Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21455008)

hahahaaaaa - that was the fucking best idea i heard up to now.

and i am pretty sure YOU wil know how to find the good old customers on the graveyard.

my dear god how ignorant can humans be .....

what i really love in this business is that mass of ignorants because that makes it so fucking easy to make money.

it is really not that i wanted to change your mind - i just wanted to show you that there is also another view on things as to sit at home and being mad with the world because success went other ways.

but if you prefer to suffer - suffer - i don´t do it !

the music industry did so many years the same as you and lost billions. now they start to wake up and i think the guys from 15 years ago sitting at home and doubt, that this money is real.

greetings

thommy

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21454477)

3. they safe money because the time to maintain a big campiagn with 100.000 clicks per day or more, nedds the same (if not less) worktime as a campiagn with 100 clicks per day.

Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21454723)

At the same time adult traffic networks came along and for the affiliates that still had traffic it made a lot more sense to put an iframe from a traffic network than an individual banner for a individual paysite site. The traffic networks made the affiliates more money again, because they fully optimize the traffic, something the affiliates didn't know how to do. Like for example why would you send a user on a mobile phone from India to a paysite where the chance he signs up is almost zero while if you send him to a one click direct carrier biller offer you can easily get a few bucks out of him.

So most of the old school affiliates that survived are now just publishers for the adult networks. There are probably not many publishers left that have high traffic sites that promote individual paysites, unless they are working in very specific niches. .

Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21455404)

Wrong.

If i have high traffic site, i would make more money optimizing the ads myself

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21455008)

hahahaaaaa - that was the fucking best idea i heard up to now.

Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21455515)

Impossible, there is no way you can do this yourself and make more than a network like for example Exo or TJ can make you. They have 100s of advertisers all targeting different GEOs, devices, keywords, etc. There is no way you can do that yourself.

I do agree, there are lots of shady advertisers/offers and the networks might take some cuts here and there, and that's not a good thing, but looking purely at earnings per impression there is 100% no way you can manually/internally make what an ad network would make you.

Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21455608)

All their ads get adblocked, mine don't.

My own ads also don't ban me in google for hijacking peoples browsers (the ad networks can't control it).

I also did tests and my own ad rotations or direct ad-spot sales bring way more money than shitty iframe ad networks.

So thanks, but no thanks.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21455887)

i think when i started this biz you was still in school and maybe it would be better if you would stay there a few years longer just to learn, that you can not know ALL.

greetings

thommy

Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21455938)

Yeah i'll stay in school and stick to my own generated traffic and hand targeted ads, thanks for the tip :1orglaugh

http://i.imgur.com/L5ELgMR.png

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21455953)

nice stats and you do that already a few days. but believe me if you take the reccurings out your cvr results are low middleclass.
so i think you do NOT know all :-)

but all in all it is not bad what you are doing.

greetings

thommy

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21455953)

if you take the reccurings out your cvr results are low middleclass.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21451126)

i disagree with that because i am long enough in this industry to see the changes going on.
i was starting 1997 as an affilaite webmaster when everybody sold his traffic and i made damnded good money.

i was doing my own affiliate programms from 2001 til 2012 and i made good money with it.

today i would not do one of the 2 things because i have learned that trafficmarketing have serveral ways to make money on but you have to know how.

believe me i am able to make money with gay products on straight sites the only thing i need is a mass of users. and you will never be able to generate masses.

when you are strictly looking for traffic of a niche you miss all the other preferences.

that is the same as you would state that a user from a weather site can´t be interessted in porn or cars or whatever.

sure you will have a much better CVR but from what ?
you might have 100 users and make one sale. i might have 1 million users and make 1000 sales with very different products.

if your niche is burned out you can delete all your hard build pages - i only switch in one second to another product.

have you ever seen that in a TV-commecial break of a science fiction they sell only star wars masks? porn is a magnet for millions and millions of people with ALL KIND of consumption.

and YES especially in the past few days i had a look into some stats of so called affiliate webmasters and i was crying when i saw what they make with their websites.

when i look in the stats of some of my publishers who just focus on making traffic and see 5 and 6 digit payouts every month and they do not even spend a minute in investigation what sells and what not, I ask you what YOU understand from a good affiliate income.

believe me - you do not have to explain me how internet works - i am 20 years in that biz and i always made good money. but i did not make it with concepts what are definately and logicly dead. i made it always with a far view into tomorrow.

greetings

thommy

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21455449)

Paul you are a former Troll of the Year winner and out of business now for years.

You have no affiliates we have a few thousand active affiliates.

You know fuck all that interests me.

You wanted attention -- you got it.

Originally Posted by Google Expert (Post 21455404)

Wrong.

If i have high traffic site, i would make more money optimizing the ads myself, instead of blindly sending it to shit networks who send your traffic god knowы where, steal from you, and pay you $0.1 on a dollar.

There is a reason a new "traffic broker network" pops up every week. They fuck affiliates in the ass and make huge money on it by stealing quality traffic and selling shit traffic. Optimize your own traffic and be in control, it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21455515)

Impossible, there is no way you can do this yourself and make more than a network like for example Exo or TJ can make you. They have 100s of advertisers all targeting different GEOs, devices, keywords, etc. There is no way you can do that yourself.

I do agree, there are lots of shady advertisers/offers and the networks might take some cuts here and there, and that's not a good thing, but looking purely at earnings per impression there is 100% no way you can manually/internally make what an ad network would make you.

Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21455554)

Don't bother talking sense into Paul, he lives in a different reality.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21455887)

why you say ALL ?
did you test ALL ?

my publishers haven´t been blocked from google yet and i NEVER had a hijack-idiot on my network. and you know why? because i know my advertisers since years and years and i am very picky with every new one.

but anyway you have your experience and i have mine and i pay a lot of publishers 3 times more money per month as they made before AND without cheating on them.

but i know that you know ALL and have tried everything. i think when i started this biz you was still in school and maybe it would be better if you would stay there a few years longer just to learn, that you can not know ALL.

greetings

thommy