you know so much and it's so profitable, why don't you run one yourself? Never had a satisfactory answer.

Meantime, the webcam websites are doing over $1 billion a year (*reasonable estimate) and you are making none of it and waving your finger at us -- LMAO.

It's a free world -- my first webcam site experience than cost me $40K+ to get an education ... What I tried was very similar to what you propose -- the same methodology basically and it failed -- but I was a newcomer that was learning on my own ticket. I hope you have better luck than I did :winkwink:

I am not going to move to a low wage country. I will not do this in the US because of the legal issues involved -- including the zoning regulations, state and federal laws -- I don't need the grief -- I am satisfied with the way I make money --TY.

What's cool about the cam site guys is that they never post to boards (except affiliate support), no matter the people talk about their sites, you never see anyone replying.

Except Barry and me :)

But we're not the bigger guys that Markham's and Quinn's would prefer to address. It's like, ok I hate the germans, but since there are none, I will complaint with the austrians there.

And you know we are all grateful for your stories and replies. I actually tell the story about the guy that kept screaming at you to close his account and then open his account as a cautionary tale against purely behavioral addiction.

Yes I think the number of "balanced" and "no any issue" people using cams is very limited. I didn't said "normal" since normality does not exist, and if you take the most common group of people as normal, they may have psychological and social issues actually.

There are several variations of the addicted. The most dramatic is the christian, esp. the catholic christian ones. They write that what they done is very bad, they're sinners and so on. Actually the catholic cristians of USA, Canada are the ones caring to porn most in the world, if you ask me, they take it as something very important and they feel the adrenaline of ending up in hell if caught. Atheists are sure making of it a less drama and less likely to spend all their money in that. Except if they think the girl is actually going to marry them, which is the oldest scam in earth and moved more private money than banks.

I'm only pointing out the obvious. Like other sectors of the industry, Webcams are adapting. The tools available for independent models are growing and easy to use. It allows them to market in a far more targetted way. Converting better from far less traffic to eant a lot more money.

If some companies insist on not changing, they will lose money.

Barry is trying to protect his business m,model to entice more affiliates. I have no problem with that, it's his job. Won't stop me pointing out how his part of the industry is adapting. Quoting what the industry makes, means nothing. It's down to the money in one's own wages that count.

Protecting our business model (*manning the barricades*) is not my prime mission.
I am more concerned with new development planning and the adaption of our resources, including technical resources, into highest value ROI. I am about making money not championing a cause.

I am not stopping you from doing what you think will make you money.
The investment of your time and money is.
If you think this is such a great idea fund it yourself -- that is what would I do.

You could do your idea for $5K or $10K with 2 or 3 webcamsites. That is not a high financial barrier to start a business. If you need money (doubt that) or a working partner it's out there for good ideas.

I am not buying. Nor am I making a job offer.

We have a model/studio program and an affiliate program they are open to you on the same terms as anyone else. I am sure many other webcam sites will offer you the same opportunity.

Show me -- you get 35% - 80% of the collected revenue per contracted agreement.
That is as fair of a business proposition as you will get.

If you want a paycheck find a job you are qualified for.
Cam Studio Boss experience: board warrior just don't cut it.

I know I am putting myself in middle of a Clash of Titans (Barry and Markham), and this may summon a Ghostbusters-worth armageddon.

So, I've both converted photo studios to cam studios (in siberia and ukraine) and started and managed multiple cam sites for 3rd parties (one of which being Met-Art), with both own managed studios and 3rd party studios and independent models. That's not since 1895 as Markham and Barry (no one questions they're older than anyone else here), yet, done this since 2003, enough to see all the changes (pre and post tube, pre and post myfreecams etc.).

