My confidence level in the media is extremely low. I prefer my own lying eyes, ears and analysis over the spin/bias that all media reports contain.

English is my first language is it yours?

In other news, Nunes cancelled all three days of testimony scheduled this week and one day of testimony next week, no reason given, he's giving Trump some cover but all the people who paid for travel plans & took time off work to testify, aren't too happy :2 cents:

All this political intrigue it's just ... dull.

These people are like those idiots who cheat in a card game, but are too dumb to know you can see what they're doing. I'm talking about Trump, Nunes...the whole rotten crew.

If it looks like what we think it is, then it most likely is that thing. Team Trump made up some bullshit to give to Nunes, and then he ran it back over to the White House for some dog and pony show even a retarded monkey wouldn't fall for. His story makes no sense, neither does the situation itself. It looks like he's trying to send everyone on another one of Trump's wild goose chases, and it's working because most people are morons who can't smell bullshit.

Nunes is in charge of investigating the Trump campaign and transition team. Nunes was on the transition team. Nunes is in charge of investigating himself.

Nunes must be removed from this investigation.

I'll pass that along to Washington D.C. and let them know you said so. :)

What really needs to happen is that the FBI "must" bring those transcripts and present them officially to the intelligence committee.
Congress needs to get hold of the reigns of these fucking spy's...that is their job of being in charge of oversight of this kind of crap.

But I'll call my Congressman's office and let him know that Rochard posted on GFY and demanded that Nunes be "removed".

Ahh look Robbie can't stop posting in another one of my topics while claiming he has me on ignore.. I think it's more like.. I call him out for being a hypocrite and he hates it because he can't defend it..

We spent 4+ years listening to Robbie tell us all he was so much better than everyone else because he was an independent and had no team.. I always called him on his BS because all he ever did was defend the right and condemn the left. Now Robbie can't hide the truth that yes he's an embarrassed Republican because he's in full time defense mode due to Trump being undefend-able..

I will forever troll you and call you out for being a hypocrite Robbie..You earned the badge just like JoshuaG did.. You 2 are the two biggest hypocrites on this forum.

Agreed !!!!

What is next : taking him literally because he said " launch " instead of "standby " ?

But there is a huge difference between the two.

A wire tap implies that someone got a court order to physically listen in and record a conversation on a phone. The term "surveillance" can mean anything including hiring a high school student to stand outside of Trump Tower and make a note of which celebs enter the building.

Did Obama order a wire tap on Trump's phone. No, he did not. Thus, Trump lied.

After cancelling all scheduled hearings for this week and next week, Devin Nunes just made the announcement that he has no plans, and cannot commit to, any further public hearings regarding the Russia investigation. So he's officially trying to hide something big and shut down the investigation.

Then there's also this, that I'm creating a new thread about Trump administration attempting to block Sally Yates from testifying to Congress on Russia

& yet you are so confused about what hilary did, you cant find she did anything wrong.

loretta cuts 5 immunity deals to conclude no wrong-doing. rochard says AOK!

you, sir are a FUCKING RETARD.

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Even though it was just reported that Nunes will not step down from the Russian investigations. I believe that within 10 days he will step down due to the "hugely" :1orglaughlarge outcry. Even some in his own party have no confidence in his ability to continue the investigation.

They can try to shut this down all they want, it's not gonna happen.

Hillary is not president, did not hold back her tax returns, did not constantly cheer for Vladimir Putin, did not hire a host of pro-Putin flunkies and did not have aides who lied about contact with Russian officials.

I bet by the end of this week, most likely the weekend so it dodges a lot of news coverage, he will step down. At this point he HAS too..

He's made a joke of the entire thing and even Republicans are turning on him. He may also be at risk of obstruction of justice charges by trying to derail a investigation.

The best part about all this, is Republicans spent the entire 1st hearing asking questions about leaks and then here we have Nunes parading around claiming he got info from a leak.. The irony is overflowing..

And yet the Federal LAW was called "The Wiretap Act" And was updated in 1986 as the "Electronic Communications Privacy Act"

Here ya go, educate yourself and stop believing what the biased Democrat "reporters" on CNN are telling you:
Wiretap Act - Lawyers.com

https://it.ojp.gov/PrivacyLiberty/au.../statutes/1285

Ignorance on a subject means that maybe you stop posting and start learning about things. You're better than this.

You're not very smart, cute, but not smart.

What do you see here Robbie?


Trump tweeted his PHONES were wiretapped by Obama and that Obama was bad or sick because Obama did that.

Trump lied.

