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BlackCrayon 12-06-2016 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21359866)
Again, you haven't been listening to what people want. Not what Liberals want. What a larger percent of the voting population wants. The same voting population which put more Republicans in elected office than at any other point in history since 2008. What they've wanted for years which is why Democrats have lost control of all 3 branches of Government and put Trump in the White House.

Jobs - wages have been flat for decades, people are tired of fake unemployment numbers being touted and told everything is great
Economy - slowest economic recovery since WWII - If Bush Caused the recession, then Obama is responsible for a horrible recovery. Fair,... right?
Illegal Immigration - 20 - 30 Million people in the country illegally
Better Trade Deals - we've been fucked on ever deal for decades
Health Care That Works for Them - Obamacare is a disaster and getting worse by the day as more insurers pull out
Less Corporate Interests Controlling Washington - The nation is run by special interests
Stop Blaming Others and Get to Work - Success and change do not come through blame

These are the primary reasons why Trump is your President.... and why no one gives a shit about an audio of grabbing a pussy or moronic tweets at 3am. People are suffering. People want change. People want the system itself shaken up.

these have been the same issues that people want "solutions" to for the past 25-30 years at least. no government in america or really any country has been able to successfully address them. trump won't be any different. there is no easy answer and in some cases there is simply no answer at all. there will be little to any change that will improve things, trump won't be a hero and nor will whoever comes next in 4 or 8 years when the country swings yet again.

Bladewire 12-06-2016 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21359866)
These are the primary reasons why Trump is your President.... and why no one gives a shit about an audio of grabbing a pussy or moronic tweets at 3am. People are suffering. People want change. People want the system itself shaken up.

Trump lost the election to Hillary Clinton by over 2,500,000 votes.

Trump might be voted president on Dec. 19th by 538 elite Electoral College voters overturning the will of the peoplel, but many are having serious second thoughts. Electors take anti-Trump battle to court - POLITICO

Trump is not President yet.

TheSquealer 12-06-2016 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 21359881)
these have been the same issues that people want "solutions" to for the past 25-30 years at least. no government in america or really any country has been able to successfully address them. trump won't be any different. there is no easy answer and in some cases there is simply no answer at all. there will be little to any change that will improve things, trump won't be a hero and nor will whoever comes next in 4 or 8 years when the country swings yet again.

The point is that THIS is what voters right now want to see addressed by a leader. I didn't think Trump could win until I saw Hillary constantly talking about Trump. Then it was pretty clear she was going to lose to me. People need to be sold the dream... thats what all elections are. Voting for what will hopefully be a better future in accordance to their priorities at the time of the election. People voted for that. She couldn't win by being a bitter witch under multiple criminal investigations talk about how bad the other guy is. I mean seriously? A career politician couldn't beat Trump. Thats not exactly a sign of how bad Trump is. It should have been a slam dunk.

TheSquealer 12-06-2016 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21359884)
Trump is not President yet.

He is in fact the President elect, fairly elected under Article 23 of the Constitution. Hillary accepts this. Obama accepts this. You can't hate that fact all you want, but it is still fact.

Barry-xlovecam 12-06-2016 01:23 PM

This is comical.

"His Orangeness" for the win.

45 years ago I was hearing the same sort of shit.
Ancient people were probably making shit-balls and tossing them at Hammurabi (the law giver -- not that ape).

Get the fuck over it :2 cents:

Bladewire 12-06-2016 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21359905)
He is in fact the President elect, fairly elected under Article 23 of the Constitution. Hillary accepts this. Obama accepts this. You can't hate that fact all you want, but it is still fact.

You do know the Electoral College elects the president, not voters. If 270 electors can't decide on one candidate then the Senate votes on who is President.

So no, Don the Con is not President, the process is not complete. You're ahead of yourself.

Who Will Elect the President? The Electoral College System | League of Women Voters

NewNick 12-06-2016 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21358813)
Another psycho who hasn't been paying attention.

Psycho ?

Because I dont bow to your superior intellect ?

Gee I'll try harder to follow next time Mam.

And lets just try and indulge your rantings for a moment. So Democrats made Trumpy President right ?