Now if I understand the Clash of Titans debate:

Markham noted, that the cam sites are getting as many girls (whatever independent or studios) as possible with no control over who is there - i.e. like a facebook, anyone signups and is independent, the site it's just an automated platform (no any interest in studios, no any editorial action, just make sure everyone is 18+). However, Markham notes, such way it ends up (like tubes?) so the traffic unit is spread around endless offering and so "this model doesn't earn enough to interest girls in the West. Forcing studios to go to the Third World."

Markham's theory is that, even if he never accepted the offer of converting his photo studio to cam studio (and so he never tried to run a cam studio, or even less a cam site), he thinks that content "quality" (content is King), controlled by pro photo producers is the key, esp. for western cam production. And cam sites should actually (if I understand) allow to stream only a few models they deem as best "quality", and control them like movie or art directors, and so on.

Barry answers with a practical, statistical, historical statement: anyone could have tried to do what Markham said (and some tried), but really, most or all of up and running cam sites, simply let signup anyone. There's a natural selection happening there (free market, or evolutionary), so models who get tired (because no money or else reason) quit and others keep.

Now, anyone can take a look at the complete list of cam sites I wrote:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...-existing.html

There, one can see that most of what's at top does not own cam studios (ok, streamate and jasmin got some studio deals in east europe, but is a minority), and does not filter out "bad quality" models. Everyone can register, traffic is sent to site, then there's natural selection.

Now, if you scroll down to "smaller" sites, you find tubecamgirl (mine), seventeenlive, and a few others (that since was sold or died actually), that really limited the number of models and studios, and kept some control on studio (at least until recently). In fact back in 2003 when I started, it was common for cam sites to own the principal studios, care to "quality" and be art directors. This is how I started and suited perfectly with Met-Art where same model in photo set and cams was the Markham way.

Yes, Markham states that the future is the past. Markham's avatar pic is a Neanderthal man, an extinct race - he implies, really Neanderthals was best, and it was unfair that homo sapiens prevailed. The issue is, that most people in cams until 10-15 years ago believed in what Markham states today, and tried hard to own and control studios and to do beauty contest with performers, and keep out the bad quality ones. This is also cool for the ego of the chief pimp in office. Simply, this resulted in less sales, until some closed, or others "adapted" to take anyone and let the natural selection be done later, on site.

While it is true that most westerns (but also 3rd world's) performers try cams thinking they'll do money, and quit shortly after figuring that's not the case... and only those truly unemployed yet willing to cam, or simply horny exhibitionist character, or those who fished a single big whale paying all bills... keep doing cams for long time... yet there is not a single standard to rate "quality".

The bug in Markham's reasoning is that not everyone considers quality in the same way. Mine quality idea sent me to work at Met-Art, since I was convinced that Met-Art selected the models and the poses and "quality" in the best available way across the internet. Also I was producing content in same places (Ukraine, Russia) so it was just matter of convert photo studio to cam studio, by renting fast internet lines (expensive ast the time, now no more), 3ccd camcorders with firewire port and tripods (expensive - now a logitech $70 cam does excellent video), as well as bribes to the local police and all the package. The girls also was stealing toilet paper, tea and bringing home tons of stuff we had to buy in big amounts to account for studio usage plus all the stole for the families and friends of theirs across the whole city. In some cases they stole the whole studio (we found it empty, including refrigerators gone). That's fine, it was fun stories to tell like I do now.

So it went well, streaming met-art live shows inside met-art member area, sure I was delivering the right thing in the right place, anmd it matched my idea of quality. Yet something odd started to happen: one of the less pretty and especially less friendly or skilled girls (that I was nearly skipping: bad English speaking, goofy posing, often appeared bored in video etc.), got one single guy spending with her $5k+ a month, and this was like $90k in 12 months, all this single guy for this single otherwise unsuccessful girl. The guy later visited her in Russia, showered her of money, and she continued to bounce him anyway. Ok so I had discovered something new: this single bad quality content (according to all standards), bring to company $90k a year, which was higher than what the best content girls could bring by summing hundreds of happy but smaller customers.

