GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum (https://gfy.com/index.php)
-   Fucking Around & Business Discussion (https://gfy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=26)
-   -   Was 9/11 an inside job? (https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1216261)

kane 09-12-2016 05:46 PM

Allow me to ask a question of those who believe this was an inside job carried out by the US government. If you believe that, and you still live in the US, why do you still live here? Why would you live in a country that openly attacks and kills 3,000+ of its own citizens?

huey 09-12-2016 06:03 PM

These qualified Structural Engineers and Architect's have an idea.

AE911Truth ? Architects & Engineers Investigating the destruction of all three World Trade Center skyscrapers on September 11 - Home

skrog 09-12-2016 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21157984)
How should it have fallen? Should it have tipped over?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sarn 09-12-2016 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane (Post 21158014)
Allow me to ask a question of those who believe this was an inside job carried out by the US government. If you believe that, and you still live in the US, why do you still live here? Why would you live in a country that openly attacks and kills 3,000+ of its own citizens?

you gov hired capital :1orglaugh

OneHungLo 09-12-2016 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21157435)
Lucky Larry Silverstein is a weak link, as is Nick Rockerfeller. Larry admitted to WTC7 being pulled down, he also admitted to having plans for a new WTC7 before 9/11. Nick Rockerfeller told filmmaker Aaron Russo about 9/11 in advance, when Aaron Russo was dying he blew the whistle in an video interview, still available online

He said "pull it" meaning pull the rest of the firefighters out of the building after the fire chief said they couldn't contain the fire.

_Richard_ 09-13-2016 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21156658)

You're an idiot. Educate yourself before you suggest dumb shit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 21156715)
How do you explain the presense of thermite dust on surrounding buildings, jerkoff?

not sure if you missed his question.. or if you simply didn't know.. here is a document outlining how to debunk the thermite dust. You will see how it discusses this is 100% proven, and while difficult to debunk, you can do so in a straightforward manner by 'filibustering' every possible source of thermite dust.. yet every explanation it provides actually links back to the existence of an 'ultra hot metallic substance'.

https://digwithin.net/2013/12/08/thermite/

it's interesting that this would be so uncommon for disasters like this, that the firefighters and their commanders wouldn't have any clue about it.

scarlettcontent 09-13-2016 02:31 AM

1: Insider Traders Knew About Attacks Before They Happened

Right before the September 11th attacks, some fishy business happened within the stock market and insurance firms. An “extraordinary” amount of put options were placed on United Airlines and American Airlines stocks, the same airlines that were hijacked during the attacks. Many speculate that traders were tipped off about the attacks and profited from the tragedy. The Securities and Exchange Commission launched an insider trading investigation in which Osama bin Laden was a suspect, after receiving information from at least one Wall Street firm.


2. Air Defense Was Told To ‘Stand Down’

In the event that an airplane is hijacked, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is prepared to send out fighter jets, which can debilitate or shoot down the aircraft. On 9/11/01, NORAD generals said they learned of the hijackings in time to scramble fighter jets. Some skeptics believe NORAD commanded defense systems to “stand down,” because of their lack of presence during the attacks.


3. Planes Didn’t Make Twin Towers Collapse, Bombs Did

The World Trade Center collapse appeared similar to a controlled demolition. Many speculate that the towers were in fact blown down with explosives placed in selected locations. Some witnesses recounted hearing explosions inside the building as they attempted to escape. Many architects and scientists even maintain that a plane’s fuel cannot produce enough heat to melt the steel frames of the two buildings that collapsed.


4. The Pentagon Attack Scientifically Doesn’t Hold Up

The Pentagon crash may be the most puzzling event of the day. Theorists maintain that the impact holes in the Pentagon were much smaller than a commercial American Airlines plane. They also question why the plane was not shot down prior to impact, as well as why the plane impacted a section of the Pentagon that was vacant due to renovations.


5. Flight 93 Was Completely Staged

The fourth hijacked plane, Flight 93, crashed in Shanksville, Penn. It is believed that the passengers fought back and crashed the plane into a field. Skeptics believe that Flight 93 landed safely, while a substitute plane was shot out of the sky. Other theorists believe that the passengers were murdered, or relocated and will never be found.


