Agreed, if people want to do porn instead of work for Walmart level wages. They should go for it.

The part of the business I was in was tough, which is why few online content producers could get in. But yes selling our content online was easy.

My advice is, do not do what worked in 2004.

Can you fault that?

:1orglaugh

I didn't say that you can't make more than a Walmart salary with a paysite:1orglaugh
That's what you make of it:1orglaugh

trolls gotta troll

Honestly, I've heard <insert threat to industry here> since I started in this business in 1995/96. Cheap domains, cheap hosting, free hosting, free sites, TGP's, MGP's, forums, file lockers, p2p networks, blogs, tubes, social media, Bing, Google, ICM Registry, etc. 20 years later and the sky is still falling. Yet, some of us are still here and doing fine. Of course we're not still trying to do exactly what we did 15 years ago, but with some slight nuances and varying approaches, the ultimate target is the same. Truth is, some will find a way to work effectively in an ever evolving business while others will not, or can not.

That said, I've always held the belief that you have the power to make yourself invaluable to a company. And that holds true for any line of work, from brick and mortar to online. YOU have the power to make yourself an invaluable asset.

So yes, there is definitely money to be made online, including affiliate sales.

In any case, thanks for answering the question. The majority of your posts seem negative and make you often times sound rather bitter. Whether true or not, I was genuinely curious, that's all.

Enjoy your evening.

No, but you assume many are still doing what they did in 2004. There are limitations to the paysite business model but that does not mean there's no money left in them. Expectations are what need to be adjusted, that's all. Fifty sales a day in 2004 was great but 5 sales a day now is the norm so adjust accordingly or go sell shoes. :)

No thanks for me did that once, did Not worked out well, back in Adult now :1orglaugh

This brings me back to a such a cool time in the biz... good times. The content you mentioned was pretty good for its time though. I remember checking those content sites weekly for new content for AVS updates... Crissy M, Gauge, etc. haha... Phoenix had some of the best customer service too.

Let's build a time machine! :1orglaugh

JokersX had some of the best sets of Veronika Zemanova anywhere. She drew a lot of traffic and those sets were worth every penny as a direct result. I'd go so far as to say the JokersX sets of Veronika Zemanova probably generated more ROI for me than any other softcore set I ever purchased :)

Well some customers get upset when you suck on their toes.

Depends on the customer, of course. :D

Your really mean :1orglaugh

The major pain in my ass, as you know very well, is that I have too much stuff going on at once. If someone liked a particular project exceptionally well, for example putting up a tube or clip sale site on a domain like interracialsex.com and wanted to run it, oversee the construction and make the decisions in exchange for a % that's a good deal for me. But only if I think they might make a success out of it. Money is too tight to pay a significant fee for just 'consulting'.

You did say they could do it for little more than liking it.

Please post proof of people starting up and making 6 figure profits after a couple of years.

Agreed that people here are very negative about outside forces. The truth is since we started to do TGPs, ratios have got worse. The only thing that countered this were new surfers coming online. Once that stopped the decline set. Giving away more than any site could offer, was the last nail in the coffin.

There's still money to be made, look at the big Tubes for instance or sites that Met-Art and Mindgeek own, Adam and Eve are still doing well.

As well as they did last year? Better than they will do next year?

The limitations are in your mind. Be positive and rethink how to build a site people want, not one they might join.

Yes, there's still money left, just not as much as there was yet more than there will be.

That's how a decline works.

Most who were here in 2008 are now gone.

No worries amigo :) I am sure you got like 350+ emails so missing one or two is quite good score :winkwink:

I want to see this too.
So many big sponsors closed their once-hugely successful businesses, why?

I really really want to see the kind of money paysite owners are making now because I was about to invest in making one but now not so sure.

What kind of answer are you expecting? There are guys doing $x and others doing $xxxxx a day. Hope that helps ;)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You don't know what I said... it's all subjective...