A little later, I discovered that very bad video quality, lighting and background it can also bring more money than crystal clear super fast 3ccd camcorder studio streams. I was not allowing any stream under a certain speed and video, colos, lighting quality - however we had one Met-Art famous model that had simply that bad cam on bad internet at her home, she was far from nearest studio, so no choice, she was famous so I allowed. Well the guys was not minding the 1 frame per second, grainy and bad color video, since it was her! The model they admired in countless nice photosets. Further, she could not speak any english, so she just smiled and say hello, no interaction. The guys taking her in private was learning russian to just talk her. It was amasing.
I later allowed girls with very bad videos and framerate, and could not see any sales difference between good and bad video... counterintuitive really.

After the Met-Art era I could try with fat models, 40+ year old models, and there was always someone who liked that. Some guy simply was taking in private the girls to show himself wearing female clothes, not caring how the performer looked like. Other guys wanted the girl to tell them they have a small cock and losers. I ended up very confused at first, but then, I ended up with the practical evolutionary reality. You can't predict what stocks in the market will do well or bad, as well as you can't predict what cam performers will do well or bad. Just to an extent, Apple may do generally better than unknown stock, but some time this is not so.

Said this, we still do some filtering about who we register, and we limit the number of models online, that's old habits that have a meaning for small sites, but not really for big ones.

Sure the webcams market it is evolving, and people must adapt, but it is not evolving into "quality content controlled, edited by cam site director". This is actually the past and evolution was against that original idea.

True evolutions - that challenge the old business models - are others. ONe it was the free shows funded by tips... really, funded by other site paid show, splitcammed and rebroadcasted for free everywhere else in hope to get extra tips for the same. It really didn't started as: tip me and I will show you. It started that girls was splitcamming in all sites, and forgot to close other sites while in private in jasmin or streamate etc., and so people seen the private show for free in myfreecams and such, which was smart enough to allow this in free area. After others learned this method, almost everyone allowed and users became aware and it was quite a change for everyone.

Yet, when a guy like one specific girl, will waste all his money with her in private no matter there are thousands of other girls showing for free live, this is what everyone wanting to work with cams it should understand. If a guy wants a model that's her and the rest of the world, free or more quality, does not apply.

Another evolution it is sites relaxing the rules about don't give personal contacts. We never had this rule in place, since it was boring to police all the chats and video (girls used to write in paper their contact and show in video briefly, so not to show in chat logs etc.). Many performers (even if will never admit it in a forum) move the guys out of the cam sites and across cam sites (with their affiliate ID) all the time. At start I fighted this with nazi admins, but I ended up thinking that this is ok as long as I get as many stolen clients in site, as many as are stolen out. It's just matter if give a nice % for who brings the guy, so.. some girls bring guy away, some bring into, is ok. And by the way, even if again most girls will not admit in a forum, 99% of the traffic they get in their twitter is simply guys who google their cam site nicknake in the cam site, so yet another way to steal customers out of cam sites. The sad thing that all the traffic is in the cam sites which in turn it comes from the affiliates, the biggest of which are the tubes.

More than that, there is skype billing. Since the trend is girls getting in toich with the guys... in skype.. why not bill in skype video calls directly. I liked that and implemented that thanks to skyprivate plugin. Something no any cam site wanted to do, since the no direct contacts with client rule in first place. But I tend not to make big dramas about innovations, and tried it. So far, I see the guys like it, but most girls don't use it, as the girls prefer to just work the hours in cam site then off. Instead, having the beggar fan in skype it can be a 24/7 babysitting. I will have probably to add models who are more used to guys in skype (perhaps western models), and less into cam site only, preferined shifts (east europe studio girls).

And no, I don't think VR will be that next big thing in cam. At least not in the next 10 years, maybe in 20. It depends by the devices - brain teleported reality may increase adoption. In the meantime, bad light, slow framerate 2d cams with the girl of dreams (that may be eventually not sweet, not pretty and even rude with the guy), still cash the most.

