Darling, caming is a great money earing industry. Alive and well.
We might be cam whores, but we make about 24k $ a month.
That's something for someone that's dead..

OK my bad - I guess I fell for a bait. Apologize for having an actual real business experience in cams, from running a studio up to being involved in actually running a cam site with first hand access to all the data. I'm done trying to talk actual sense.

Let's rather talk out of one's ass spreading biased, over the top, borderline insane assumptions and try way too hard to ridicule anyone countering it with actual knowledge.

I guess not me or anybody else here can beat you in your own game of talking out of your ass Paul - Bravo! I'll give you that.

Good 4u:thumbsup

You don't need a mentor then ...

the paul has spoken!

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-med...4-4F3928DC.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

Are you working in a Thi9rd World Studio, unable to speak or write English, can't promote yourself, etc? Big NO to that question. DeviousAngel | Splash is what I'm posting about.

No need to apologise, you got the wrong end of the debate.

This is one of the funniest things I've ever read. You can actually picture him lecturing the shoppers about the virtues of Red Apples.

While I was in the UK I met and worked with 100s of girls who could have done great one-one videos. A girl who can talk to a camera while doing a sex act is fine for webcams. So long as she's not expected to work 8 hours for peanuts. Or are you going to say that because it's a different camera, the girls who apply for the webcam girls wanted ads are totally different to the girls who apply to the recorded porn models wanted ads? :upsidedow

There are the girls who can do, to some level, what Devious Angel has done. Which is very first class. All they need is a little help.

Someone to build a site, teach them the basics of building traffic, teach them how to convey themselves to the consumer. The rest needed, girls are doing all the time, taking pics and videos of themselves. Then they need to be directed to use those pics and videos to promote themselves.

As soon as I started shooting here, it was obvious that girls who haven't mastered English well enough to speak fluently were never going to do the videos I was doing in London. Which is why some think this won't work. Truth is it won't work for them.

All the negative posters saying it won't work are really saying it won't work for them. Trying to convince affiliates they're still the go-to site for pushing webcam traffic.

So to the future. ......................................

Can affiliates build, train, teach Western models to create their own sites, traffic, and customers? Some can and they can drive even more traffic to a girls site and make money.

The best option is a company takes this on. Supplying billing, webcam, promotion, sites, training, and the rest. Ads on Tubes become affordable doing away with affiliates and all the support they demand. Taking a lot less money than the Third World Studio Model deducts from the girls earning and therefore attracting the best girls.

Best girls = Best product = Best $$$$$$ Because customers are pleased with what's on offer.

So Barry, who needs a mentor?

Paul, Western webcam models got forums and they talk there in good English. One is under Stripperweb, another is under Ambercutie. I suggest you go there and read (and I hope not post!). They got big threads one per cam site, the more popular the cam site, the more the posts in the thread. Most of the posts are complaints, some are questions, some are advices. Regrding cam business, I learn from reading there some 100 times more than reading in GFY, obviously, as that's cam themed forums where actual models discuss.

In the past 10 years or so, there was countless models, affiliates, or models+affiliates, or models + their boyfriend, or single studios with many models, or group of cam site members, who have "create their own sites, traffic, and customers", and invariably, all of these failed to keep up. They ended with zero model online 24/7 and then put offline.

The idea of these people it was to keep out the bad inefficient pimps that are the cam site owners. Some was even a socialist cam cooperative site not for profit project by certain "bambalina" activist, who was so vocal she finally flamed with many and was banned.

Reality of facts: the only cam sites that reach and keep at least a medium size and 5+ years duration it is those founded by "professional" ACME/SPECTRE corporations with previous affiliate programs and/or multi million $ investments.

Reason: a cam site needs at least a dozen models online 24/7 which means one or more hundreds of active models per 30 days. Why? Because if your site only got 1 or 2 models and often no one online, the guys finally quit. It is the same issue of a shop with just Red Apples, and not the other fruits. And single cam girls or small amount of affiliates can't make it happen something big enough to reach the critical mass to stay up.