6. Hijackers Are Alive. How Did Their Passports Survive Explosion?

After the September 11th attacks, the “Loose Change” documentary stated that all of the hijackers were actually alive in other countries – rather presumptuous since it is possible for two different people to have identical names. But they did raise a good point; how did the passports of the terrorists survive the explosion? In the aftermath of the attacks, passports and identification were found as evidence. Many skeptics question how identification made out of paper survived the same explosion that destroyed buildings.


7. Cell Phone Calls Made From Plane Were Faked

In-flight calls were made from cell phones in both hijacked airplanes. Scientists and skeptics maintain that cell phones could not receive reception from the altitude at which planes typically fly. Others questioned a phone call from a son to his mother, in which he referred to himself by his own first and last name.


8. Jewish People Knew Attack Was Going To Happen, Took Off Work On September 11th

Theorists noticed that 4,000 Jewish employees took off from work on September 11, 2001. Some of the first people to record the attacks on camera were also Jewish. Many became suspicious and put the religious group on the radar as suspects in the wake of the attack.


9. Black Boxes Found By Search Crew Kept Secret

During the weeks following the attack, the planes’ black boxes were one of the most important items under investigation. They were the only evidence into what happened inside the cockpits of the plane. Three of four black boxes were found and only one was in good enough condition to hear. The tape was not initially released, but was shared with families of the victims in 2002. Skeptics believe the tapes were not disclosed in order to support a secret scheme.


10. The Bin Laden Tapes Are Fake

Initially, Osama bin Laden denied any involvement with the attacks. Soon afterward, numerous tapes came out claiming he changed his mind and took full responsibility. Many skeptics believe that Bin Laden was targeted because of his stake in the stock market, as well as because of former President George W. Bush’s personal business ventures in the Middle East.


11. Aluminum Planes Can’t Penetrate Steel Structure Of World Trade Center

Commercial airplanes’ frames are constructed with a very light aluminum material in order to make it easier to fly. Theorists maintain there is no possible way an airplane can do as much damage to the Twin Towers as it did. They believe that missiles or explosives were used to ensure the buildings collapsed.

wehateporn 09-13-2016 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21157984)
How should it have fallen? Should it have tipped over?

At most a partial collapse, not a perfect controlled demolition style collapse, that profession exists for a reason, you can't just start a few fires and expecting a building to fall perfectly into it's footprint


wehateporn 09-13-2016 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 21158290)
He said "pull it" meaning pull the rest of the firefighters out of the building after the fire chief said they couldn't contain the fire.

Larry was honest about pulling the building, as he didn't believe a controlled demo could be covered up

scarlettcontent 09-13-2016 04:53 AM


bronco67 09-13-2016 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by huey (Post 21158038)

Scientists, knowledgeable people or whoever -- can say this doesn't look right, or that didn't fall the correct way, blah blah -- but they never talk about the aspects of controlled demolition and what's feasible. The logistics are impossible.

wehateporn 09-13-2016 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21158917)
but they never talk about the aspects of controlled demolition and what's feasible. The logistics are impossible.

Why is it impossible, this would have been planned for years in advance?

_Richard_ 09-13-2016 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21158917)
Scientists, knowledgeable people or whoever -- can say this doesn't look right, or that didn't fall the correct way, blah blah -- but they never talk about the aspects of controlled demolition and what's feasible. The logistics are impossible.

how would a controlled demo be impossible? I have to pull up the info, but my understanding was the people in charge of the mess at the time were attempting to get permission to do a controlled demo on building 7. They were either not able to get it or were told no, and official story from there is 'pull it' means pulling firemen out of the building cause it was 'gone'

Martin 09-13-2016 07:38 AM

I dont believe Bush and Co sat around a table and planned this, but there is more to the story than we are being told.

Hijackers trained on small planes took over these high tech huge jet liners, turned them around and navigated them to hit these buildings square on? Even highly trained military and commercial pilots say they might not been even to pull this off.

Also, you just have to look at the way those buildings came down. The people who built the towers said they shouldnt have come down like that. Engineers for 911 have pretty much debunked the claims that the fell due to the impact of the planes and fires.
J
Just doesnt ad up to me. I dont agure with people about this any more because what Ive learned is that the people who adamantly deny that there is something wrong with the official story are just scared shit less and I can understand that.