No thats horseshit. No mark Mr Angry types like you lapped up his devisive bile. Trump knows how to twist Mr Averge White guys buttons, and y'll lapped it up. Now you are running around serving up your post election guilt, blaming democrats because you fuckwits are getting the President that you deserve. Do you still want to build a wall and blame the Chinese because Americans dont want to work in a dangerous shithole sweatshop for $10 a day ?

The media just play whatever turns their audience on, the audience decides what is newsworthy, and if it happens to be the latest Trump outburst, or it happens to be the FBI rooting through Hillarys knicker drawer, then that is what news outlets will serve up.

So fuck you Mr Angry white guy - you got your guy in the White House, now we all have to live with it.

And despite your walls of text I have absolutely no idea why the fuck you think the rest of us should have converted to the madness.

TheSquealer 12-06-2016 03:26 PM

Again dumbass, Democrats had already lost the House and The Senate well before Trump became President. Democrats drove the Democrat bus right off a political cliff.... and then tried to get a criminal who was well known to not be trusted even by her own party as poll after poll after poll showed, as President.

Your not even intelligent enough to understand that I don't support Trump at all. I simply support your constant hand wringing and squirming and acting out like children because its amusing.

By the way, nice job making it racial as well. That is another reason Democrats are not controlling any of the 3 branches of government.

2MuchMark 12-06-2016 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21359839)
Trump Exposed How Bush Family Helped Bin Ladens Escape After 9/11 » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

He also allowed 9/11 by not protecting us, then allowing the rich Saudi families to leave the country while air space was restricted. He then got us entangled in a war based on false intel.

Alex Jones be cray


Bladewire 12-06-2016 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21360328)
Again dumbass, Democrats had already lost the House and The Senate well before Trump became President. Democrats drove the Democrat bus right off a political cliff.... and then tried to get a criminal who was well known to not be trusted even by her own party as poll after poll after poll showed, as President.

Your not even intelligent enough to understand that I don't support Trump at all. I simply support your constant hand wringing and squirming and acting out like children because its amusing.

By the way, nice job making it racial as well. That is another reason Democrats are not controlling any of the 3 branches of government.

You're so superior losing the vote to Clinton by millions. Wow you really spoke to America and the majority rejected you by the millions, so smart.

Rochard 12-06-2016 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21359839)
Trump Exposed How Bush Family Helped Bin Ladens Escape After 9/11 » Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

He also allowed 9/11 by not protecting us, then allowing the rich Saudi families to leave the country while air space was restricted. He then got us entangled in a war based on false intel.

You all know how I feel about 9/11 and this is something this has always bothered me.

Magnetron 12-06-2016 03:50 PM

I say, make sure the pantry is stocked with plenty of popcorn.

There's 4 years of Comedy Gold ahead.

And there's going to be no one to blame but the Republican Party.

Rochard 12-06-2016 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21359920)
You do know the Electoral College elects the president, not voters. If 270 electors can't decide on one candidate then the Senate votes on who is President.

So no, Don the Con is not President, the process is not complete. You're ahead of yourself.

Who Will Elect the President? The Electoral College System | League of Women Voters

You are wrong here. Trump has won the election.

The election is decided by the electoral college. It is highly unlikely the electoral college will not vote for Trump. In the event it goes to the Senate, well, that's a done deal too. If I recall correctly there are 100 seats in the Senate, 54 of which are Republican.

As much as this pains me to say, you need to accept this is over.

Relax. Take a valium and invest in a nice new TV. This will fun to watch.

Bladewire 12-06-2016 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21360442)
You are wrong here. Trump has won the election.

Did you not get the memo? The recounts are a troll sssshhhh

TheSquealer 12-06-2016 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21360397)
You're so superior losing the vote to Clinton by millions. Wow you really spoke to America and the majority rejected you by the millions, so smart.

Once again,.... Democrats have lost the House, the Senate AND the White House.

Two of those have absolutely ZERO to do with Trump and in addition to that, there are more Republicans elected on the state level than ever in the history of their party.

Also, ZERO to do with Trump.

Democrats have lost much much much more than just the White House since Obama has been President. Trump is not the cause of anything.... he's the symptom of actual problems... .which people want to deny.

NewNick 12-06-2016 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21360328)
Again dumbass, Democrats had already lost the House and The Senate well before Trump became President. Democrats drove the Democrat bus right off a political cliff.... and then tried to get a criminal who was well known to not be trusted even by her own party as poll after poll after poll showed, as President.