I've successfully setup different cam sites for different 3rd parties, none of these sites failed (either kept online forever, or was sold or spun off etc.). It just that I start a cam site only if I see this is viable. In all these cases I had availability of enough cash (in some cases even too much), traffic (in case of met-art, it was like pornhub today, for the times), and other ingredients (certain models and studios know I pay always, so whatever site I touch, they join immediately). In the case someone will offer me to start a cam site, but he misses some ingredient, I would not accept because I know I would fail, whatever I do have experience and I succeeded before.

In short, cam sites are a well defined, and not new, but instead known, science. You need to both have all the ingredients, and know how to use them in a recipe for success. Actually, most people start cam sites without some ingredient, but they don't even know they miss such an ingredient. In the case of Paul Markham, he would just put Red Apples, and lacking the pears etc. :)

I don't buddy :2 cents:

Lot's of startups looking for a new way -- go 4 it.
Put your money on the wood :2 cents:

Look at Periscope and Facetime.
WebRTC & OpenWeb RTC
You are beating a dead horse and don't even know it Paul.

So, we are spending $2 million on a new gTLD registry -- the .cam registry. The money came from our ''know-nothing'' webcam site profits. I am busy with that ATM.

We are waiting (still)
http://stoppornpiracy.com/boards/markham.jpg

Paul training his models

http://i.imgur.com/yd41V.jpg

Your reputation precedes you Paul.
You had a nice run while the money was easy.

Nothing but negativity and hate. By those who can't do something. That's already happening.

A lot of great info in this thread, read again, some negativity, some joking around. People communicating & sharing is a good thing :thumbsup

The problem is people protecting their business model and not looking forward.

I've been on Stripperweb and though it's more about strippers there's a good bit about webcam girls. Taking my time reading the posts.

Already sites with the most traffic have girls who can speak English, the traffic according to Alexa is coming from the West. These sites are growing in power. Not with new traffic, it's traffic that's returning and staying. Even a dumbnut like me can see that. A lot of the girls are working from home, where it seems they're not living in poverty.

The big difference on the two styles of sites is the selling the girls are doing. Some are having a good time teasing and luring clients in, some are going through the motions.

What I'm interested in is, what is happening to promote these girls? Who is promoting just a girl rather than the site?

I didn't hated you. In fact having your posts in a thread it can be inspirational. I would have not expressed my cam vision so in detail without your posts, they're so out of the world, that trigger exceptional brainstorming. Whoever liked my posts, should thank you for having caused these posts in first place. I am one of the few who voted to have Paul unbanned in GFY. And I would have banned dozens of others instead (NOT CurrentlySober, and not the bride clothed, clown makeup, skull licking briton who post daily news - both are true geniuses).

The clash really is more about personality clashes than conceptual.

I am a Monty Python type, I take things in the surreal, psychedelic level, and never this can bring to proper hate, but only to the absurdity of shops with only Red Apples.

Paul is narcissist type.

Barry will reply at every troll post, like a bot. But I admit I did laugh at the pics Barry posted. As well as him investing $2 million in .cam tld (really? I just dumped a few .xxx 's I renewed in error).

Barry, I worked with many programmers and I can recognise one with asperger syndrome. May you do the test at: Aspie Quiz , all tell the results. It produces a circle/polygon image and some text. I would bet a Red Apple, that you're fairly Asperger. That's a superpower actually, think Bill Gates and the inventor of BitTorrent and some 30% of the best science and art guys.

http://www.xlovecam.com/prm/xmlfeeds...sd=Sop hieDee

http://sp7.wlresources.com/imgSolo.p...8366NT3aSrw%3D

SophieDee was online so the image is live refresh.

It is not that hard to promote an individual model with us -- read the feed ...

Go to ICANN -- it is a matter of public record ACwebconnecting Holding BV is us.
What new businesses have you invested in this year -- anything interesting?