Most cam performers work on a cam site for the existing customers and traffic that the cam site has.

If everyone does their job right we all make money.

There is always room for improvement and I will be more than happy to spread the profit around.

Make the sales any way you can and get paid within the rules of the game. But learn the game first ...

** there were yahoo messenger camgirls in c.2000 Skype is nothing new. Did that -- not worth the grief and you cannot scale out into a real business with that.

Holy hell, I am on there lol and I never even talked to the man on here. Hell I never even hardly post here lol

A wall of words that made no sense.

The ultimate link in the chain is the consumer. And while you went on and on flaming me, you failed to address them. Will they continue to consume tomorrow as they did yesterday?

Saying someone will like it shows your lack of business and sales acumen.

Most people bought porn, then online porn and TGPs appeared and a minority bought porn, as the TGPs got bigger and better the minority became smaller in % terms, then Tubes appeared and today less than 1-1,000 buys porn. The reason is simple, Content is King.

The regular user is always looking for something better. Tubes are not the best, by a long way, to consume porn. Free Cams will become the best way to consume webcam girls.

Believing that it won't work because it didn't work with old technology is wrong.

The girls who pre-sell themselves will sell more and soon they won't need studio systems of free cams. Those who believe in change will build the platform that makes Independent girls richer.

The surfer will always follow quality. As I stated in 2000 and was proven right.

Lastly, you only "have" the traffic you have at this minute. Otherwise, you wouldn't need to keep finding it. And that was proven years ago.

Damnnn bro he has quite a few of your old nicks on there :thumbsup

I bet many are also dark jedi's old nicks since he's a huge fan of the jews. :thumbsup:thumbsup

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

most of my models didnt know facebook existed on desktops but thought it was just a mobile app :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

its hilarious when you mention self promoting models it cracks me the fuck up :thumbsup

I fully understand the problem people have working in the Third World Webcam Studio business model. They have girls who can't speak English so need a translator typing for a group of girls, not educated enough to know about laptops, can't afford them, willing to work all week for what Western Girls earn in an hour, have filthy toilet and cleanliness habits, willing to be managed by losers, and all you say about them.

This is about the surfer preferring girls he can talk to directly 1-1, know more about the girl than just seeing her in a small window. It's the difference between a $10 street crack whore and a $500 an hour escort.

Maybe your models will continue with girls who are willing to earn $10 a day. The cream of the business will move to the $500 a day girls. The deciding factor is affiliates, who will keep sending traffic to girls who are so bad?

Paul if you think you can run a cam site profitably - do it.
Talk is cheap.

Paul Markham Teens Free Tube - Home

gee, I'm really impressed

There he pretty much tells you everything.

I do quite well but I would work for this guy for free just to learn.

they speak english fine, girls just aint in to computers paul....they buy shoes and bags instead...most of them never had a PC in their life LOL...did you ever have handbags paul?...do you know about handbags and what types are in or out?...of course not LOL...its hilarious when you speak about self promoting models LOL

your green-behind-the-ear-ness shows paul...you just spend a day with a model filming her chugging a dick and then you do not see her for months and you trip out you know shit about women LOL...I watch them being dumb lazy bitches every day :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You were the one offering me the opportunity to run a cam site.

I'm stating basic marketing and selling. You're showing that you can't compete with an adapting market. What you should be doing is looking at ways you can adapt. https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...e-attract.html Read it and think about it. If you can't adapt with the present studio model, you'll be left behind.

Paul Markham Teens Free Tube - Home nothing to do with me, the site owner is just using my name.

Meantime I an involved in running a cam site and you are just running your mouth off.

Very innovative use of your name and a copycat template.

The webcam business may be fraying at the seams but not for the reasons you think. You are making a lot of assumptions with little knowledge. Once again, all kinds of opportunities exist for someone innovative to work with any of the larger camsites and get most of the money.


No one is stopping you. Make me eat your dust -- Mr. Forward thinker ....