Your not even intelligent enough to understand that I don't support Trump at all. I simply support your constant hand wringing and squirming and acting out like children because its amusing.

By the way, nice job making it racial as well. That is another reason Democrats are not controlling any of the 3 branches of government.

There you go again Mr Angry, its a good job you are here to enlighten all the dumbass libs on what they should be thinking.

To be honest I dont care who you support, I just disagree with you. You dont deal with that very well.

I disagree with the whole premise that Joe Average is somehow suffering worse than he ever did, and the pesky politicians have let him down by not fixing it. This is such a crock of shite. The poor have always been poor and the average will remain so. If average Joe does not educate himself and find some skills that are in demand then he is fucked.

Average Joe needs to get out of his pickup and learn to code. Ex coal miners need to re train in industries that are thriving. Car plant workers need to ask themselves why the Germans and the Japanese build a better more aspirational car. And now unfortunately, truck drivers and cab drivers are about to go the same way when automation takes their jobs.

Politicians have not failed these people, unless of course you think we should dig coal even if other fuels are cheaper and cleaner, that everyone should drive a shitheap car, and that their should be laws against automation. Society changes - people have to change. The state does its best to help, no one starves, everyone gets a basic education, but if you dont take responsibility for your own future, then I am sorry an immigrant or a foreign worker might do your job for less money, but more than likely it will be a machine that puts you out of work.

Are we really saying we want big government spoon feeding us ?

kane 12-06-2016 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21360454)
Once again,.... Democrats have lost the House, the Senate AND the White House.

Two of those have absolutely ZERO to do with Trump and in addition to that, there are more Republicans elected on the state level than ever in the history of their party.

Also, ZERO to do with Trump.

Democrats have lost much much much more than just the White House since Obama has been President. Trump is not the cause of anything.... he's the symptom of actual problems... .which people want to deny.

And under Clinton, the Democrats came into power with all three houses and lost them. And under Bush, the Republicans held all three houses and lost them. Then it happened to Obama and it is likely to happen to Trump.

This does not mean there is a republican mandate running through America right now. The Republicans backed into this victory. They actually lost seats in both the House and Senate, but were able to barely hold onto them.

The problem is that both parties are very similar and the pattern shows that when one wins it invigorates the other and they turn out to vote while the followers of the party in power often assume they have it locked down and are less enthusiastic.

TheSquealer 12-06-2016 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21360532)
The problem is that both parties are very similar and the pattern shows that when one wins it invigorates the other and they turn out to vote while the followers of the party in power often assume they have it locked down and are less enthusiastic.

I agree with this 100%. They are both opposite sides of the same coin. The behaviors,the argument, the rhetoric etc is all the same.

However, i would suggest that just as in how our brain makes decisions (a team of rivals framework - where often 1000s competing "arguments" take place where you're only consciously aware of the top 1 or 2 or 3), so do we as a society. We function from a survival standpoint as a team of rivals. This is an evolutionary trait and the direct product of group selection. For the best decision to be reached for the group as a whole, there must be argument. A decision without argument leads to mass extinction when no one raises their hand to question as the group is threatened. For people to argue effectively, they must see things in very different ways and also fall prey to the illusion/belief that there is no other way to see it and that any other view is wrong... leading to disbelief and incredulity that anyone could even have a different opinion.

I am actually just super fascinated with the psychological aspects of this, of us of as as groups and as individuals. We all cling to narratives which fit our view and tend to defend them fiercely irregardless of the facts. We hear / see something we want to believe and begin searching for reasons to believe it... we hear / see something we don't want to believe and begin searching for reasons to disprove it. This election is funny because it pushes peoples buttons more than usual.

A sad thing is the divisiveness of the nation now. To me, (my opinion) Obama marked the beginning of political courtesy coming to an end and the beginning of a President only representing only 1/2 of the country. In years past such as those you mentioned, there was a great deal of courtesy and etiquette in addressing the other party using polite euphemisms such as "my colleagues across the aisle" etc. That was all replaced by Obama by direct attacks on "Republicans" and constantly using the word "Republicans" non stop as he vilified them... forgetting they also represent 1/2 of the people he is supposed to represent in this country. This has pushed the tribal behaviors, the hysteria, the continual parroting of fake narratives and ignoring any facts which speak to a view one doesn't agree with into overdrive. I feel this nation is more divided than its ever been in my lifetime ( i wasn't alive in the 60's or before) and the choice between Presidents being a hardened criminal who has nothing but contempt for the system, the law and the people and a narcissistic shithead reality tv star who needs to be banned from twitter.