Please post proof with screenshots that once you stopped shooting and updating next year your sales only declined 20%...

Now common and proof it mister Paul Proofham

The only indications we have are the reluctance to pay affiliates, content producers, cut back on content production. And the exodus of affiliates away from promoting paysites it promoting cams, dating, mainstream or even working offline.

Then people selling their sites. Mainly because updating them with quality content wasn't viable. There was a post recently with people suggesting Shap take over a site that has stopped updating with quality content. Affiliates immediately assume the company isn't being run properly. Maybe the joins aren't good enough to buy top-drawer content.

The reason why so many are getting out is the ROI is becoming pointless.

https://metartmoney.com/
Juggcash: Brazzers Affiliate Program - Make Money Online Fast
FameDollars Affiliate Websites

How many of these were independent sites back in the day?

As soon as you show the proof I asked for. Or is that your way of saying you can't post proof.

What about people who were only vaguely relevant 30 years ago giving business advice in 2016?

What Roald said.

Start a paysite and find out what YOU can squeeze out of it...

You ask me to post proof of claims I never made... like I said it's all subjective. What you ask from me says more about you than it says anything about what I said... Read again...

Why wouldn't you post proof? There are only 2 phrases in your vocabulary: "decline" and "post proof":1orglaugh So please after all your requests of posting proof in numerous threads... show us yours:

Show us prove that when you stopped producing and updating the decline after the first year was only 20%. Stop the "you show first" bullshit... you act like a adolescent with an authority problem...

You too :)

Smart man :thumbsup

Most of my posts have a reason. This one was to shake out and see what else may come from it. I've actually got as many if not better emails from this post than I did from the buying one. :thumbsup

If those people were right in predicting the future why not?

I predicted the decline of sold porn to free porn 16 years ago. Was I right or wrong?

I predicted that the industry would be dominated by a few companies and their sites. Was I right or wrong?

I predicted that once new surfers, from countries we can bill, started to decline. Sales would. Now there are no new surfers. The consequences are evident.

I predicted that most affiliates would be sidelined. Was I right or wrong?

There's still money to be made. My point is most of you are making a lot less than you were last year and a lot more than you will next year by selling paysites memberships. Am I right or wrong?

A prediction for the future. Bookmark it.

The traditional paysite has to change, they can't beat Tubes giving away 10,000s of free videos that are just as good to the consumer. The site has to work hard at making the surfer fall in love with the girls. A lot more than the Solo Girl sites of the past did. I'm assuming some can do this.

Webcams are changing. Third World Studios with boring girls who are hoping someone passing by likes her. Will lose to Independent girls who work hard at promoting themselves. This is already happening it will just get bigger.

Dating will move to Apps that are cheaper and better for users. This is already happening it will just get bigger.

So we can see the result of these emails soon as you join a site and start working on it. Be sure to tell us who they are once you sign up. :helpme

The difference between tube surfers & paysite members is crack in a motel 6 with a hooker vs coke in a 5 star with views, valet, room service and high end call girl. Or not. You are brainwashed to think there's no money and you think you're more than you're worth and price yourself out of ANY opportunity. I know You want to work, learn & adapt but you're sabotaging yourself. Your life could be what you know it should be but you're boxing yourself in for no reason but to suffer.

Nothing wrong with saying "teach me" instead of "I knew" "I know"

Just an observation.

Doesn't matter. The stats on conversions prove my point. If the difference was as great as you say. Conversions would be far better.

I don't want to or need to work. I'm out with my ill-gotten gains.

I have never said there's no money in porn. Just less. If you have to lie about what I say. You lose.

So teach us all about the future of online porn. You sold to Bookpress/Payserve because you couldn't keep your sites going. Is that what you have to teach us?

Payserve didn't buy anything from him...

Nice touch on Bookpress haha ;)

Paul please take your Ritalin as your hyperfocus really starts to become annoying....

