50 inside jobs :party-smi

You have summed up the situation very well indeed :thumbsup

I blame Obama.

Damn Obama.

its trump falt

No, not at all. I do not support my government just because it's my government. I am under no illusion as to what my government really is. I surely don't believe JFK died the way our government told us; The lies the US government told us about Vietnam is insane.

I'm sorry, I've read about this from every direction. I have copies of the 9/11 Comission Report, Debunking 911, and Debunking Debunking 911. Every piece of evidence they have can be easily explained.

When I read your non sense, there was only one thing that I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long

That's pretty much the deciding factor for me. 2 people can't keep a secret let alone 1000s.

"These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America's Founding Fathers" (c) Obama

i never fully bought the controlled demolition idea...my guess....and thats what it is, is that the buildings were designed so that if they failed structurally they would fall the way they did....that said there are a LOT of unanswered question around 9/11....I think the gov knew more than they are letting on and I am not buying that it all happened because of a handfull of guys with boxcutters....the people flying those planes were far more proficient than simple cessna training.....lots of unanswered questions around the pentagon crash and I believe that the USAF shot the plane over PN out of the sky plane (pardon the pun) and simple

Its doubtful any of us alive will ever know what REALLY happened but there IS more to it than we will ever know

Lucky Larry Silverstein is a weak link, as is Nick Rockerfeller. Larry admitted to WTC7 being pulled down, he also admitted to having plans for a new WTC7 before 9/11. Nick Rockerfeller told filmmaker Aaron Russo about 9/11 in advance, when Aaron Russo was dying he blew the whistle in an video interview, still available online

No you're just fully fucking hypnotized.

it's easier to believe when you take into account it was unattended to because there were no firemen available to do any good in putting it out.


it's really easy to get sucked into these conspiracies because people cherry pick facts and take giant leaps for assumptions like "they had contractors working in the building for months ahead of time!" of course they did! it's a giant building that was built in the 1970's! it needed a lot of maintenance! I do understand it complicates matters when you have the government covering up certain aspects of the incident which could be for a number of reasons, but it doesn't exactly make them the guilty parties involved either.

My favourite one is when people talk about the steel beams... Jet fuel can't melt steel? sure.. my black smith forge can't melt iron either... but if i put some weight on it after i heat it up a bit? I can bend it pretty damn easily and that is nowhere near irons melting point.

The way the buildings fell - including WTC 7 - is "odd" and sure do look like a demolition.

I've never read the buildings were "designed" to fall "this way"; I don't believe any buildings are designs to fall in a certain way. Buildings aren't designed to fall. In the case of the World Trade Center towers, they were designed to withstand an impact of a large plane. This makes sense; During the 1940s a large plane slammed into the Empire State Building. However, the towers were built to withstand an impact from a plane in the 1960s and not the planes we have today.

If you read about how the towers were constructed, it's rather interesting. The towers were build around the core which housed the elevators. If I recall correctly, the floors more or less "hung" from this core. The outer shell also helped to support each floor. This design was used to maximize open floor space - No need for supports. When the core was destroyed from the impact of the plane which also damaged the shell, there was nothing to support the floors. Eventually the upper floors fell, and when they fell they fell down. They wouldn't fall sideways and tip over.

The conspiracy of 9/11 is the Bush administration knew that Saudi Royals helped fund it and allowed that to be covered up and Obama has continued that cover up.

The fact that steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C)

WTC7 didn't get hit by a plane

No shit Sherlock Holmes. :thumbsup

The final report describes how debris from the collapse of WTC 1 ignited fires on at least 10 floors of WTC 7 at the western half of the south face. Fires on Floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 burned out of control, because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system had failed. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city's water supply. Those water lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2. These uncontrolled fires in WTC 7 eventually spread to the northeast part of the building, where the collapse began.

After 7 hours of uncontrolled fires, a steel girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building. Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade of floor failures to Floor 5. Column 79, no longer supported by a girder, buckled, triggering a rapid succession of structural failures that moved from east to west. All 23 central columns, followed by the exterior columns, failed in what's known as a "progressive collapse"--that is, local damage that spreads from one structural element to another, eventually resulting in the collapse of the entire structure.