This election should be a wake up call for a nation.. Not for democrats. Not for republicans. For everyone. but its not. It's just a new chance to push the "my team = good", "your team = bad" rhetoric into a new gear we haven't experienced yet, ANd its happening so much so, that issues and positions aren't even the focus anymore. We are all (as a society) just as bad as the media on a 24hr news cycle talking about nothing all day long.... while again we are not even really paying attention to the facts and issues but rather stupid sideshow shit.

Bladewire 12-06-2016 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21360454)
Once again,.... Democrats have lost the House, the Senate AND the White House.

Two of those have absolutely ZERO to do with Trump and in addition to that, there are more Republicans elected on the state level than ever in the history of their party.

Also, ZERO to do with Trump.

Democrats have lost much much much more than just the White House since Obama has been President. Trump is not the cause of anything.... he's the symptom of actual problems... .which people want to deny.

Gerrymandering, look it up.

When the majority of voters are on your side in the millions, you know you're on the right side of history :thumbsup

kane 12-06-2016 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21360694)
I agree with this 100%. They are both opposite sides of the same coin. The behaviors,the argument, the rhetoric etc is all the same.

However, i would suggest that just as in how our brain makes decisions (a team of rivals framework - where often 1000s competing "arguments" take place where you're only consciously aware of the top 1 or 2 or 3), so do we as a society. We function from a survival standpoint as a team of rivals. This is an evolutionary trait and the direct product of group selection. For the best decision to be reached for the group as a whole, there must be argument. A decision without argument leads to mass extinction when no one raises their hand to question as the group is threatened. For people to argue effectively, they must see things in very different ways and also fall prey to the illusion/belief that there is no other way to see it and that any other view is wrong... leading to disbelief and incredulity that anyone could even have a different opinion.

I am actually just super fascinated with the psychological aspects of this, of us of as as groups and as individuals. We all cling to narratives which fit our view and tend to defend them fiercely irregardless of the facts. We hear / see something we want to believe and begin searching for reasons to believe it... we hear / see something we don't want to believe and begin searching for reasons to disprove it. This election is funny because it pushes peoples buttons more than usual.

A sad thing is the divisiveness of the nation now. To me, (my opinion) Obama marked the beginning of political courtesy coming to an end and the beginning of a President only representing only 1/2 of the country. In years past such as those you mentioned, there was a great deal of courtesy and etiquette in addressing the other party using polite euphemisms such as "my colleagues across the aisle" etc. That was all replaced by Obama by direct attacks on "Republicans" and constantly using the word "Republicans" non stop as he vilified them... forgetting they also represent 1/2 of the people he is supposed to represent in this country. This has pushed the tribal behaviors, the hysteria, the continual parroting of fake narratives and ignoring any facts which speak to a view one doesn't agree with into overdrive. I feel this nation is more divided than its ever been in my lifetime ( i wasn't alive in the 60's or before) and the choice between Presidents being a hardened criminal who has nothing but contempt for the system, the law and the people and a narcissistic shithead reality tv star who needs to be banned from twitter.

This election should be a wake up call for a nation.. Not for democrats. Not for republicans. For everyone. but its not. It's just a new chance to push the "my team = good", "your team = bad" rhetoric into a new gear we haven't experienced yet, ANd its happening so much so, that issues and positions aren't even the focus anymore. We are all (as a society) just as bad as the media on a 24hr news cycle talking about nothing all day long.... while again we are not even really paying attention to the facts and issues but rather stupid sideshow shit.

I agree that we may have seen the last of political courtesy in this country, at least for some time. When Obama took office he had a 68% approval rating meaning people who didn't vote for him still were willing to give him a chance. Trump will take office with around a 5% approval rating. Those who didn't vote for him clearly are not willing to give him a shot.