I will have xxx.cam for sale soon if I don't keep it for our own use as ''registry reserved''

After delving deeper into Stripperweb I see what I thought is the future of webcamming, is the present.

Western girls promoting themselves and making money. I suspect many of them have limited "webmaster" skills. How many would appreciate some help in that area? The only speedbump is how the webmaster gets paid.

Promoting an individual girl needs skills and contact with the girl. She has to provide pictures, videos, and a profile. It's essential she can speak English to get decent traffic, the better the English the more the traffic.

What's essential is to build desire for that girl only, like we do with solo girl sites, so the customer is sold on her before he lands on the site. Can we have a button that shows she's online camming, her schedule, etc? Rather than just a link to her page when she may or may not be working.

When I was shooting video in the UK I concentrated on the girls personality. The more they had, the better they sold. There were a few girls here who could have matched the English Girls. Petra, the one in the previous picture was possible, Christine who did the video sitting on my face was definite and a few more. But for most English and sex at the same time were a problem.

And yes there were girls who had little camera personality and what it was, was faked. Just chatting like clones, looking bored and going through the motions. We can see them all the time.

ballsy move...

''Promoting an individual girl needs skills and contact with the girl. She has to provide pictures, videos, and a profile.''

How much cash are you going to pay them? A cam site can deliver them traffic and new customers -- something tangible -- we can get that content for free. What can you give them -- a line of bullshit?

I don't want to be harsh but that is reality. Better cam models do promote themselves -- they have since day 1 FYI. I have seen a few affiliates make a deal to promote camgirls in return for affiliate website content -- that can work but is rare. Usually it is one model and one affiliate that know each other or make some interwebs deal.

Camgirls are not going to pay you an agent's fee of 10%. Cam sites will only pay you as an affiliate. We pay a 2% to 5% fee for models but only when you can deliver us 20 or more. Some cam sites will pay a one time referral fee $50 or $100 that I have seen. Where is the money in your business plan?

No idea is worth a shit unless you can monetize it (notwithstanding a charity).

We decided to roll the dice -- how they land IDK.

Troll note: made the Aspie test? :)

Investments: The cam sites go auto pilot with 1 CEO (spends time collecting star wars fan material), 1 admin (mostly to register new models), and me part-time (mostly to do nothing, except sarcastic comments to carders and cheating affiliates - I do mainstream stuff really most of the time, never been a wholly adult guy). Cam CEO just collected profits past few years, with no any "investment". Except some media buying in 2011 or 2012... last investment in past 3 years was few $100's of developers to implement Skype plugin a month ago. Cam site just pays affiliates and models the $$ it should (which is what counts), and runs auto. There is no point in being into internet business if you work every day, it must run auto. And should not require to re-invest often.

Actually, specific to these last cam sites, I advised not to invest, and just to collect profits instead. That's a strategy. It worked so far. I also told several others who approached me in the past years, asking for help to open a cam site, about the minimum money needed and the risks associated. None opened a cam site, and instead been successful elsewhere.

I advised to invest instead to met-art at the time, and I think it was worth the results, at the time. There is a time to invest, and one to collect profits. I would advise to invest today's site, if the site it was bigger (to try do big change in market), or smaller (to avoid it dies), or else reason to think that investing $X one would get back $X plus more. But I honestly think the risk to waste money in investing in adult (in general, including TLDs I guess - where XXX initial sales may have been a special case because the first one) is too high. Who got a cash cow in adult, small or big, better to just get the cash, and not fix what works with cash you could keep for yourself or invest in gold, or even bitcoin.
I know of opportunities in mainstream for a $2M, but that's off topic in GFY. The reality is that there is not much happening in adult in past 5 years because who got big cash, it knows they should invest elsewhere than adult.

but isn't the affiliate who send most traffic to cam site ?:winkwink:
this come second, traffic brokers ,tubes and traffic deals done between cam owners with other source providers.