The only thing I said is that you can still make a decent income with a paysite... Next you reply with "post proof of a starting paysite which generates a 6 figure net income within months... :1orglaugh

So now you've send me a PM :1orglaugh asking me if the company that bought my shit will continue to update or if they will run it on auto-pilot... and then: "My point is they will make more from it by letting it run down than you could by keeping it open."


First... it's none of my business so it's surely not your business...
Second.... you don't know anything about it...
Third.. this thread is not about me or anything I did...

Where are your manners, sending me a PM to ask me for personal details which are none of your business you rude pale English turd...
What are you trying to proof you bittered old man...
Please stick your nose in Eva's cunt as you have no reason to stick it in my affairs...
This is not a scientific laboratory so your continuous requests for "proof" all over the fucking place is hilarious...

I am exhaousted reading this thread... So, I will summarize it.

1) Shap sold shit when you can sell shit because there was not as much shit available.
2) He was ( is) smart he sold his shit when folks were dumb enough to buy shit.
3) instead of going golfing ( whoring, gambling, donating to his church etc..) he is suggesting that your shit may be worth some of his money.
4) the shit sellers are grabbing for straws to sell their shit to him.
5) Shap has a secret, he gets a hardon from reading this shit, but he is smart enough to know that "millthree" will not get him that far...so he is not buing anymore shit.

..it is all relative.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I wish I was one of his relatives. :winkwink:

The company that owns Payserve bought his sites. Do they update the site with new content, or just running it down?

We need to define what's a decent living.

Which is a good point.


Is that the best you can do?

If we can't post proof. you have no right to think your opinion is worth anything. My proof is the massive exodus of people going from paying for porn to getting it on Tubes. you're surely not going to say Tubes convert as well as TGPs.

What are you talking about? Payserve bought the sites. Payserve runs the online business of the company. Payserve makes any and all decisions in regards to online.

If our plan was to run it down why would we put any time in it? We had x amount of updates on the shelf when we bought it, we use that for updates. Based on the data we collect in the next months we will decide what the strategy will be after we run dry.

:2 cents:

Wrong.

1. Twistys was pretty good stuff.
2. He was smart when his level sold well.
3. I suspect he wants back in the business to earn money. Suggesting he wants to do it as a hobby, isn't credible.
4 Spot on.
5. ????

So I was right the company that owns Payserve, bought the sites.

As for running it down or building it up, that depends on future sales. Not on existing sales.

You quoted Bladewire saying we bought his sites. We did'n't buy anything from him. Payserve bought the sites from Strugggle4bucks. Pay attention please ;)

That's what I said no?

Dammit Shap, you and your threads!!!!

I don't have to define anything Paul...
I don't have to proof you anything Paul...
I don't have to proof anyone anything...

I could have continued to update Paul... no problem... I didn't have to borrow money to continue to shoot the content Paul...
I've sold it because of personal reasons with a life changing event coming up in my agenda...

That's all Paul...

Paul... please don't adapt... simply just please die...

mkay... bye Paul...

Shap was bought out by Manwin (MindGeek)

Relative as this:

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/22/22377...7298536c81.jpg

Not this:

https://i.imgflip.com/iplnf.jpg

But in the grand scheme of things who gives a shit about nuances :1orglaugh:thumbsup

I wish there were still models like Veronika Zemanova here - or Kyla Cole - or Peach - or...

:Oh crap

Paul you are currently a talker, not a doer.

When you become a doer again you'll gain the respect you've been pissing away on "being right" a decade ago.

Currently you come across as "I told you so" "things suck" "everyone is lying" "nobody knows better than me and I'm retired"

Meanwhile people still posting here after a decade and making great money you call liars & act like we have to show you financials so you can call us liars again or "the exception" and belittle the success. You've played this same game on here for years now, over and over.

You don't understand that the last place people are going to post detail93rd templates of success is on a board filled with scammers who will steal from you and copy your format until it holds no value anymore. It's not the early 2000's anymore you can't do that here now Paul!