That said, I think the road to getting here was a two-way street. Yes, Obama held the Republicans at arm's length, but it all started with them filibustering anything and everything he tried to do. They played the role of obstructionist and it worked because two years later they took back the House. I have a feeling we are about to see the same thing from the Democrats.

The thing is, people are now doing a strange thing. They bitch and complain about our leaders, but continue to vote for them and re-elect them and now with the level of divisiveness, they are emulating them. It is like watching a kid throw a tantrum and his mom gives him candy to make him stop so then adults started doing the same. We saw it in spades this election. Don't like Trump, you are a cuck or a Libertard. Don't like Clinton, you're a racist or a mysoginist. It's freaking crazy.

mineistaken 12-06-2016 05:47 PM

hundy media sheeple

TheSquealer 12-06-2016 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21360811)
The thing is, people are now doing a strange thing. They bitch and complain about our leaders, but continue to vote for them and re-elect them and now with the level of divisiveness, they are emulating them. It is like watching a kid throw a tantrum and his mom gives him candy to make him stop so then adults started doing the same. We saw it in spades this election. Don't like Trump, you are a cuck or a Libertard. Don't like Clinton, you're a racist or a mysoginist. It's freaking crazy.

I agree with everything you've said. It used to be that people were locked into arguing over the best solution for a problem which everyone agreed is a problem. Now the issues aren't even the point anymore, much less the solutions. It's all kinda troubling and it reminds me of Russia where people would just say stupid shit and then win by pounding their fist on the table the hardest and longest, winning not the debate, but simply a contest of wills.

kane 12-06-2016 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21360829)
I agree with everything you've said. It used to be that people were locked into arguing over the best solution for a problem which everyone agreed is a problem. Now the issues aren't even the point anymore, much less the solutions. It's all kinda troubling and it reminds me of Russia where people would just say stupid shit and then win by pounding their fist on the table the hardest and longest, winning not the debate, but simply a contest of wills.

My brother's former mother-in-law is that way. She is one of those people who feels like hers is the only correct way and if you don't agree you are wrong. Even if you point out 100 ways how she is incorrect about something she will just scream until people finally give in and do what she wants. She hates me because I never just shut up and let her win.

My favorite moment involving her was one year at Thanksgiving we all finish eating and some people are in one room watching football and others go into another room to watch a movie. We start flipping through the channels and we happen across the movie Seven. Someone jokes about it being a happy holiday movie. She says it is disgusting and should be banned. We tell her we were joking about watching it and switch the channel. She continues to go off about how movies like that should be banned. I point out that just because she doesn't like it doesn't mean it should be banned. She loves riding horses, I think that is a waste of time and money, but I don't think it should be banned. We debate this for a few minutes and then she said, "Well, if it were up to me, there would be no movies like this!" I said, "Well, I'm glad that is why we normally don't let crazy people be in charge." Even her husband laughed. She stomped out of the room and spent the next hour in the next room explaining to them why movies like Seven should be banned. This was several years ago. She will still occasionally comment on it. The last time I saw her was last year at Christmas when my brother had a bunch of people over and she was there to see his kids. She said something like, "Watch any movies that should be banned lately?"

jimmycooper 12-06-2016 09:31 PM

whiny cunts! how can they not accept the will of the people? the result of the election was clearly an indictment of the incumbent. fucking crybabies!

http://i.imgur.com/Fh7BK0P.jpg

Paul Markham 12-07-2016 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21359254)
Bush had eight years to fix this. He did not fix this. He allowed this to happen.

You really do not get it.

The people who fund Presidential and politicians elections were on a gravy train ride. They tell politicians what to do.

Trump is your only chance to break the hold of the big donors over your life. When the next elections come around in your area, Google who controls the candidates. The voters aren't in the list.

The UK has the same problem. The referendum on EU membership was won by the Leave camp. Now the Remain Camp, which most MPs are in, now want to make sure the UK can't leave.

Paul Markham 12-07-2016 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21359311)
Amazing isn't it?

Assuming this true, Bush had eight years to identify the problem, stop it, and prevent it form happening. Bush failed to do this. No matter how people try to spin this the recession we had at the end of Bush's term was the fault of Bush - nothing something the prior president did eight years before.

There is exactly where the term "passing the buck" comes from.