If it had collapsed from fire it wouldn't have fallen so perfectly

Did the picture book you read mention the towers were designed to withstand jet impact ?

This would only account around the floors where the towers where hit, you would expect the steel above and below to remain firm

I understand I am asking difficult questions, there is no arrogance though, I would much prefer to be wrong on this one

superior serbian construction does not fall from no pussy ass cruise missiles :thumbsup
superior serbian sprinkler systems put out the fire :thumbsup

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http://www.b92.net/news/pics/2010/07...05_640x512.jpg

Notice the 911 truthers are the usual resident contrarians, dickheads, idiots and assholes?

How should it have fallen? Should it have tipped over?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

bronco67 is right. But probably just this once.

Allow me to ask a question of those who believe this was an inside job carried out by the US government. If you believe that, and you still live in the US, why do you still live here? Why would you live in a country that openly attacks and kills 3,000+ of its own citizens?

These qualified Structural Engineers and Architect's have an idea.

AE911Truth ? Architects & Engineers Investigating the destruction of all three World Trade Center skyscrapers on September 11 - Home

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you gov hired capital :1orglaugh

He said "pull it" meaning pull the rest of the firefighters out of the building after the fire chief said they couldn't contain the fire.

not sure if you missed his question.. or if you simply didn't know.. here is a document outlining how to debunk the thermite dust. You will see how it discusses this is 100% proven, and while difficult to debunk, you can do so in a straightforward manner by 'filibustering' every possible source of thermite dust.. yet every explanation it provides actually links back to the existence of an 'ultra hot metallic substance'.

https://digwithin.net/2013/12/08/thermite/

it's interesting that this would be so uncommon for disasters like this, that the firefighters and their commanders wouldn't have any clue about it.

1: Insider Traders Knew About Attacks Before They Happened

Right before the September 11th attacks, some fishy business happened within the stock market and insurance firms. An “extraordinary” amount of put options were placed on United Airlines and American Airlines stocks, the same airlines that were hijacked during the attacks. Many speculate that traders were tipped off about the attacks and profited from the tragedy. The Securities and Exchange Commission launched an insider trading investigation in which Osama bin Laden was a suspect, after receiving information from at least one Wall Street firm.


2. Air Defense Was Told To ‘Stand Down’

In the event that an airplane is hijacked, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is prepared to send out fighter jets, which can debilitate or shoot down the aircraft. On 9/11/01, NORAD generals said they learned of the hijackings in time to scramble fighter jets. Some skeptics believe NORAD commanded defense systems to “stand down,” because of their lack of presence during the attacks.


3. Planes Didn’t Make Twin Towers Collapse, Bombs Did

The World Trade Center collapse appeared similar to a controlled demolition. Many speculate that the towers were in fact blown down with explosives placed in selected locations. Some witnesses recounted hearing explosions inside the building as they attempted to escape. Many architects and scientists even maintain that a plane’s fuel cannot produce enough heat to melt the steel frames of the two buildings that collapsed.


4. The Pentagon Attack Scientifically Doesn’t Hold Up

The Pentagon crash may be the most puzzling event of the day. Theorists maintain that the impact holes in the Pentagon were much smaller than a commercial American Airlines plane. They also question why the plane was not shot down prior to impact, as well as why the plane impacted a section of the Pentagon that was vacant due to renovations.


5. Flight 93 Was Completely Staged

The fourth hijacked plane, Flight 93, crashed in Shanksville, Penn. It is believed that the passengers fought back and crashed the plane into a field. Skeptics believe that Flight 93 landed safely, while a substitute plane was shot out of the sky. Other theorists believe that the passengers were murdered, or relocated and will never be found.


6. Hijackers Are Alive. How Did Their Passports Survive Explosion?

After the September 11th attacks, the “Loose Change” documentary stated that all of the hijackers were actually alive in other countries – rather presumptuous since it is possible for two different people to have identical names. But they did raise a good point; how did the passports of the terrorists survive the explosion? In the aftermath of the attacks, passports and identification were found as evidence. Many skeptics question how identification made out of paper survived the same explosion that destroyed buildings.


