Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 21157024)

and of the thousands of people that would need to be involved not one ever confessed

...

you can also claim that god came to you and touched your penis - has about the same validity

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21157036)

First you say that nobody in the know has admitted it, but then when given a well-known example you say they made it up, so you keep moving the goalposts to fit your belief.

Solid scientific evidence has been presented many times, but you're waiting for the BBC or CNN to tell you, that obviously won't be happening as it would be a threat to national security

Originally Posted by scarlettcontent (Post 21156997)

buildings do not just fall. it has never happened before.:2 cents:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21156925)

For people to say they know exactly how a building should fall after it's been burning for hours is just ridiculous. They all have honorary degrees in physics.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 21157075)

There's enough media out there that would happily present proof if it could harm the US government - still nada.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 21157075)

and nothing of your so called "solid evidence" - usually presented in shaky Youtube videos - hasn't been debunked yet.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 21157075)

but at least with 9/11 conspiracies people like you are no danger to others - opposed to vaccination - where people like you are actually actively helping that children die.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21157090)

Ummmm yes it has...also no other buildings have been rammed into by airliners traveling at nearly 400mph with full tanks of jet fuel..

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21157090)

Ummmm yes it has...also no other buildings have been rammed into by airliners traveling at nearly 400mph with full tanks of jet fuel..

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21157102)

You didn't read what I said. I didn't say "a fire took down WTC".

Here is what took down WTC:
1) The moment one of the planes hit one of the towers, debris from the impact hit WTC 7 hit the building, did a small amount of damage, and caused fires.
2) When one tower fell, it was like an earthquake.
3) When the second tower fell, it was like another earthquake.
4) When one of the towers fell, debris hit the WTC 7. It did so much more than "hit" the building - It pretty much buried the lower floors. You could not leave WTC 7 because the exit was covered with debris.
5) When the towers fell, it did a lot of damage to one side of WTC7, which destroyed the support of the upper floors.
6) The fires continued for hours, which eventually did the building in.

The video you see is of the far side of the building which looks completely undamaged. It's very misleading.

Originally Posted by DrJsn (Post 21156439)

You don't think its suspicious that surrounding building fell even though they weren't hit?

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz (Post 21157237)

You will never convince those who drink the government cool-aid because they blindly accept the "official story".

Just like arguing religion with someone who has "faith" when all the evidence points to an obviously totally other conclusion.

It would rock their world to the very core to even entertain the thought that their protective government could do something like this to manipulate the population (collateral damage is perfectly acceptable and necessary to reach the ultimate goal) and horrify them to think that if the government can do this just imagine what else they are capable of doing (and next time perhaps to them or their family)!

Denial is a powerful thing indeed! :thumbsup

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 21157279)

I blame Obama.

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21157129)

WTC7 wouldn't have fallen so perfectly :2 cents:

Come on Rochard, you must know deep down what happened, you've spent enough time thinking about this, I'm guessing you're just being loyal to your government at this stage

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz (Post 21157237)

You will never convince those who drink the government cool-aid because they blindly accept the "official story".

Just like arguing religion with someone who has "faith" when all the evidence points to an obviously totally other conclusion.

It would rock their world to the very core to even entertain the thought that their protective government could do something like this to manipulate the population (collateral damage is perfectly acceptable and necessary to reach the ultimate goal) and horrify them to think that if the government can do this just imagine what else they are capable of doing (and next time perhaps to them or their family)!

Denial is a powerful thing indeed! :thumbsup

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 21156535)

if it was...it will come out eventually. the huge amount of people it would of taken to pull this off can't all go quietly.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 21157279)

I blame Obama.

Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 21157360)

That's pretty much the deciding factor for me. 2 people can't keep a secret let alone 1000s.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21157318)

I am under no illusion

Originally Posted by DrJsn (Post 21156541)

I find it hard to believe that only a fire took down a 47 story building.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 21157414)

i never fully bought the controlled demolition idea...my guess....and thats what it is, is that the buildings were designed so that if they failed structurally they would fall the way they did....that said there are a LOT of unanswered question around 9/11....I think the gov knew more than they are letting on and I am not buying that it all happened because of a handfull of guys with boxcutters....the people flying those planes were far more proficient than simple cessna training.....lots of unanswered questions around the pentagon crash and I believe that the USAF shot the plane over PN out of the sky plane (pardon the pun) and simple

Its doubtful any of us alive will ever know what REALLY happened but there IS more to it than we will ever know

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 21157414)

i never fully bought the controlled demolition idea...my guess....and thats what it is, is that the buildings were designed so that if they failed structurally they would fall the way they did....that said there are a LOT of unanswered question around 9/11....I think the gov knew more than they are letting on and I am not buying that it all happened because of a handfull of guys with boxcutters....the people flying those planes were far more proficient than simple cessna training.....lots of unanswered questions around the pentagon crash and I believe that the USAF shot the plane over PN out of the sky plane (pardon the pun) and simple

Its doubtful any of us alive will ever know what REALLY happened but there IS more to it than we will ever know

Originally Posted by skrog (Post 21157552)

The fact that steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C)

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21157579)

WTC7 didn't get hit by a plane

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21157579)

WTC7 didn't get hit by a plane

Originally Posted by skrog (Post 21157585)

The final report describes how debris from the collapse of WTC 1 ignited fires on at least 10 floors of WTC 7 at the western half of the south face. Fires on Floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 burned out of control, because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system had failed. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city's water supply. Those water lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2. These uncontrolled fires in WTC 7 eventually spread to the northeast part of the building, where the collapse began.

After 7 hours of uncontrolled fires, a steel girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building. Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade of floor failures to Floor 5. Column 79, no longer supported by a girder, buckled, triggering a rapid succession of structural failures that moved from east to west. All 23 central columns, followed by the exterior columns, failed in what's known as a "progressive collapse"--that is, local damage that spreads from one structural element to another, eventually resulting in the collapse of the entire structure.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21157543)

If you read about how the towers were constructed, it's rather interesting. The towers were build around the core which housed the elevators. If I recall correctly, the floors more or less "hung" from this core. The outer shell also helped to support each floor. This design was used to maximize open floor space - No need for supports. When the core was destroyed from the impact of the plane which also damaged the shell, there was nothing to support the floors. Eventually the upper floors fell, and when they fell they fell down. They wouldn't fall sideways and tip over.

Originally Posted by skrog (Post 21157552)

The fact that steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn't have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C)

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21157591)

If it had collapsed from fire it wouldn't have fallen so perfectly

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21157618)

This would only account around the floors where the towers where hit, you would expect the steel above and below to remain firm

Originally Posted by skrog (Post 21157627)

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21157591)

If it had collapsed from fire it wouldn't have fallen so perfectly

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21156658)

You're only displaying your complete ignorance of what happens when a building is rigged for controlled demolition. Let's entertain the notion/rumor that there were "maintenance men" working during non-working hours.

For one thing, the buildings were probably never truly empty in any sense of the word. There's cleaning people, security guards, etc who are there long after everyone goes home from work -- and probably lots of workaholics who stay late. No one talked to any of these mysterious maintenance men or filmed the massive amount of equipment needed -- which would need to be taken away from the site every day before everyone gets to their offices at 9am?

Do you realize the largest recorded controlled demolition is 2.7 million square feet of space and took months to rig with completely unfettered access? The building was long dead. No one worked there anymore while they drilled and gutted the fuck out of it to rig the miles of wiring and thousands of pounds of explosives.

The twin towers had 13 million square feet of space. Just one of the towers would be a job 3 times bigger and taller than the world record holder.

Think about all of the equipment and manpower needed, the logistics required to move that equipment hundreds of feet vertically and not disrupt the busy life of the twin Towers...and also do all of this drilling, wiring, removing debris, etc while never raising any suspicion. And not one of these black ops demolition experts ever felt remorseful for killing 3,000 Americans and blew the whistle?

You're an idiot. Educate yourself before you suggest dumb shit.