And look at all the time and Jo's people are wasting because of his causation. Look how much time you've spent defending a lie. Trump sucks & doesn't give a shit about a n y o n e


OH! Also if you had actually READ your second link your see that in the FIRST paragraph it advises readers that the Patriot act overrides everything below and refers readers to this link USA PATRIOT Act if you read all the changes to the act etc you'll see it's legal to unmask Americans if doing so gives pertinent information to assessing a FOREIGN AGENT THREAT it was stipulated in the 2006 ammendmant and extension to the Patriot Act here

Section 7 P (2)

(2) pertain to a foreign power or agent, are relevant to the activities of a suspected foreign agent, or pertain to an individual in contact with such an agent. Directs the judge to enter an ex parte order approving the release of records or tangible things if the judge finds that the statement of facts in the application establishes reasonable grounds to believe that items sought are relevant and pertinent.

BAM! You lose this round baby dick :thumbsup

Hahaha Jesus. Rochard is now vying for dumbest guy to ever post online. Trump lying has NOTHING to do with anything Robbie has been trying explain to you, you goofy simpleton with your stupid "show me in the Constitution..." crap

You literally act like an animal. No self awwarenss whatsoever, just running on primiyive programs in the brain, following instinct and reaponding crudely to simple stimulus. You sound like what i imagine to be a cocker spaniel trying to lecture its owner on the law.

How you can find employment is totally beyond me. Your job description has to be nothing more than "show up occasionally"

1. I can tie half my brain behind my back and still be 100 times smarter than you...and still cute.

2. Haven't defended any "lie" because there wasn't one to defend. Just enjoyed watching you and Rochard look foolish parsing words to try and gain some imaginary "victory" on a message board. :)

Wow ok so this is you losing.

You tell the winner you were just wasting their time on purpose for amusement and demean them for interacting with you on a "message board" in the first place?

Nope, didn't say anything like that. Just laughing at you acting so stupid and pretending you can't understand what Trump said.

Don't worry, you're in good company...every Democrat politician, all of CNN and MSNBC, The New York Times, and Washington Post.

Some very smart people there...that's why I said ACTING stupid and PRETENDING to not understand.
Again...the word "cartoonish" comes to mind when reading the posts you keep making on the subject.

As for wasting YOUR time? LOL!
Only one of us refuses to act intelligently (you) and trolls like a motherfucker all day (you).
That's YOU wasting YOUR time. I'm just laughing about it. After all that's why you're doing it...for attention. I'm giving it to you baby!

Robbie lives in an "alt-world" it's called "Robbie's world" where he can just make up whatever he wants and you guys take him serious.. Honestly, he's no better than JoshuaMo.. He lies all the time and is partisan as any of the fringe right wingers..

I realise not many from the right can talk in complete sentences, but it's no reason to accept his constant lying.

Yeah ok I'll be sure to reference your last post anytime I see you start another fake debate of yours and people will see your bullshit reaction when you lose you just call people trolls & stupid instead of admitting you were wrong.

Crocket was right you're a complete waste of time not even worth :2 cents:

And you ain't giving me nothing baby suckit :321GFY

Don't worry, he will soon ignore you but still post in all your topics.. This is what happens when you beat Robbie's arguments.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Said nobody else...ever. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Robbie.... Did you read either of those links? Both of them fail to mention incidental surveillance in any way. They also fail to mention masking or unmasking.

Trump's phones were not wiretapped. They got caught up in incidental surveillance. There is nothing illegal about this in any way, shape, or form. They put a wiretap on the phones of Russian spies, and when Trump's people called them those calls got monitored.

You lectured me on researching information and reading up about laws, and then provided me with two links that failed to discuss incidental surveillance or unmasking of names. Incidental surveillance is not illegal, but instead is the byproduct of legal surveillance.

I never said that incidental surveillance wasn't legal. Are we totally miscommunicating here?

I said that when a U.S. citizen is caught up in surveillance of a foreigner...then that citizen's name is MASKED in the transcripts because there was no FISA warrant to allow for that person to be spied on.

The insinuation that Nunes is making is that the spy agencies were used to spy on Trump through DELIBERATE Incidental capture and the names were unmasked and then disseminated to all 16 agency's in RAW form (which was NEVER done before except when Pres. Obama made a rule change in the last 2 weeks of his Presidency).

That is the whole point that is being made.
There seems to be the appearance that deliberate things were done to spy on Trump.
Being surveilled with no apparent reason (no national security issues involved in the taped conversations and no Russian connections in them either), names unmasked, and then President Obama changing a long-standing rule designed to protect U.S. citizens literally as he was walking out of the White House.

Either I'm just not communicating this well enough or you just aren't wanting to hear it.

IF this turns out to be what happened...then yes, it's a very, very big deal. It would indicate that a sitting President's spy agency's were used to gather intel on an opposing political party.

Has that been done before in history? Yeah.
Is it something that should be going on? Hell no.

