''Promoting an individual girl needs skills and contact with the girl. She has to provide pictures, videos, and a profile.''

How much cash are you going to pay them? A cam site can deliver them traffic and new customers -- something tangible -- we can get that content for free. What can you give them -- a line of bullshit?

I don't want to be harsh but that is reality. Better cam models do promote themselves -- they have since day 1 FYI. I have seen a few affiliates make a deal to promote camgirls in return for affiliate website content -- that can work but is rare. Usually it is one model and one affiliate that know each other or make some interwebs deal.

Camgirls are not going to pay you an agent's fee of 10%. Cam sites will only pay you as an affiliate. We pay a 2% to 5% fee for models but only when you can deliver us 20 or more. Some cam sites will pay a one time referral fee $50 or $100 that I have seen. Where is the money in your business plan?

No idea is worth a shit unless you can monetize it (notwithstanding a charity).

We decided to roll the dice -- how they land IDK.

Troll note: made the Aspie test? :)

Investments: The cam sites go auto pilot with 1 CEO (spends time collecting star wars fan material), 1 admin (mostly to register new models), and me part-time (mostly to do nothing, except sarcastic comments to carders and cheating affiliates - I do mainstream stuff really most of the time, never been a wholly adult guy). Cam CEO just collected profits past few years, with no any "investment". Except some media buying in 2011 or 2012... last investment in past 3 years was few $100's of developers to implement Skype plugin a month ago. Cam site just pays affiliates and models the $$ it should (which is what counts), and runs auto. There is no point in being into internet business if you work every day, it must run auto. And should not require to re-invest often.

Actually, specific to these last cam sites, I advised not to invest, and just to collect profits instead. That's a strategy. It worked so far. I also told several others who approached me in the past years, asking for help to open a cam site, about the minimum money needed and the risks associated. None opened a cam site, and instead been successful elsewhere.

I advised to invest instead to met-art at the time, and I think it was worth the results, at the time. There is a time to invest, and one to collect profits. I would advise to invest today's site, if the site it was bigger (to try do big change in market), or smaller (to avoid it dies), or else reason to think that investing $X one would get back $X plus more. But I honestly think the risk to waste money in investing in adult (in general, including TLDs I guess - where XXX initial sales may have been a special case because the first one) is too high. Who got a cash cow in adult, small or big, better to just get the cash, and not fix what works with cash you could keep for yourself or invest in gold, or even bitcoin.
I know of opportunities in mainstream for a $2M, but that's off topic in GFY. The reality is that there is not much happening in adult in past 5 years because who got big cash, it knows they should invest elsewhere than adult.

but isn't the affiliate who send most traffic to cam site ?:winkwink:
this come second, traffic brokers ,tubes and traffic deals done between cam owners with other source providers.

3-10% organic traffic
less than 1 % social media

I am not sure what you mean.

Affiliates have access to a lot of our content.
So long as any arrangement between an affiliate and a model or studio is in good faith I have no issue with it -- if that is what you mean?

FYI the new gTLD .cam is going to be 60%+ non adult.

"Adult" is not the investment it was 10 years ago.
Only a few Adult Businesses made it to an IPO with generally bad results in the end.

The 2 million I referred to is spent (or funded). We put our money on the wood :2 cents:

Please leave marketing to those who understand it.

Yes as I now see there are many Webcam models doing their own promotion, some do it well. Some have as much idea about it as your average webmaster. So all your posts about how it can't be done were just trolling.

As I said the problem would be payment.

Your new site, exactly what new developments will it be to the porn element of camming. Or just another site in higher resolution?

no it's not, i was talking about another topic " inbound traffic " seem i mistake your point :winkwink:

Send is the word. How many affiliates sell the girl before the person lands on her site? There's a very big difference.

Looking art how some girls promote themselves there's a huge gap in the marketing and selling skills. The worse are tweets that amount to little more than "I will be online at" others are delivering so much more. Not the type of content the webcam studios supply.

http://www.xlovecam.com/prm/xmlfeeds...sd=Sop hieDee doesn't work for me.

The first girl I saw on the site. https://www.xlovecam.com/en/#ChaudeNymph This is meant as no insult to her. Who is she other than a girl with big tits?

https://chaturbate.com/lessismore19/ who is she other than an ass and pussy?

Neither are selling, they just lay meat out on a slab hoping someone will buy.

I was kinda feeling bad for you before you shared this info :1orglaugh:1orglaugh I was just looking at the adult angle out of habit :1orglaugh makes sense now...

When will the new site be launched?

I really enjoy Stripperweb. I read there all the time. It can get a bit repetitive:

1. My boyfriend is angry at me Escorting/Stripping/Sugaring/Camming
2. I want to make 500/1000/2000 a week
3. How can I start Stripping/Escorting/Sugaring/Camming?
4. Girls who do slightly more sex acts than I choose to do are worthless whores!
5. What is Houston/NYC/Europe/California like?

But.... some of them are very smart. In one thread, they took a new cam studio down in minutes. Many of them are good at tech, and many make good money.

Perhaps you as a company make $24k/month, but the average "cam whore" as you say, makes far less. Most don't even reach $50/hr and only a few cam full time.

In fact, as the recent MFC leak proves, only a handful regularly make more than $10k/month.