I visited last week some very classy studios in Colombia
I was fairly impressed, the LALExpo was a great event and provided us with a look inside the webcam quality deliverance there, and I was again Impressed!

:1orglaugh

autism alert:upsidedow

What was the quality of the product? Could the girls talk one to one with the clients in fluent English?

Could they or was someone else marketing girls as individuals with separate personalities?

This is key to the future for webcams. Girls chatting via a translator or speaking broken English to a customer are the SD version of a porn film, girls who can talk directly, market themselves as people. Are the HD version.

It's very clear that the Third World model will struggle against that level of product. And Third World studios can't deliver it. As Barry point out I would fail if I tried it here. Even he had problems doing it.

Can it be done with that part of the industries model? Website company publishing, Studio, Affiliate/Marketing and then the model getting a tiny slice of the cake.

Do the Free Cam sites use this system or are the first step away from it?

As for image quality!!!!

Excellent post - I too started circa 2003 and actually ran two studios.

The hot girls never earned nearly as close as those personable ones (and we're talking sites that charged $ 6 / minute in private). Our second best earner practically NEVER took her clothes off. She made the guys so guilty about willing to see her nude that they just surrendered to her.

Our top earner was super hot, but she was far from a bimbo type, she was smart and authentic, and what made her earn were whales that were not interested in bimbo action. Personality and style go a long way and no "programming" will ever change that. NOTE that she barely spoke English when she started, in only 3 months she learned to communicate well enough to be able to lead a conversation, and continuously worked on herself. In cca 6 months she was already the top earner.

I also sort of taught girls how to chat in order to establish a personal connection as opposed to just being a piece of meat that's well picked and well presented. That paid off like nothing else!

Porn vs. Cams are absolutely different animals. Cams are not even an instant buy - if you don't believe that try to promote cams, you'll see that immediately.

It's crystal clear who in this thread speaks from actual experience.

That's precisely what I'm getting at. You had to know what the customer would like if you taught the girls how to attract more of them.

did the more personable girls get more sign ups and faster ones that the rest?

Agree. One doesn't need to know how to then bake the cake to know it's best.

I agree that with a lot of girls it's not worth the effort, in my field only 1-5 made the grade here in Czech, 1-10 in the UK. Shooting some was an uphill struggle, some lasted a few hours. This is about motivating te best to reach a higher level. Like teaching, them how to chat to surfers.

Which for girls working in the Third World with no English skills is hard. They now compete with Chaturbate where the girls, based in their homes, talk to people.

My idea is to take it to another level.

About actual experience of working with cam girls let me copy paste a support request from a model that is happening right now with one admin:

admin:hello, you called?
model:why he cantg see me?
admin:you pressed pause? I see video stopped
model:why?
model:he wanted video stopped
model:because he doesnt see nothing
model:fuyck
admin:if video stops he cant see :P
model:not funny
model:wow
model:he is left me
model:because video frozen
admin:how can I see if all works if video is stopped?
model:i dont know
admin:please refresh
model:every site working
admin:all other rooms here are working also
model:now i close all tjhe site
model:all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
model:why your site doesnt work?:?
admin:you are only one with problem here now
model:what the fuck?????????????
admin:please refresh
model:no
admin:I told to refresh
model:fix my problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
admin:how can I fix if you dont do as I say?
admin:your video is frozen, so please refresh
model:no fuck
model:your stupid site is frozen
model:u stupiod?
model:all the sirte is working
model:and just this site doesnt work
admin:all other rooms here are working
model:shut up
model:not importnatnt for me
model:i dont care

(now, she refreshed the page)

admin:see? now video works normally
model:]now yes
model:but i lost member
model:and?
admin:yes because you didnt do as I ask
model:no
model:because site is shit
model:and stupid
model:and u too
model:bye
model:u cant to do nothing

(at this moment, the client returned, entering the private room)

client:ahh
client:i see u
model:hi
model:do u see me?
client:yes
model:it is very nice]
client:why u look so angry?
client:if u are pushing your eyes together u are looking angry
model:no
model:no
model:i had fight with support of site
client:aha
model:they dont want working
client:normal or?
model:can i smoke
client:sure
model:I am so drunk

(then private chat continues)

If that's the average encounter between model and customer. You have a real problem.