Relic 09-13-2016 09:18 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmita

Rochard 09-13-2016 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21158518)
At most a partial collapse, not a perfect controlled demolition style collapse, that profession exists for a reason, you can't just start a few fires and expecting a building to fall perfectly into it's footprint


You are arguing that a fire cannot bring down a building and if it did it would not fall in it's own footprint and then.... show a video of a building on fire that falls straight down and doesn't tip over?

wehateporn 09-13-2016 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21159205)
You are arguing that a fire cannot bring down a building and if it did it would not fall in it's own footprint and then.... show a video of a building on fire that falls straight down and doesn't tip over?

It's a partial collapse, the worst that would be expected from WTC7, think of the odds required for every steel beam to give in at the same time, even the ones where there was no fire

bronco67 09-13-2016 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21158929)
Why is it impossible, this would have been planned for years in advance?

So now you're saying Bill Clinton's administration started the project, and Bush executed? You guys come up with on the spot bullshit to help yourself keep believing when holes are poked in your paper thin theories. Why do you want so badly to not grasp reality? Is reality too much for you?

I'll say this again...controlled demolition takes place in a gutted building with an army of engineers and tons of equipment, miles of wiring, etc. Taking down the largest structures in the world could not be a clandestine project that you chip away at here and there over a span of years. No matter how many times I say this, you guys just look past that fact and perpetuate your horseshit in any way you can.

wehateporn 09-13-2016 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21159274)
So now you're saying Bill Clinton's administration started the project, and Bush executed? You guys come up with on the spot bullshit to help yourself keep believing when holes are poked in your paper thin theories. Why do you want so badly to not grasp reality? Is reality too much for you?

I'll say this again...controlled demolition takes place in a gutted building with an army of engineers and tons of equipment, miles of wiring, etc. Taking down the largest structures in the world could not be a clandestine project. No matter how many times I say this, you guys just look past that fact and perpetuate your horseshit in any way you can.

Bill Clinton and his people had nothing to do with this, but this was certainly being planned by the Bush admin in advance, as we see in their PNAC documents. Notice how even though Bush didn't win the election, he still ended up in the Whitehouse, that was because there were big plans of war ahead

bronco67 09-13-2016 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21159289)
Bill Clinton and his people had nothing to do with this, but this was certainly being planned by the Bush admin in advance, as we see in their PNAC documents. Notice how even though Bush didn't win the election, he still ended up in the Whitehouse, that was because there were big plans of war ahead

you see what you did there? Exactly what I accused you of in my last post. Stop with your stupid bullshit. Or don't stop. Either way you're a fucking idiot.

wehateporn 09-13-2016 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21159331)
you see what you did there? Exactly what I accused you of in my last post. Stop with your stupid bullshit. Or don't stop. Either way you're a fucking idiot.

Controlled demo is easy stuff for these people, especially when they have full access to the building, far harder for Bin Laden to organize an attack on the main world superpower from a cave, sending guys with boxcutters :2 cents:

I understand, it's not nice, if you admit this to yourself it will give you problems, same reason many stick with religious beliefs. It wasn't easy for me at the beginning either


skrog 09-13-2016 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21159331)
you see what you did there? Exactly what I accused you of in my last post. Stop with your stupid bullshit. Or don't stop. Either way you're a fucking idiot.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

wehateporn 09-13-2016 11:04 AM

Some physics


Brian8377 09-13-2016 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 21157414)
i never fully bought the controlled demolition idea...my guess....and thats what it is, is that the buildings were designed so that if they failed structurally they would fall the way they did....that said there are a LOT of unanswered question around 9/11....I think the gov knew more than they are letting on and I am not buying that it all happened because of a handfull of guys with boxcutters....the people flying those planes were far more proficient than simple cessna training.....lots of unanswered questions around the pentagon crash and I believe that the USAF shot the plane over PN out of the sky plane (pardon the pun) and simple

Its doubtful any of us alive will ever know what REALLY happened but there IS more to it than we will ever know

Several people on the plane told people what they were going to do and even said we have to go we are going to take the plane over now and within 5 minutes it was down.