And President Obama did it very recently when he used the spy agency's to intercept communications between Congressmen and Senators talking to Benjamin Netanyahu about the Iraq Nuclear Deal he pushed through. That was reported by the Wall Street Journal at the end of February. But of course CNN and the ilk didn't report on that.
That was just plain WRONG.

But Pres. Obama never let that stop him. Remember when he had reporters from the AP spied on and also had reporter James Rosen of Fox News surveilled by the spy agency's (they were reading his emails)
Hell, that was REALLY going after the Free Press. But they love Obama so much that they briefly reported it and then Obama had them all over to a White House dinner and all was forgiven. :(

So I would say that looking at the Obama Administration's history of spying...it won't come as a big surprise.

I hope that it turns out to just have been operatives doing this on Obama's behalf WITHOUT his knowledge.
Because if he was involved (and that changing of the rules for raw data sure does implicate him), then this will be on the level beyond Watergate. And it will be a horrible ending for the first black President.

Our country doesn't need that.
We need to be getting tax reform done, getting ISIS destroyed, getting trade deals fixed and moving the economy forward.

But it looks like Democrats just won't accept that Hillary lost the election and are determined to push their Russian agenda.

As I said a month ago...this is backfiring on them horribly.
You won't hear that on CNN. But the more things keep getting investigated, the more that the Obama administration is looking bad.
The exact opposite of what Democrats THOUGHT was going to happen.

No, this was routine surveillance. We've been doing this since shortly after the cold war started. All governments do this.

For example, the British government tracks every Russian employee or suspected foreign agent in the United Kingdom. They wiretap their phones, they intercept communications, and some cases they have a full surveillance team assigned to them. For example, the Russian ambassador the United Kingdom has a full time surveillance team watching him (her?) twenty-four hours a day. Not only does the United Kingdom does this for the Russian ambassador, but also the ambassador from China, and any other country they believe might be hostile to them in the near future.

I'll gladly bet you my next paycheck that Russia does the same exact thing in Moscow.

Every connection anyone in the Trump campaign had to Russia was subject to routine surveillance. The problem here is there are so many connections that it would be impossible for Trump's people not to get caught up in incidental surveillance. No matter how much Trump denies this, Trump is physically tied directly to Russian in dozens of ways.

Here is a short list of people tied to Trump and the Russian government:
Trump's business network reached alleged Russian mobsters

Make no mistake about it, nearly everyone in this administration has direct ties into Russia. If you don't believe me, give thought to who Trump's daughter spent a week on vacation with.

And Robbie, even if there was no crime committed.... Why not have an investigation? In fact, why not welcome it?

The only way to prove innocence to put the cards out on the table. If not, this will drip drip drip for the next four years.

Robbie, why is it that Republicans demanded eight investigations to Benghazi and three investigations into email practices (all of which cleared Hillary of any wrong doing) but we have massive evidence of treason at the highest level of the White House and the Republicans are trying to shut it down?

^^^ in rochard-land, obama spying on merkel would be "routine surveillence"

nothing about trump being picked up, or discussed, is routine surveillance, smartfest. you just dont want to admit your guy obama spied on trump. the media itself was saying so for months. suddenly you play dumb & act like nothing wrong happened. how did flynns phone recording end up at washpost, dumb lib? routine surveillance?

rochard. so biased its comical.

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Robbie have you kept up with news outside your right wing bobble heads? Nunes has significantly backtracked on what he claimed. "YES" Nunes himself has now said he can't be sure of what happened.. He now says names might not of been unmasked..

You are doing just like you did with Benghazi and your "stand down orders".. It was proven false and you kept arguing it was true.. Now you are doing the same thing again.

The fucking man who leaked this now has said it's not what he claimed yet you still argue as if it were..

It's been a week now since Nunes claimed all this.. by Friday of last week he had partially back tracked. Monday we found out his intel came from the WH and now he's backing off completely yet here you are still arguing as if it were fact with zero evidence presented from the guy who made the claims.

You do this all the time.. You will belittle anything you don't like and claim no proof but soon as it's something "YOU" want to believe no amount of proof can sway your faith in it has to be true..

Just imagine if any Democrat house members had done something like this relating to Benghazi or Hillary's email. You would be fucking raging and livid. However because it's a Republican it's no big deal everyone else must be wrong..


Republicans are now calling for Nunes to step down.. Gram publicly mocked Nunes calling him Inspector Clouseau.. McCain has said we need an independent investigation..


“The problem he’s created is he’s gone out on a lark by himself, sort of an Inspector Clouseau investigation here, trying to find some unmasking information about collection incidental with the Trump campaign and some foreign agent outside of Russia. I think the only way this can be repaired is if he tells his colleagues on the House Intelligence committee who he met with and what he saw.”

Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.)