If it's a dumb model, yes we all have those experiences. I used to send them home. Why don't you?

The whole and main point of what I wrote (and everyone else reading, except you, have understood such a very easy point, as expected), it is:

* Customers want, and return spending money with, such kind of models that you would have "sent to home" because "low quality" and "real problem". I used to pick models with the very same requirements you talk about now (I believe running 5+ years of whole met-art cams + part of photos operation is enough of a reference?). But, for cams I had to change ideas - that's not like photos. Believe it or not, this is a fact, and not going to try to explain it with social, psychological or other rocket science. I don't even care as it counter intuitive and against the common sense. The guys who spend the most money in cams are different from those who go with escorts or look at pictures.

* If abusive, unpolite, ugly, bad mood, boring, "low quality" model it sells, and so if it works, that's enough, just don't fix what works. Look at the top page of cam4, chaturbate etc. you may see gross stuff - and the cute girls are in second page. I would NOT spend my money as customer with any of those models you would send home, but in fact I am NOT a cam site customer (as well as you aren't one), so our very good taste makes no any effect in cam site sales.

* I make an example: Paul Markham opens a fruit shop. He decides that he likes only Red Apples because it's the highest quality fruit. Fills whole shop with Red Apples. Customers pass by and start asking Green Apples, Pears, Apricots, Peachs, Paul Markham teaches every client that Red Apples are the best and he would never sell Green Apples, Pears, Apricots, Peachs. Nearby, Mr. RealCams opens a shop with Green Apples, Pears, Apricots, Peachs, and even Red Apples too. All the clients go to Mr. RealCams. Then, Paul Markham, starts to write in forums that the future is Red Apples, and RealCams should change, because times are changing, and RealCams should stop selling Pears, Apricots, Peachs, as the future is Red Apples.

So, your question: "I used to send them home. Why don't you?"... Because we serve the customers giving (and leaving in site) what the customer wants, and not what the site manager likes more. If the customers want the models we would send home, the best business decision is to keep them, and just have a (respectful) laugh at the guys who return spending money with these girls. Believe it or not.

If you intend to run a cam company like a personal service for your own usage (not for profit), that's a different thing.

You're making the mistake that I picked models I liked, I picked the ones that sold. If they sold I put up with their BS.

If you have customers that like that kind of model and are paying by the minute for this. GREAT!!!

I looked at the top page of Chaturbate, didn't see anyone getting problems or abuse. Didn't see many girls texting either, they were talking to men who were texting. Also saw a lot more traffic on Chaturbate than Barry's site. Can't see yours from your links.

To me the customer is king, he drives my marketing thinking and with Alexa rankings it's clear what customers want.

Chaturbate 305
Myfreecams 1015
chatroulette 13,233
Imlive 4584
sexcamly 55,068

And that's what drives me. What's your site's ranking?

If I ever did run a webcam site it would be a very personal service, from the moment the surfer landed on the site. Because Nearby, Mr. RealCams opens a shop with Green Apples, Pears, Apricots, Peachs, and even Red Apples too. All the clients go to Mr. RealCams those shops have already opened opened in the cam business and customers are already shopping in them. :1orglaugh

Ok so you finally understood that the customers pay for models me and you don't like and would not pay for. And what you do? you change topic into traffic.