3-10% organic traffic
less than 1 % social media

I am not sure what you mean.

Affiliates have access to a lot of our content.
So long as any arrangement between an affiliate and a model or studio is in good faith I have no issue with it -- if that is what you mean?

FYI the new gTLD .cam is going to be 60%+ non adult.

"Adult" is not the investment it was 10 years ago.
Only a few Adult Businesses made it to an IPO with generally bad results in the end.

The 2 million I referred to is spent (or funded). We put our money on the wood :2 cents:

Please leave marketing to those who understand it.

Yes as I now see there are many Webcam models doing their own promotion, some do it well. Some have as much idea about it as your average webmaster. So all your posts about how it can't be done were just trolling.

As I said the problem would be payment.

Your new site, exactly what new developments will it be to the porn element of camming. Or just another site in higher resolution?

no it's not, i was talking about another topic " inbound traffic " seem i mistake your point :winkwink:

Send is the word. How many affiliates sell the girl before the person lands on her site? There's a very big difference.

Looking art how some girls promote themselves there's a huge gap in the marketing and selling skills. The worse are tweets that amount to little more than "I will be online at" others are delivering so much more. Not the type of content the webcam studios supply.

http://www.xlovecam.com/prm/xmlfeeds...sd=Sop hieDee doesn't work for me.

The first girl I saw on the site. https://www.xlovecam.com/en/#ChaudeNymph This is meant as no insult to her. Who is she other than a girl with big tits?

https://chaturbate.com/lessismore19/ who is she other than an ass and pussy?

Neither are selling, they just lay meat out on a slab hoping someone will buy.

I was kinda feeling bad for you before you shared this info :1orglaugh:1orglaugh I was just looking at the adult angle out of habit :1orglaugh makes sense now...

When will the new site be launched?

I really enjoy Stripperweb. I read there all the time. It can get a bit repetitive:

1. My boyfriend is angry at me Escorting/Stripping/Sugaring/Camming
2. I want to make 500/1000/2000 a week
3. How can I start Stripping/Escorting/Sugaring/Camming?
4. Girls who do slightly more sex acts than I choose to do are worthless whores!
5. What is Houston/NYC/Europe/California like?

But.... some of them are very smart. In one thread, they took a new cam studio down in minutes. Many of them are good at tech, and many make good money.

Perhaps you as a company make $24k/month, but the average "cam whore" as you say, makes far less. Most don't even reach $50/hr and only a few cam full time.

In fact, as the recent MFC leak proves, only a handful regularly make more than $10k/month.

Agree. The difference is amazing with some of the posts. They're girls at the sharp end and what I used to work with every day.

I've lost count of the crap models who bitched about the biz. Still meet a few good ones who had a great time. :thumbsup

I see it as a place for webmasters to get involved in building the girls sites, teaching them how to boost their earnings with good marketing, etc.

There are far too many camgirls for many to earn decent money. Too many noses in the trough = less for everyone. Site and studio owners and to blame for that. The "Someone will like it" attitude is stupid. Not enough girls have anything distinctive about them.

Then model training is appalling. Often the fault of the studio owner. They make excuses for the girls by saying sitting there for hours on end and getting abuse is the problem. The problem is they don't solve the problems.

Model marketing is often bad, they market the site rather than build desire for a particular girl. Surfers land on a site with no clue who they want. The surfer should be sold on the girl he wants before he lands on the site and then see her only or/and a few similar. Ever been in a restaurant with 50 things listed and you end up not knowing what to choose?

Paul, what makes you think that I would have the same taste (in attributes, appearance, etc) that you do in a camgirl (experience)? What makes you think the Joe Blow would find the same camgirl appealing that I would?

Stick to peddling pictures and videos.


30% of our models are in private making money (the XML file was captured 10 min ago).
I think we know what we are doing :2 cents: 117*$2 -$3/ a minute $265+- A MINUTE
do the math = 6 figures A DAY.