Major (Tom) 09-13-2016 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21156658)
You're only displaying your complete ignorance of what happens when a building is rigged for controlled demolition. Let's entertain the notion/rumor that there were "maintenance men" working during non-working hours.

For one thing, the buildings were probably never truly empty in any sense of the word. There's cleaning people, security guards, etc who are there long after everyone goes home from work -- and probably lots of workaholics who stay late. No one talked to any of these mysterious maintenance men or filmed the massive amount of equipment needed -- which would need to be taken away from the site every day before everyone gets to their offices at 9am?

Do you realize the largest recorded controlled demolition is 2.7 million square feet of space and took months to rig with completely unfettered access? The building was long dead. No one worked there anymore while they drilled and gutted the fuck out of it to rig the miles of wiring and thousands of pounds of explosives.

The twin towers had 13 million square feet of space. Just one of the towers would be a job 3 times bigger and taller than the world record holder.

Think about all of the equipment and manpower needed, the logistics required to move that equipment hundreds of feet vertically and not disrupt the busy life of the twin Towers...and also do all of this drilling, wiring, removing debris, etc while never raising any suspicion. And not one of these black ops demolition experts ever felt remorseful for killing 3,000 Americans and blew the whistle?

You're an idiot. Educate yourself before you suggest dumb shit.

If you think for a second that these buildings couldnt be wired you are nuts. We are talking intelligence agencies here, not a bunch of schleps. This kind of operation could have taken years. And there were infact claims of maintence workers working in shafts and other parts of the buildings that doesn't require a mop and a bucket. Pull your thumb out of your ass and listen to the pop. We are no longer the good guys. Haven't been since kennedy died. Get used to that fact and stop waving your flag and stuffing your face with freedom fries. There is serious shit going on and I don't ever know if we'll get our country back. Wake up, wise up.

bronco67 09-13-2016 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 21159466)
If you think for a second that these buildings couldnt be wired you are nuts. We are talking intelligence agencies here, not a bunch of schleps. This kind of operation could have taken years. And there were infact claims of maintence workers working in shafts and other parts of the buildings that doesn't require a mop and a bucket. Pull your thumb out of your ass and listen to the pop. We are no longer the good guys. Haven't been since kennedy died. Get used to that fact and stop waving your flag and stuffing your face with freedom fries. There is serious shit going on and I don't ever know if we'll get our country back. Wake up, wise up.

There you guys go again with the "takes years" thing. That's implying Bill Clinton started this dark ops project to scare the American people into...what? An invasion of Iraq by his successor George Bush? So now Clinton and Bush are collaborators in this murderous project?

You guys don't think things through too well when coming up with your bullshit.

Again...it's another one of you morons with no idea of what happens when a building is rigged for controlled demolition. "Oh yeah..they could so it on the sly over a period of years."

Go watch some videos on Youtube about the process of preparing and rigging a building to be pulled down.

wehateporn 09-13-2016 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21159562)
There you guys go again with the "takes years" thing. That's implying Bill Clinton started this dark ops project to scare the American people into...what? An invasion of Iraq by his successor George Bush? So now Clinton and Bush are collaborators in this murderous project?

You guys don't think things through too well when coming up with your bullshit.

Again...it's another one of you morons with no idea of what happens when a building is rigged for controlled demolition. "Oh yeah..they could so it on the sly over a period of years."

Go watch some videos on Youtube about the process of preparing and rigging a building to be pulled down.

It's the shadow government who planned this, Clinton likely knew nothing or wanted nothing to do with it. Same people were writing to Clinton telling him to go to war, he refused, Monica was an attempt to get him out of the way so as the so-called War on Terror could be launched, 9/11 was the opening ceremony

bronco67 09-13-2016 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21159568)
It's the shadow government who planned this, Clinton likely knew nothing or wanted nothing to do with it. Same people were writing to Clinton telling him to go to war, he refused, Monica was an attempt to get him out of the way so as the so-called War on Terror could be launched, 9/11 was the opening ceremony


:1orglaugh Kill yourself. Please.

I really mean that.

wehateporn 09-13-2016 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21159571)
:1orglaugh Kill yourself. Please.

