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thommy 05-30-2017 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfap (Post 21800662)
Just wondering, if Germany is so great. Why don't you live there?

i do not say that ll is good is germany - also i do not like the weather.

but deep in my heart i am german and i still worry about the country where i was born, educated and growing up.

no one who is not german will ever understand how we really are.

there is no "the german" we have many different minds and many different meanings but if things getting hard we are still a unit.

germans can be very loud when they do not agree but they respect if someone have listened to it. so there is nothing wrong when the chancellor of the country listens and changes - this is what we expect from politicians.

thommy 05-30-2017 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 21800737)
I am happy to see the EU drift away from the USA...

Gabriel, who also serves as Germany's vice chancellor, said that "anyone who accelerates climate change by weakening environmental protection, who sells more weapons in conflict zones and who does not want to politically resolve religious conflicts is putting peace in Europe at risk."

I hope to see more and more of this in the future...I also hope to see the EU drift closer to russia and china and team up against war monger foreign policy...

this is EXACTLY what happens at the moment.

and for funny trump played his role in that.

if you have a look at the polls iīve posted a bit earlier you can read the german minds in that.

after trump, germans also looked for some "outsider" to do the things different.
schulz was not even a well known or even popular person in Germany because he was not involved in the countries politics in the last years.
so nobody knew really who he is and for what he stands. they just wanted to have a change.

but after trump appeared and everybody SAW what can happen when an amateur is trying to lead a country they changed their minds in MASSES.

what have really changed in the german (and i am pretty sure in most european) mentality
is, that people do not trust the older generation anymore because this generation does not understand the world anymore.
too many things have changed with the internet and the world is turning faster and faster.
this world need other solutions and visioneers and not old dumbs who do not even know how to switch on a computer.

you can see this trend in france, in austria and even in Germany where Lindner came like phoenix from the ashes and nearly tripled up the votes for his party.

you can see the same thing happening in canada with truedeau and you will see more and more that people are willing to give this world in the hands of them who will have to take care it next.

our planet is sick from people who are afraid of the futire. people who want easy solutions, where is no easy solution.

people who do not even know where they stand politicly.
look paul is a communist - but he does not even know it.

look all this other trump supporters here - they are right radicalists and do not even know it.

how can you change the world with people who do not realize who they are and what kind of ideology they are part?

i caould tell you a lot of things what could be changed in this world to resolve the problems we have. but first of all you need the minds for that - and we are poor in smart minds.

thommy 05-30-2017 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21800644)
So allowing millions more in is a better approach?

why not?
a bigger country have more consumers - more consumers= more work

additionally better educations helps to resolve MANY global problems.

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She admits it's a mistake after Germans started to vote against her.
that is what we want from our politicicians that they can listen and change.

the OPPOSITE of what trump is doing.

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She encouraged them to enter the EU without consulting other EU countries. And most certainly without asking Europeans. You ignore the facts they are free to walk around the EU. Did she act like a dictator? She did not assume they would all do the same, she made demands they do the same. Now you assume other countries should fall in line and take criminals who exploited her mistake.
she did not encourage them. how could she?
these people entered in italy, greece, hungary and wherever.

look at the map if germany is a country where they can enter !

she was acting HUMAN and helped the neigbours who acted human too.


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There are no conspiracy theories over the sex crimes those migrants committed.
ohhhh nooo - there are a LOT - because the sexcrimes in Germany did not rise because of the refugees (even when i do not refuse that there are problems) the sex crimes IN TOAL raised because the law have changed.

if you whistle behind a women in Geramy it is a sex crime - did you know that?
and this law became valid unfortunately in the same time when the refugees came.

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Because she acted on behalf of the EU without consulting the EU. If she had arranged to fly them directly into Germany and made sure they all stay in Germany, that would have been fine for Germany.
what else did she do?
did she send them somewhere else? where does she get the power from to give visa for foreign countries?

she was dealing with even non EU-countries to spread them in fair numbers.

and do not forget - these people are not immigrants at all. these are GUESTS and we have a human mandatory to help them til they can go back into their own country.

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I agree with you that Germany is strong economically. Which then begs the question is Germany as a member and a full supporter of the EU wanting to see it grow in power, ready to pay the rising bills of other EU States? Or is it all about Germany?

They can't have it both ways.
i am not sure how good you know how "EU-bills" arising.

countries with a strong economy pay most and countries with a low economy get from that. so what a fuck you talking abot? Germany took the MOST refugees and paid for it ALONE and BECAUSE it still is the strongest econony it pays to the other low economies TOO - the countries what did not even take refugees.

you should not blame Geramyn for that you should say "THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT LOAD FROM OUR SHOULDERS BECAUSE WE OLD FARTS ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO HANDLE IT"

Paul Markham 05-30-2017 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21800782)
why not?
a bigger country have more consumers - more consumers= more work

More consumers with less money = less work and more on benefits.

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additionally better educations helps to resolve MANY global problems.
Very true, let's start by educating Muslims not to kill each other expecting others to take their refugees who are really migrants as very few will return home.

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that is what we want from our politicicians that they can listen and change.

the OPPOSITE of what trump is doing.
How do you arrive at the conclusion that EU citizens want millions of non-EU migrants entering the EU? Polls show even in Germany people don't want it. Trump is trying to keep migrants out, which is what most want.


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she did not encourage them. how could she?
these people entered in italy, greece, hungary and wherever.

look at the map if germany is a country where they can enter !

she was acting HUMAN and helped the neigbours who acted human too.
They entered the EU to walk to Germany, France, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, Germany, etc.