"No longer does the Congress have credibility to handle this alone, and I don't say that lightly," McCain


but oh no Robbie wants to make it Obama's fault so nothing can end his need to blame Obama..You are obsessed with blaming Obama to the point you can't see anything else.. Robbie couldn't give a shit if evidence actually showed Trump conspired with Russia.. oh no blaming Obama for something is WAY more important..

Rochard...why do you keep saying the Republicans are shutting it down?

They ARE investigating it. In case you didn't notice...the Republicans hate Trump too.

They did everything they possibly could to stop him in the election. He represents anti-establishment in D.C.
That's a threat to Republicans and Democrats.

The ONLY reason any Republicans in Congress are willing to work with Trump in any way is because they are scared of what will happen back home when it's re-election time.

In the meantime...they are more than eager to "investigate" hoping they would find something "bad" on Trump that could remove him.
They would LOVE to have Pence in charge. Not one single Republican politician prefers Trump over Pence.

As for "routine investigation"
NO! It is not.

Nunes specifically said that the reports he saw were not of national security importance.
Meaning that not only should the names NOT have been unmasked...but that the surveillance shouldn't have even been put into a report at all.

Like I said earlier...everytime YOU write an email to a client in Europe or have a phone conversation with them...YOU are being surveilled and your data is being captured.

BUT...it is then quickly analyzed and determined to be useless. So the spy agencys do NOT write a report and disseminate it to 16 other spy agencys. And they DAMN sure don't unmask your name.

Understand? Nunes specifically said these conversations were not of any national security importance.
THAT is why he brought it to the press and the President and is demanding the FBI make all those transcripts available to the full committee.
This looks like a case of one political party spying on the President-Elect of the other party.
That my friend is dangerous to our Democracy.

You didn't see Hillary's campaign having reports made on them with names unmasked now did you?

What part of this are you missing? Are you just now learning of this from my reply?

Wow...this morning on MSNBC an Obama administration official said that yes they were doing surveillance on Trump!
And I just went to MSNBC and CNN and surprise...nothing about it!

Sure they did...it's amazing this is all over the news and everything.. you know because it's not.. Why do you keep lying Robbie? I looked it up.. This is your video..

She did not say a fucking word about spying on Trump. She said they were worried Trump admin would try to make evidence disappear so they were trying to get as much out as possible. her quotes were "we have very good evidence on "RUSSIA". She said not a fucking thing about surveillance on Trump.



Why do you outright lie Robbie about things that can be easily verified? btw this is youtube video taken right from a right wing shit hole hence the youtube title.. Likely the same shit rag Robbie got his information from..

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Totally WOW guys... It's amazing CNN isn't reporting this guys..

btw someone quote this so Robbie can't pretend he didn't see me own his ass again... The best part is I searched using Robbie's direct quote to find the video.. It's also from 2 days ago, not "breaking news" like Robbie tries to claim..

yeah...lets go with whatever senators lindsay graham & john mccain have to say. wow what stalwart establishment republicans we got here. never-trump globalist neo-cons that play the PC game so of course NBC news loves those 2 clowns.

once again crockett proves he is a dumb dupe of the liberal press. they got you on strings, puppet.

dumb libs.

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It is routine. They've been doing this kind of surveillance since Trump was in diapers. You've said time and time again that a political campaign talking to a foreign government is routine, and I believe this. I am sure Clinton's campaign contacted the Russian government, China, and all of the major countries in Europe and around the world. And I am sure that most if not all of these conversations were caught up in incidental surveillance. However, because these communications were routine they were masked, set aside, and never thought of again. But with Trump and his campaign they found things that indicated violations of law.

Let's use Roger Stone for example. No one was watching Roger Stone, or wire tapping his phones. However, the moment he chatted with the hackers who hacked the DNC, well, at that point he was being investigated for a crime.

Manafort too. He was most likely under investigation before he went to work for Trump. At the very least he was on the radar of the CIA for multiple reasons.


We don't know what Nunes saw. We have no idea what he saw. Most likely it's a perfectly legal report by the FBI investigating someone who has worked for Trump that has nothing related politics or the campaign. It might have been classified only now because it's part of a much larger investigation, in which case there is no reason to have any of the information masked.

What is a lot more interesting is the fact that Nunes leaked information about what seems to be a classified report, which is a felony. Um.....

Again, we have no idea what Nunes saw. But an LA Times article says the following...

But Democrats immediately disputed that claim, asserting that the intercepts appeared to be court-authorized intelligence gathering that did not target Drumpf or his aides and may not have disclosed their names even in classified intelligence reports.

We don't know what Nunes saw. It could have been an FBI investigation into one of Trump's friends or the friends of some of the people who worked for Trump and was completely unrelated to any political activity at all. Nunes has said this has "no connection the Russian investigation". If that is the case, why are we even discussing it?