We are at 4.6% unemployment right now. I cannot wait to see where unemployment is two years from.

Bush should have stopped it, but didn't. Still, makes Clinton guilty of creating the situation which needed to be stopped. Obama could have pulled out of the ME instead, he went in and fucked up again.

Unemployment at 4.6%

Poverty at 13.5 percent and climbing.

Paul Markham 12-07-2016 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21359866)
Jobs - wages have been flat for decades, people are tired of fake unemployment numbers being touted and being told everything is great when they're suffering and see no hope for improvement
Economy - slowest economic recovery since WWII - If Bush Caused the recession, then Obama is responsible for a horrible recovery. Fair,... right?
Illegal Immigration - 20 - 30 Million people in the country illegally along with the negative economic impact that brings
Better Trade Deals - we've been fucked on ever deal for decades, abiding by absurd and often hobbling terms with the other not doing so
Health Care That Works for Them - Obamacare is a disaster and getting worse by the day as more insurers pull out
Less Corporate Interests Controlling Washington - The nation is run by special interests
Stop Blaming Others and Get to Work - Success and change do not come through blame

The situation over Healthcare illustrates how most Americans are being fucked by Corporate America. Obama tried to change it and was blocked.

Could he have started to put in place the system the rest of the modern world uses? Public National Health Services?

Not a bat's chance in hell, it would lose the 1% too much money.

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 21359881)
these have been the same issues that people want "solutions" to for the past 25-30 years at least. no government in america or really any country has been able to successfully address them. trump won't be any different. there is no easy answer and in some cases there is simply no answer at all. there will be little to any change that will improve things, trump won't be a hero and nor will whoever comes next in 4 or 8 years when the country swings yet again.

He alone can't change it. It needs people to start voting for people who aren't in the pockets of billionaires. And so far Americans are willfully negligent in that area.

Paul Markham 12-07-2016 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21359311)
Amazing isn't it?

Assuming this true, Bush had eight years to identify the problem, stop it, and prevent it form happening. Bush failed to do this. No matter how people try to spin this the recession we had at the end of Bush's term was the fault of Bush - nothing something the prior president did eight years before.

There is exactly where the term "passing the buck" comes from.

We are at 4.6% unemployment right now. I cannot wait to see where unemployment is two years from.

Bush should have stopped it, but didn't. Still, makes Clinton guilty of creating the situation which needed to be stopped. Obama could have pulled out of the ME instead, he went in and fucked up again.

Unemployment at 4.6%

Poverty at 13.5 percent and climbing.

Paul Markham 12-07-2016 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 21360430)
I say, make sure the pantry is stocked with plenty of popcorn.

There's 4 years of Comedy Gold ahead.

And there's going to be no one to blame but the Republican Party.

The blame lies squarely with the voters. Americans have been voting for politicians who are paid for, more interested in lobbyists than voters for decades. The UK has the same problem. We all need to stop voting for the party and start looking into the credentials of the candidate.

Make politicians fear the people.

Paul Markham 12-07-2016 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21359920)
You do know the Electoral College elects the president, not voters. If 270 electors can't decide on one candidate then the Senate votes on who is President.

So no, Don the Con is not President, the process is not complete. You're ahead of yourself.

Who Will Elect the President? The Electoral College System | League of Women Voters

Will the Senate vote for anything other than Trump? If so what are the options?

Paul Markham 12-07-2016 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21360472)
There you go again Mr Angry, its a good job you are here to enlighten all the dumbass libs on what they should be thinking.

To be honest I dont care who you support, I just disagree with you. You dont deal with that very well.

I disagree with the whole premise that Joe Average is somehow suffering worse than he ever did, and the pesky politicians have let him down by not fixing it. This is such a crock of shite. The poor have always been poor and the average will remain so. If average Joe does not educate himself and find some skills that are in demand then he is fucked.

Average Joe needs to get out of his pickup and learn to code. Ex coal miners need to re train in industries that are thriving. Car plant workers need to ask themselves why the Germans and the Japanese build a better more aspirational car. And now unfortunately, truck drivers and cab drivers are about to go the same way when automation takes their jobs.