I really mean that.

That's because you're worried how it will make you feel if the Truth people are right, it will give you major problems, lots of pain and discomfort, eventually totally changing your world view :2 cents:

bronco67 09-13-2016 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21159445)
Some physics


OMG. He posted a Youtube video and cracked the case.

Major (Tom) 09-13-2016 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21159562)
There you guys go again with the "takes years" thing. That's implying Bill Clinton started this dark ops project to scare the American people into...what? An invasion of Iraq by his successor George Bush? So now Clinton and Bush are collaborators in this murderous project?

You guys don't think things through too well when coming up with your bullshit.

Again...it's another one of you morons with no idea of what happens when a building is rigged for controlled demolition. "Oh yeah..they could so it on the sly over a period of years."

Go watch some videos on Youtube about the process of preparing and rigging a building to be pulled down.

Clinton, bush probably had no idea

BlackCrayon 09-13-2016 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 21159604)
Clinton, bush probably had no idea

so who? the "Illuminati"?

wehateporn 09-13-2016 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 21159664)
so who? the "Illuminati"?

Listen for the laugh


noshit 09-13-2016 01:11 PM

Welp, Apparently They Were Able To Hit Two Buildings About As Wide As A City Block With Precision... But Somehow Missed An Area That Spans The Size Of A Small Town, The Whitehouse.
And!
Ended Up In Shanksville PA! ...Where There Was No Wreckage, No Bodies And No Noise!

Bin Laden Cave Wifi Must Have Went Down ATM

.

Major (Tom) 09-13-2016 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 21159664)
so who? the "Illuminati"?

I don't believe in that. I do, however, buy into the people behind the federal reserve having way more power than you think For example, the invasion of Iraq--it wasn't over WMDs or oil directly, but rather Iraq moving away from the greenback and using a different currency for the sale of their oil. That is what prompted the USA to "drop" some democracy. I also suspect based on past operations that have come to light that intelligence communities act with a large level of autonomy and agendas are sometimes steered towards what they feel is the correct path. Do you ever watch Homeland? Too many things do not add up. And that's a fact.
Ds

Rochard 09-13-2016 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 21159466)
If you think for a second that these buildings couldnt be wired you are nuts. We are talking intelligence agencies here, not a bunch of schleps. This kind of operation could have taken years. And there were infact claims of maintence workers working in shafts and other parts of the buildings that doesn't require a mop and a bucket. Pull your thumb out of your ass and listen to the pop. We are no longer the good guys. Haven't been since kennedy died. Get used to that fact and stop waving your flag and stuffing your face with freedom fries. There is serious shit going on and I don't ever know if we'll get our country back. Wake up, wise up.

There is a few problems with this.

You are talking about an operation that would have taken years, in a huge building with a lo of security and one hundred thousand possible witnesses a day. The odds of someone pulling that off would have been very low.

The best part about all of this is no one can explain why anyone in our government would want this done. So we can attack a land locked country with no oil? LOL.

Paul Markham 09-13-2016 02:19 PM

With so many Americans so distrusting of their Government. Why do you keep[ voting for the same guys every time?

wehateporn 09-13-2016 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21159913)
There is a few problems with this.

You are talking about an operation that would have taken years, in a huge building with a lo of security and one hundred thousand possible witnesses a day. The odds of someone pulling that off would have been very low.

The best part about all of this is no one can explain why anyone in our government would want this done. So we can attack a land locked country with no oil? LOL.


WTC security was run by the Bush family.

Read PNAC Rebuilding Americas Defenses for a clear explanation of the benefits of such a mobilising event, all explained there by the Bush admin

Major (Tom) 09-13-2016 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21159913)
There is a few problems with this.

You are talking about an operation that would have taken years, in a huge building with a lo of security and one hundred thousand possible witnesses a day. The odds of someone pulling that off would have been very low.

The best part about all of this is no one can explain why anyone in our government would want this done. So we can attack a land locked country with no oil? LOL.

Opium for starters. To fund operations like how the contras were funded.

Relic 09-13-2016 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21159940)
Why do you keep voting

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ation_book.jpg


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:51 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©2000-, AI Media Network Inc123