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TheSquealer 01-09-2017 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21438925)
It's amazing you are totally making fun of anything that was good from the left while making fun of anything bad from the right. You are almost as unbiased as Robbie & Vendillza. :1orglaugh

As explained to you many many many times... and even explained again a couple posts again, i understand that my views are biased. Unlike you turds, to don't deny it and pretend that my world view is some objective truth and that anyone seeing anything else is 'crazy' or 'brainwashed by FoxNews" because i'm simply incapable of understanding that i may not be right or that both sides can be right. That again, is the hallmark trait of crocket scientists.

TheSquealer 01-09-2017 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21438922)
While people's trust in congress is at an all time low, they still enjoy about a 90%+ reelection rate. Until they are punished for behaving like assholes I don't see them changing a whole lot.

I think Obamacare will be a good test of how things are going to go over the next few years. Obviously, Democrats don't want it flat-out repealed and a number of Republicans have said they want a replacement in place before repealing. It will be interesting to see how much bipartisan work there is in the replacement.

I think that is another obvious case of the media creating an unreasonable and fake narrative. Obviously a law such as this cannot simply be repealed without some plan to bridge the gap and cover people... yet when you listen to people talk, everyone acts like this is on the table. Trumps inability to filter his language certainly doesn't help him as it tends to bring out the worst in both sides and "repeal...." being put before "replace..." is something that no sane person would make a mantra as it's clear what the media will do with it.

In the case of Obamacare though, there is near universal agreement that a lot of changes need to happen, so i can't imagine this being anything more than squabbling about details.

kane 01-09-2017 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21438949)
I think that is another obvious case of the media creating an unreasonable and fake narrative. Obviously a law such as this cannot simply be repealed without some plan to bridge the gap and cover people... yet when you listen to people talk, everyone acts like this is on the table. Trumps inability to filter his language certainly doesn't help him as it tends to bring out the worst in both sides and "repeal...." being put before "replace..." is something that no sane person would make a mantra as it's clear what the media will do with it.

In the case of Obamacare though, there is near universal agreement that a lot of changes need to happen, so i can't imagine this being anything more than squabbling about details.

There is a segment of the Republican party that would love to just see it repealed and have nothing replace it. They want to go back to how things were before Obamacare. I don't know why that is, maybe it is because they see this as a stepping stone towards a single payer system. The more rational of the Republicans are already coming out and saying they won't support a bill that repeals without a replacement bill in place.

It does need to be fixed. There are several easy things they can do right away that would make it better. I just wonder if they will be able to come together enough to actually do those things. Part of me thinks they would be better off just repealing and replacing the parts that don't work in order to make it better. The Republicans have said this will be their top priority. I'm very curious to see how this turns out especially since I have asthma and until Obamacare came around I was denied the ability to buy real health insurance. It would suck if I had to go back to those days.

Barry-xlovecam 01-09-2017 06:45 PM

I liened a few construction jobs over contract disputes personally I was a state licensed and bonded Residential Builder for 15 years, I am see you have no real experience.

Liens are payment disputes for lots of reasons.

You can foreclose a property to satisfy your contract including 'extras' furnished -- even as a workman -- if you have a perfected mechanics lien you can foreclose. If the work was done it is part of the real property -- you cannot "take it back [repo]."

A workman not paid wages by a sub-contractor can lien a project if payment was made without a Sworn Statement by the sub-contractor to the General Contractor or property owner contracting for the improvements (under my licensing law for 90 days after the last work was furnished -- this varies state to state). In practice a waiver of lien is made on payment.

You people do not know what you are talking about. Go to your country recorder's or registrar of deeds office and look up the property liens filed and recorded and their release history-- maybe you will know WTF you are talking about.

directfiesta 01-09-2017 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21438904)
Hillary among her many other issues, continually lied and destroyed evidence (emails, phones, computers, servers) under subpoena, got people killed (covert agents exposed), allowed foreign states access to classified State Department emails, mishandled classified materials etc etc etc and lied and lied and lied again about it and you guys were/are ok with that...

see how that works....?

I despize Hilary , but you are sick to believe all that ....

.. and you do not stay on subject ....

TheSquealer 01-09-2017 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 21439018)
I despize Hilary , but you are sick to believe all that ....

.. and you do not stay on subject ....

Huh? you went off about Carter and and peanuts and talk about others staying on subject? I have no clue what you're even talking about.

and...

Sick to believe all what? Proven, verifiable facts? Sick that her email server was set up specifically to circumvent FOIA requests? Sick that she was briefed continually on how State Dept correspondence must be handled by the FBI and did the exact opposite? Sick that she signed documents that she'd been briefed on how to handle State Dept documents and did the opposite? Sick that she was specifically briefed on how to identify classified documents by the FBI and alerted to the fact that its on her to recognize classified materials and later said as a defense that she has no clue what the designations mean or how to recognize them? Sick that she was given a subpoena to turn over the email server and all emails, didn't and then promptly went to deleting emails that were under subpoena? Sick that emails surfaced with the Hillary team discussing what emails they should and shouldn't turn over in spite of them all being under subpoena and was required to do so, regardless? Sick that she destroyed data that was under subpoena? That she destroyed government documents under subpoena? That she said repeatedly that she never handled any classified documents, when she did? That she said she turned over every email she was required to when she didn't? That she even had her maid handing classified materials as well as her aids who had no security clearance to do so? Sick that she was stripping out classified headings and passing those messages around? That she destroyed phones under subpoena with a hammer? That she destroyed under subpoena hard drives with hammers? That she attempted to wipe the server drive clean rather than turn it over as she was required to by the subpoena? The list goes on and on and on and on about what she did wrong just with the simple illegal email server she had and her mishandling of government (the peoples) correspondence and classified materials... not to mention her destruction of shit tons of evidence under subpoena.