Politicians have not failed these people, unless of course you think we should dig coal even if other fuels are cheaper and cleaner, that everyone should drive a shitheap car, and that their should be laws against automation. Society changes - people have to change. The state does its best to help, no one starves, everyone gets a basic education, but if you dont take responsibility for your own future, then I am sorry an immigrant or a foreign worker might do your job for less money, but more than likely it will be a machine that puts you out of work.

Are we really saying we want big government spoon feeding us ?

you are really clueless about what's happening.

Learning to code, that's a stupid solution for all but those with advanced Math's degrees.

Read what Mark Carney said and get a clue.

Paul Markham 12-07-2016 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21360532)
The problem is that both parties are very similar and the pattern shows that when one wins it invigorates the other and they turn out to vote while the followers of the party in power often assume they have it locked down and are less enthusiastic.

Both sides have the same owners. The solution is to vote for the Third candidates whoever they are. Which is what Trump is.

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The thing is, people are now doing a strange thing. They bitch and complain about our leaders, but continue to vote for them and re-elect them and now with the level of divisiveness, they are emulating them. It is like watching a kid throw a tantrum and his mom gives him candy to make him stop so then adults started doing the same. We saw it in spades this election. Don't like Trump, you are a cuck or a Libertard. Don't like Clinton, you're a racist or a mysoginist. It's freaking crazy.
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NewNick 12-07-2016 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21361471)
you are really clueless about what's happening.

Learning to code, that's a stupid solution for all but those with advanced Math's degrees.

Read what Mark Carney said and get a clue.

Fuck off immigrant.

kane 12-07-2016 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21361474)
Both sides have the same owners. The solution is to vote for the Third candidates whoever they are. Which is what Trump is.

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Sorry, but Trump is not a third candidate. He is surrounding himself with establishment people, his general election got a ton of money from the RNC and he is likely not going to do much of anything to change things.

Paul Markham 12-07-2016 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21361525)
Fuck off immigrant.

does that mean I'm right and you have no better answer? Yes it does.

Paul Markham 12-07-2016 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21361603)
Sorry, but Trump is not a third candidate. He is surrounding himself with establishment people, his general election got a ton of money from the RNC and he is likely not going to do much of anything to change things.

Agreed he's surrounding himself with establishment people. Clinton would have done the same.

He's the first step in a long journey for you to reclaim your country.

NewNick 12-07-2016 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21361648)
does that mean I'm right and you have no better answer? Yes it does.

No Paul, I am pointing out what a ridiculous hypocrite you are.

Please tell us all how you are benefiting from the healthcare system where you live NOW.

BlackCrayon 12-07-2016 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21361471)
you are really clueless about what's happening.

Learning to code, that's a stupid solution for all but those with advanced Math's degrees.

Read what Mark Carney said and get a clue.

advanced math degrees? of all the people i know who 'code', none of them have math degrees and many have no secondary education at all.

Rochard 12-07-2016 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21361423)
You really do not get it.

The people who fund Presidential and politicians elections were on a gravy train ride. They tell politicians what to do.

Trump is your only chance to break the hold of the big donors over your life. When the next elections come around in your area, Google who controls the candidates. The voters aren't in the list.

The UK has the same problem. The referendum on EU membership was won by the Leave camp. Now the Remain Camp, which most MPs are in, now want to make sure the UK can't leave.

We were all on the gravy train and no one wanted it to stop. It's the job of the president to protect it's citizens. President Bush didn't do that.

Google who controls the candidates? You mean people like Trump? You mean the people who buy and sell candidates? Trump said it himself that he bought and sold candidates during the campaign.

Trump has no experience in government and how it works, and he won't be able to get things done. Anything he does get done will most likely benefit big businesses and not the average worker. Business as usual - the rich get richer.

NewNick 12-07-2016 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 21361816)
advanced math degrees? of all the people i know who 'code', none of them have math degrees and many have no secondary education at all.

+1

I employ 7 full time coders, no degree of any sort between them.

But that was not the point - low skilled uneducated persons are going to find life increasingly tough.

So you can sit in small town rust belt USA whining and voting for populist arseholes who tell you its all the fault of pesky foreigners and feckless corrupt politicians, or you can wake up and see that Apple and Google dont give a shit about you. They are going to spend their huge ill-gotten cash reserves making more machines to make you even more unemployable. But dont worry, at least they have encrypted your phone so that the FBI cannot spy on you !


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