Agree. The difference is amazing with some of the posts. They're girls at the sharp end and what I used to work with every day.

I've lost count of the crap models who bitched about the biz. Still meet a few good ones who had a great time. :thumbsup

I see it as a place for webmasters to get involved in building the girls sites, teaching them how to boost their earnings with good marketing, etc.

There are far too many camgirls for many to earn decent money. Too many noses in the trough = less for everyone. Site and studio owners and to blame for that. The "Someone will like it" attitude is stupid. Not enough girls have anything distinctive about them.

Then model training is appalling. Often the fault of the studio owner. They make excuses for the girls by saying sitting there for hours on end and getting abuse is the problem. The problem is they don't solve the problems.

Model marketing is often bad, they market the site rather than build desire for a particular girl. Surfers land on a site with no clue who they want. The surfer should be sold on the girl he wants before he lands on the site and then see her only or/and a few similar. Ever been in a restaurant with 50 things listed and you end up not knowing what to choose?

Paul, what makes you think that I would have the same taste (in attributes, appearance, etc) that you do in a camgirl (experience)? What makes you think the Joe Blow would find the same camgirl appealing that I would?

Stick to peddling pictures and videos.


30% of our models are in private making money (the XML file was captured 10 min ago).
I think we know what we are doing :2 cents: 117*$2 -$3/ a minute $265+- A MINUTE
do the math = 6 figures A DAY.

That is at Noon in Europe we wont get busy for another 8 hours -- 200+-*$2 -$3/ a minute $500+- A MINUTE

That's just me -- globally the cam industry is generating tens of thousands per hour -- I guess we all don't know what we are doing :1orglaugh

There is always an opportunity -- get in line ...

The top 10% of the camgirls make 80% of the money.

Like all workers -- more or less ...

In sites like MFC (as the $$ leaks shown), 5% of cam girls make the 90% of the money. In our sites it is the same. Literally, one model does 1000 and other does 1, in a same time frame. No matter how long online, how pretty or good they are. It mostly (if not only) matter they fished/hooked a big (or silly) whale, or couple of them - or none. You no more do money with simply shows to different people. You need the returning fan, or wanna-be boyfriend.
Prior to 2010, the money used to be more distributed, like 30% of the girls doing the 70% of the money. The girls was there, waiting always different customers for 3-15 minutes private hardcore shows - it made a salary. Today, the same guys browse the free live shows and troll the girls for free. And there are way more girls online anyway.

What it did not changed: when a guy get a crush on a girl, he will immediately ignore whatever millions of other girls, whatever they are pretty or show for free. They only want this one girl. Will return 1000 times and spend dozens of thousands $$ (or eur) per year with the girl. Most don't last more than 6 months, because they want to marry her so much and since this does not happen, things fall apart. However I can see couples cam girl + cam fan of "endless" duration. By endless I mean, I witnessed the guy spending hundreds $$ a month with the same girl since up to 10 years, across different sites I administered in the timeframe!

It's not about what you and I like. It's about what the masses like, not repeating the same old thing over and over again, about selling the girl, not the flesh. You throw out girls and hope someone will like one. You just said it.

Stick to driving traffic and leave marketing and porn to those who understand it.

If you were making so much money, you could be buying Tube Traffic and converting it profitably. Your girls wouldn't be leaving so quickly. Your aim should be to train the remaining 90% to earn more, market them so they get targetted traffic and throwing out the dross so as not to overload viewers with the selection.

When will the $2,000,000 site be live? I want to bookmark the date to see what you get for $2,000,000. I've made a monthly diary entry to ask you again.

Paul,
We are starting a registry -- not a website.
You have the opportunity with every major camsite to do your thing -- I really don't care what you do.
You don't because you can't.

You are just talking shit.

Barry do you have any content partners for your models that want to market with hardcore, or do you just let them choose their own?

Our models are free to associate however and market their content or promote their performances -- np contractually.

Our models can post their video content for members to subscribe to;
https://www.xlovecam.com/us/videos/
Clips of less than 2 mins are available to affiliates however the clips are not downloadable and only streamed in a flash player at present. It is like VOD but there are issues with the models' approval of the distribution of any video. Many models have, what I feel, is a false expectation of privacy -- they don't want the publicity -- I just let that ride.


Most models do not want the publicity and prefer to work several camsites making money off each site's existing customers and traffic sources. Most are just looking to make some money and then move on to other things. Being an adult cam performer is not a career decision for most models -- it is a means to some end. Most models, but not all, have little interest in "career development" and are just working for a paycheck.

Where am I ??

Hhhmmm :disgust

Spending $2 million on a registry? That has to be really something.

When will it be live? Can't wait to see what it does.

That makes sense - they're interested in split-cam and go. Most I deal with want to be "big" so I get a false sense of the market. Thanks for clarifying.

Actually, This began with an application in 2012.

We anticipate that you can buy your names at GoDaddy, or you favorite registrar late 2016 or early 2017.
We will not be dealing with the public notwithstanding premium domain name sales and auctions and domain name publicity deal with some Trademark owners possibly.

It is very technical with EEP, DDNS, Domain name pricing projection -- statistical analysis as well as overall corporate registry policy formulation.

$2 Million dollars is really not that much -- when you have it to venture on a serious plan :thumbsup Everything is relative -- Remember Bill Gates started working in his garage.