Sick is when people can't admit to and confront the truth and continue to argue a fantasy simply because it fits a team narrative.

Bladewire 01-09-2017 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21438904)
Hillary among her many other issues, continually lied and destroyed evidence (emails, phones, computers, servers) under subpoena, got people killed (covert agents exposed), allowed foreign states access to classified State Department emails, mishandled classified materials etc etc etc and lied and lied and lied again about it and you guys were/are ok with that...

see how that works....?

100% extreme alt-rightaid talking points but you're not a Republican :thumbsup

I've voted Republican and am a blue dog democrat just calling a spade a spade.

directfiesta 01-09-2017 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21439033)
I have no clue what you're even talking about.



Republicans making a big fuss about the family business ( local peanut farm ) of Jimmy Carter ( he was a USA president ... ) while ignoring Trump business and his family implication at business level AND White house level ....

read abit :
When Jimmy Carter was president, he gave up his self-built peanut farm and then was investigated
by Walter Einenkel

2MuchMark 01-09-2017 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 21438457)
kittens, prince!

I share the news. Kittens help me relax.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21438484)
For dipshits like Mark that care about nothing more than constant, one sided emotional rants,

There was nothing emotional about my post. I'm just sharing a link in hopes of sparking a discussion.

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21438484)
construction liens are a normal part of construction and a consistent feature of every medium/large construction project. Contractor/sub contractor bids, gets job, doesn't do job to satisfaction/complete obligations, otherwise defaults, goes over budget, goes over deadline etc etc etc etc etc etc etc... doesn't get paid on the date he demands it, files a construction lien as a first course of action, both parties fight and remedy the situation.

THat's great! I didn't know that.

But did you read the article?

It says AES Electrical had 45 people working 12 hours a day to make sure the job was completed on time, etc, but that Trump didn't pay. And if you do a Google search there are all kinds of small businesses that Trump seemed to not pay in full. For example, this guy : https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.4f96c61510a4

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21438484)
Jesus fuck,... you guys just don't quit with the grasping and whining, fake news and false narratives. Every way you acted to put Trump in the White House is the exact same fucking thing that will get him elected a second time. And guess what??? The same party that proudly denounced REpublicans as "the party of no" are what exactly? They are "the party of No X100", planning the future of "the party of no" and he's not even fucking President yet.

I don't think people are grasping, but ok, let's say you're right, and say Trump was right not to pay those companies what they were promised for whatever reason. Even if you take that out of the equation, do you not see ANY red flags? His dismissal of the intelligence briefings? His crazy tweets? His mocking of a disabled reporter? Is there anything Trump has said or done that made you think twice?

(Not trying to put you on the spot, just asking...)

Cheers.

Rochard 01-09-2017 08:26 PM

Lock him up!

Bladewire 01-09-2017 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 21439102)
I share the news. Kittens help me relax.



There was nothing emotional about my post. I'm just sharing a link in hopes of sparking a discussion.



THat's great! I didn't know that.

But did you read the article?

It says AES Electrical had 45 people working 12 hours a day to make sure the job was completed on time, etc, but that Trump didn't pay. And if you do a Google search there are all kinds of small businesses that Trump seemed to not pay in full. For example, this guy : https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.4f96c61510a4



I don't think people are grasping, but ok, let's say you're right, and say Trump was right not to pay those companies what they were promised for whatever reason. Even if you take that out of the equation, do you not see ANY red flags? His dismissal of the intelligence briefings? His crazy tweets? His mocking of a disabled reporter? Is there anything Trump has said or done that made you think twice?

(Not trying to put you on the spot, just asking...)

Cheers.


Don't you get it yet?

Trump supporters don't care if working people get paid.

Trump supporters are HAPPY if you can successfully rip people off, not pay contractors, etc. THAT's why they voted for Trump! They want to be able to rip people off like Trump, not pay their bills, not pay their taxes etc.

Barry-xlovecam 01-09-2017 11:20 PM

Depends if the contract was for a completed price or for time and material + a negotiated profit. Where the worker's wages paid or not.

If the subcontractor agrees to a completion date then he is on the hook for the worker's wages -- not the builder.

The law only requires that you pursue the work in a workman like manner with diligence. Having insufficient personnel on hand can be a breach of contract obligation.

That said, I once leined 200 lots in a subdivision as I did improvements to the entire site and wasn't paid as agreed. When I found out that the road paver had not been paid in months I immediately slapped a lien on the whole development and this stopped their construction loan take outs with the bank -- I cut off their water.

They paid me in a few days ... Some builders never defaulted and some I extended terms when they needed it -- that's just how the building business works.


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