There is no money in porn.
That's why a smart guy like Shap wants back in.

Makes sense. :)

:thumbsup:thumbsup Susana Spears :)

So post links to your sites so we can see what you do.

Yes, I'm retired. But using that as the only excuse to trash what I say is pointless, especially when you don't make public what you do. Saying I call people making great money liars. Post proof.

Any idea that's a success online has to be one that 99% can't do. Otherwise, once the site is online, it's easy to copy. Because as you say there will be 1,000s copying it. The only ideas that are good are those that are hard to copy.

Show us your sites so we can judge your abilities to offer advice.

No one has to post links or proof anything here Paul...

If you want to see sites to judge abilities to offer advice... where does that place you, Paul?
considering the huge success of 5dollarsporn.com and such...

nowhere near...

Let's not pretend your retirement was anything other than age & health issues. You chat as if you made your fortune and chose to retire, when that couldn't be further from what happened.

You failed miserably online, you fail miserably with all your threads, you failed miserably with your magic join links thread, you failed miserably when in 2007/8 you said "thats 100k uniues a month!!! Do you know ANYONE with that much traffic??' (sadly you were banned from the pond for being a huge douche, so you actually get away with that line to those who weren't around/active on the pond back then, but trust me a ton of us saw it and laughed our little bollocks off) when you stopped affs hotlinking your hotlinked 30Kb banner as it was killing your bandwidth.

You failed miserably when you tried to understand traffic.

You failed miserably when you tried to school anyone and everyone on traffic for the last 12 years.

You failed miserably at literally everything you touched online. You are so out of touch it isn't funny, and seem to think you can equate internet porn surfers with office furniture leads, or hell, the old time porn consumers who had to make a special outing many miles away instead of clicking a mouse even in the tgp days.

You failed miserably when you tried to school Barry on cams.

You failed miserably when you attempted to call anyone who tried to educate you a 'liar' because they don't want to send a stupid old cunt such as yourself their finances, private urls, invite-only programs, and whatever other nonsense you demanded of them because you have literally zero clue of the money being made - whether that was 2005 or last week.

You failed miserably when caught up in lies (see magic join links train wreck), you failed miserably when logging on from the same IP as a 'customer' to praise your own content on the pond with a fake nick, until outed by Aga (what thick cunt doesn't realise IPs are logged on forums lol).

You fucking suck at everything except being a former content provider back when competition was pretty much non-existent, and you fucking suck for never once having the balls to do what you so often demand of others and show your earnings, even though you are the one claiming you made a fortune and were 'able' to retire, instead of the reality where you *had* to retire.

You spread lies, misinformation, out-your-ass guesses, and proclaim them as facts, with a trademark 'prove me wrong' as your 'argument', to people who give literally zero fucks about you, what you do, or your 'input' on things you know fuck all about.

And yes, I failed miserably with my first paysite attempt. It sucked. Unlike you, I learned from that, and listened to people far wiser than me. Because sometimes, you need to shut the fuck up and listen, instead of trying to prove something you'll never, ever be.

The worst part is some people on here actually think you have a dram of knowledge, when in reality you are actively feeding them info detrimental to their business growth. You should be fucking ashamed of yourself. You're most likely much like the rest of us, generally a good bloke, no doubt a great family member, you try to be a good husband/father, and so on. All admirable traits, and only the extremely petty would knock anyone for that. On here however, and every board I've had the misfortune to read you on, you're the pub bore... the guy who thinks he knows best when 99% of people in the room know he is full of shit. The guy who thinks he is impressing everyone, when he is impressing only those that don't know him, or don't know enough to spot the tons of bullshit dribbling out of his mouth.

What are you, 70? And you still haven't learned the life lesson that sometimes people have things to teach you, all you need to do is be willing to learn? To be teachable. What a waste.