That is at Noon in Europe we wont get busy for another 8 hours -- 200+-*$2 -$3/ a minute $500+- A MINUTE

That's just me -- globally the cam industry is generating tens of thousands per hour -- I guess we all don't know what we are doing :1orglaugh

There is always an opportunity -- get in line ...

The top 10% of the camgirls make 80% of the money.

Like all workers -- more or less ...

In sites like MFC (as the $$ leaks shown), 5% of cam girls make the 90% of the money. In our sites it is the same. Literally, one model does 1000 and other does 1, in a same time frame. No matter how long online, how pretty or good they are. It mostly (if not only) matter they fished/hooked a big (or silly) whale, or couple of them - or none. You no more do money with simply shows to different people. You need the returning fan, or wanna-be boyfriend.
Prior to 2010, the money used to be more distributed, like 30% of the girls doing the 70% of the money. The girls was there, waiting always different customers for 3-15 minutes private hardcore shows - it made a salary. Today, the same guys browse the free live shows and troll the girls for free. And there are way more girls online anyway.

What it did not changed: when a guy get a crush on a girl, he will immediately ignore whatever millions of other girls, whatever they are pretty or show for free. They only want this one girl. Will return 1000 times and spend dozens of thousands $$ (or eur) per year with the girl. Most don't last more than 6 months, because they want to marry her so much and since this does not happen, things fall apart. However I can see couples cam girl + cam fan of "endless" duration. By endless I mean, I witnessed the guy spending hundreds $$ a month with the same girl since up to 10 years, across different sites I administered in the timeframe!

It's not about what you and I like. It's about what the masses like, not repeating the same old thing over and over again, about selling the girl, not the flesh. You throw out girls and hope someone will like one. You just said it.

Stick to driving traffic and leave marketing and porn to those who understand it.

If you were making so much money, you could be buying Tube Traffic and converting it profitably. Your girls wouldn't be leaving so quickly. Your aim should be to train the remaining 90% to earn more, market them so they get targetted traffic and throwing out the dross so as not to overload viewers with the selection.

When will the $2,000,000 site be live? I want to bookmark the date to see what you get for $2,000,000. I've made a monthly diary entry to ask you again.

Paul,
We are starting a registry -- not a website.
You have the opportunity with every major camsite to do your thing -- I really don't care what you do.
You don't because you can't.

You are just talking shit.

Barry do you have any content partners for your models that want to market with hardcore, or do you just let them choose their own?

Our models are free to associate however and market their content or promote their performances -- np contractually.

Our models can post their video content for members to subscribe to;
https://www.xlovecam.com/us/videos/
Clips of less than 2 mins are available to affiliates however the clips are not downloadable and only streamed in a flash player at present. It is like VOD but there are issues with the models' approval of the distribution of any video. Many models have, what I feel, is a false expectation of privacy -- they don't want the publicity -- I just let that ride.


Most models do not want the publicity and prefer to work several camsites making money off each site's existing customers and traffic sources. Most are just looking to make some money and then move on to other things. Being an adult cam performer is not a career decision for most models -- it is a means to some end. Most models, but not all, have little interest in "career development" and are just working for a paycheck.

Where am I ??

Hhhmmm :disgust

Spending $2 million on a registry? That has to be really something.

When will it be live? Can't wait to see what it does.

That makes sense - they're interested in split-cam and go. Most I deal with want to be "big" so I get a false sense of the market. Thanks for clarifying.

Actually, This began with an application in 2012.

We anticipate that you can buy your names at GoDaddy, or you favorite registrar late 2016 or early 2017.
We will not be dealing with the public notwithstanding premium domain name sales and auctions and domain name publicity deal with some Trademark owners possibly.

It is very technical with EEP, DDNS, Domain name pricing projection -- statistical analysis as well as overall corporate registry policy formulation.

$2 Million dollars is really not that much -- when you have it to venture on a serious plan :thumbsup Everything is relative -- Remember Bill Gates started working in his garage.