You don't measure the site revenue with Alexa ranking. It used to mean something until 2005 or maybe 2010, but now little. Except the fact that it tracks some web and not mobile, you really measure how many indians, pakistani, brazilians, russians and arabs you got. That's what the 80% of traffic is made of, in 2016.
Just by closing the site from those countries, brings down ranking by 10 times. Our sites are in both signature and avatar image, if you can't see them you live in the wrong country.
Even the USA traffic is not USA, 10%+ is again arabs etc. under USA proxy, since they learned to use proxies to access all the sites.
Also 30% of those left who are really not 3rd works, are under 18.
Add to this that one can either use or not popunder adverts: $1 for 1000 hits. What jasmin used for ages and was alexa #50 or so. You can go alexa #5000 with few thousand dollars a month investment - but extra sales does not pay back even the investment (networks would not sell the traffic to you otherwise, but send to programs).
Other note, there are the whitelabels, these account for different domains.
So the actual sales rank of cam sites are very different from the alexa rankings, for example streamate.com is probably #1 in sales but nowhere #1 in alexa rank.

That's not the point, I didn't know what the customer wants, nobody knows what a customer wants the moment he enters the cam room, since every single one of them can and does look for something else.

If they look for pussy than you'll have a very hard time to make them a return customer since at that moment you're competing with any other cam girl (female) in the world. It's what else they're looking for that you need to find out.

One can look for more of a relationship type, the other one for a quick anonymous fix or role playing, the other one for domination, the other one for hairy armpits or smoking etc. etc.

I simply showed the girls how to engage the customers to increase the chances that they'll establish a connection and get one that returns.

We're not talking about looks / video / pics etc. that you can "target" to its audience based on a niche or criteria. But your goal is to get girls that are able to find and build "their audience", and "their audience" will vary majorly in a way you won't be able to predict.

There's no way to find out which one will make money and which one not based on some sort of an interview / her looks etc. Only the online time in front of the cam can tell.

I don't understand the question - they made the most money, as such girls always will. Nothing else matters to one's bottom line.

I don't know what cake is the best, because this is not about my taste, but about other people, and about results. Only numbers can tell, it doesn't have anything to do with my taste.

Again shooting something and selling a video / pics is a completely different animal than running an actual cam site that's based on interaction.

It's a whole different dimension added to it that's as complicated as the human nature itself, so one can't predict what somebody wants or not because thousand people will want a thousand different things. Only numbers tell.

Spot on about the difference between real traffic & Alexa's stats. I can see how cam sites would have to filter countries purely for bandwidth issues (depending on the setup), let alone those that never pay etc.

There is a seat for every ass -- exactamundo

We are able to sort models by attributes => customer clicks the menu.
Who the hell knows what every guy wants in a ''sexual encounter'' or even a casual internet ''relationship''.

Why are there 50 kinds of canned tomatoes at the grocery store?

Blah, blah, blah. If those girls weren't making money they would leave.

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?o=lt&...chaturbate.com

Global Rank 288
Rank in United States 256

Of course, Streamate - Live Sex Web Cam Video Chat - Free Memberships, XXX Live Sex Girls does well. It's doing what I'm talking about. With some of the girls

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?o=lt&...=streamate.com

Global Rank 10,551
Rank in United States 4,441

You can belittle the stats as much as you like, they show trends. And they show where the traffic come from.

Wrong, otherwise sites wouldn't have search facilities and shops would scatter products randomnly. Taking it as you say it, loses sales. The customers land on the site and sees a lot of weird stuff or stuff he doesn't want. He leaves.

This is a business about pleasing the mainstream, not slinging mud at the wall with the "someone might like it," attitude.


Because you can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.


The numbers are in. It's our job to know them.

I can sell more than pics and videos.

Makes no logical sense.

This is a case of those who can't, telling everyone it can't be done. With a touch of tunnel vision thinking.

I don't accept it can't be done, only that it hasn't been done yet. In this case, it's being done and those complaining are being left behind.

MyFreeCams.com - The #1 adult webcam community. Free live webcams and video-chat.
Streamate.com
https://chaturbate.com/siswet19/ be quick before they go.

They're all doing it on their sites.

Now let's discuss how they market themselves before the surfer gets to the site.