7. Cell Phone Calls Made From Plane Were Faked

In-flight calls were made from cell phones in both hijacked airplanes. Scientists and skeptics maintain that cell phones could not receive reception from the altitude at which planes typically fly. Others questioned a phone call from a son to his mother, in which he referred to himself by his own first and last name.


8. Jewish People Knew Attack Was Going To Happen, Took Off Work On September 11th

Theorists noticed that 4,000 Jewish employees took off from work on September 11, 2001. Some of the first people to record the attacks on camera were also Jewish. Many became suspicious and put the religious group on the radar as suspects in the wake of the attack.


9. Black Boxes Found By Search Crew Kept Secret

During the weeks following the attack, the planes’ black boxes were one of the most important items under investigation. They were the only evidence into what happened inside the cockpits of the plane. Three of four black boxes were found and only one was in good enough condition to hear. The tape was not initially released, but was shared with families of the victims in 2002. Skeptics believe the tapes were not disclosed in order to support a secret scheme.


10. The Bin Laden Tapes Are Fake

Initially, Osama bin Laden denied any involvement with the attacks. Soon afterward, numerous tapes came out claiming he changed his mind and took full responsibility. Many skeptics believe that Bin Laden was targeted because of his stake in the stock market, as well as because of former President George W. Bush’s personal business ventures in the Middle East.


11. Aluminum Planes Can’t Penetrate Steel Structure Of World Trade Center

Commercial airplanes’ frames are constructed with a very light aluminum material in order to make it easier to fly. Theorists maintain there is no possible way an airplane can do as much damage to the Twin Towers as it did. They believe that missiles or explosives were used to ensure the buildings collapsed.

At most a partial collapse, not a perfect controlled demolition style collapse, that profession exists for a reason, you can't just start a few fires and expecting a building to fall perfectly into it's footprint

Larry was honest about pulling the building, as he didn't believe a controlled demo could be covered up

Scientists, knowledgeable people or whoever -- can say this doesn't look right, or that didn't fall the correct way, blah blah -- but they never talk about the aspects of controlled demolition and what's feasible. The logistics are impossible.

Why is it impossible, this would have been planned for years in advance?

how would a controlled demo be impossible? I have to pull up the info, but my understanding was the people in charge of the mess at the time were attempting to get permission to do a controlled demo on building 7. They were either not able to get it or were told no, and official story from there is 'pull it' means pulling firemen out of the building cause it was 'gone'

I dont believe Bush and Co sat around a table and planned this, but there is more to the story than we are being told.

Hijackers trained on small planes took over these high tech huge jet liners, turned them around and navigated them to hit these buildings square on? Even highly trained military and commercial pilots say they might not been even to pull this off.

Also, you just have to look at the way those buildings came down. The people who built the towers said they shouldnt have come down like that. Engineers for 911 have pretty much debunked the claims that the fell due to the impact of the planes and fires.
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Just doesnt ad up to me. I dont agure with people about this any more because what Ive learned is that the people who adamantly deny that there is something wrong with the official story are just scared shit less and I can understand that.

You are arguing that a fire cannot bring down a building and if it did it would not fall in it's own footprint and then.... show a video of a building on fire that falls straight down and doesn't tip over?

It's a partial collapse, the worst that would be expected from WTC7, think of the odds required for every steel beam to give in at the same time, even the ones where there was no fire

So now you're saying Bill Clinton's administration started the project, and Bush executed? You guys come up with on the spot bullshit to help yourself keep believing when holes are poked in your paper thin theories. Why do you want so badly to not grasp reality? Is reality too much for you?

I'll say this again...controlled demolition takes place in a gutted building with an army of engineers and tons of equipment, miles of wiring, etc. Taking down the largest structures in the world could not be a clandestine project that you chip away at here and there over a span of years. No matter how many times I say this, you guys just look past that fact and perpetuate your horseshit in any way you can.

Bill Clinton and his people had nothing to do with this, but this was certainly being planned by the Bush admin in advance, as we see in their PNAC documents. Notice how even though Bush didn't win the election, he still ended up in the Whitehouse, that was because there were big plans of war ahead

you see what you did there? Exactly what I accused you of in my last post. Stop with your stupid bullshit. Or don't stop. Either way you're a fucking idiot.