She did encourage them. Angela Merkel's historic error on immigration

She has now changed her mind, after pols told her Germans don't want migrants. Germany offers asylum seekers up to ?1,200 each to voluntarily return to their home countries

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ohhhh nooo - there are a LOT - because the sexcrimes in Germany did not rise because of the refugees (even when i do not refuse that there are problems) the sex crimes IN TOAL raised because the law have changed.

if you whistle behind a women in Geramy it is a sex crime - did you know that?
and this law became valid unfortunately in the same time when the refugees came.
Now you're talking bull shit, German officials have told German women to dress more modestly to avoid attracting Muslim sex attacks.


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what else did she do?
did she send them somewhere else? where does she get the power from to give visa for foreign countries?

she was dealing with even non EU-countries to spread them in fair numbers.

and do not forget - these people are not immigrants at all. these are GUESTS and we have a human mandatory to help them til they can go back into their own country.
She does not have the power to invite millions of migrants to enter the EU. That did not stop her. She doesn't have the power to accept non-EU migrants. That did not stop her. If they are only from war zones and return after the war ends, they're refugees. If they stay in Europe, they're migrants. As research proves and many are coming from the African continent, they're migrants.



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i am not sure how good you know how "EU-bills" arising.
Debt is rising.

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countries with a strong economy pay most and countries with a low economy get from that. so what a fuck you talking abot? Germany took the MOST refugees and paid for it ALONE and BECAUSE it still is the strongest econony it pays to the other low economies TOO - the countries what did not even take refugees.
Low economy countries not only don't contribute, they gain from the EU when it dishes out the money. Germany should have taken them all as it was Merkel inviting them.

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you should not blame Geramyn for that you should say "THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT LOAD FROM OUR SHOULDERS BECAUSE WE OLD FARTS ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO HANDLE IT"
If the pro-EU politicians achieve their dream the richest States will have to subsidise the poorest ones. Unless it's only about Germant getting richer off the backs of the rest.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...2_EUDEBT_0.jpg

It's Not Just Greece: Total European Debt Hits New All Time High | Zero Hedge

How do you propose the EU gets out of that mess?

MaDalton 05-30-2017 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD (Post 21800404)
She has ruined Germany. Ruined...

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

jesus fucking christ...

nico-t 05-30-2017 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21800515)
Indeed it has something to do with smart politics because politics consists of 99.999% of compromise solutions.

if things are going only the way ONE site wants - it is called dictatorship and not democrathy.

Your lack of logic is astonishing and train of thought is all over the place. Did you suffer head trauma?

thommy 05-30-2017 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21800917)
More consumers with less money = less work and more on benefits.

not the money what people do not have is poison for the economy - the money what they not spend is poison.

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Very true, let's start by educating Muslims not to kill each other expecting others to take their refugees who are really migrants as very few will return home.
ok - where are we going to do that if nobody wants to let them in?

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How do you arrive at the conclusion that EU citizens want millions of non-EU migrants entering the EU? Polls show even in Germany people don't want it. Trump is trying to keep migrants out, which is what most want.
no trump is producing MORE of them by making the world a weapon exhibition.

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They entered the EU to walk to Germany, France, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, Germany, etc.
well you want to see them dying in the sea ?

how can you expect humanity from people what you don not want to treat human?

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She did encourage them. Angela Merkel's historic error on immigration
there CAN NOT BE AN ERROR ON HUMANITY !!!!
if you doubt that you are simply not human.

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She has now changed her mind, after pols told her Germans don't want migrants. Germany offers asylum seekers up to ?1,200 each to voluntarily return to their home countries

that is pretty obvious becasue SHE KNOWS that she does not own germany. and if smart or not smart she have to follow the will of the people WHAT SHE DID - what is wrong with it?

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Now you're talking bull shit, German officials have told German women to dress more modestly to avoid attracting Muslim sex attacks.
look how wrong one can interprete a statistic

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/im...3590578492.png

the light blue line shows you the number of sexual delicts from immigrants within the whole
categorie.

now you can see that the % of that doubled up from 2015 to 2016.

but this is the brainwash rethoric for people like you or nico. because in the same time we had 3 times more immigrants comming to Germany. so in fact the TOTAL number of this crimes WENT DOWN AND NOT UP !!!

a little bit maths is sometimes helpful to understand facts.

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She does not have the power to invite millions of migrants to enter the EU. That did not stop her. She doesn't have the power to accept non-EU migrants. That did not stop her. If they are only from war zones and return after the war ends, they're refugees. If they stay in Europe, they're migrants. As research proves and many are coming from the African continent, they're migrants.
nope - Geramny is NOT allowing migrants from africa and never did.
these people from africa came with the refugees and because Germany had to do the work alone it was impossible to find out who is a refugee and who is a moneygrant.

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Debt is rising.
if dept would not rise you would eat your shoes today.
because of uncontrolled financial market we had one of the biggest financial crisises in the last 100 years.

show me ONE country what could go out of that without more depts to push into the markets for making the economy moving.

obama was fucking sucsessful with that - but this have to be paid back one day somehow.

the only thing trump has done successfully up to now was to eliminate the laws what should protect us from another crisis.
he will throw america in poorness and with it the whole world.

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Low economy countries not only don't contribute, they gain from the EU when it dishes out the money. Germany should have taken them all as it was Merkel inviting them.
we will not only take them all - we will make them customers and give a fucking shit on trumps tears that Germanyīs economy is too strong.

yes it is strong very strong and that proves the opposite of your meaning.

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If the pro-EU politicians achieve their dream the richest States will have to subsidise the poorest ones. Unless it's only about Germant getting richer off the backs of the rest.
i wonder how you can enjoy the life in a country what is one of this countries what ALWAYS AND EVER GOT from EU.

and i do not even complain that because chech republic grow from a piece of shit to a serous economy. but they did it because they did NOT share your thoughts or follow the rules of the brainwashed.


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How do you propose the EU gets out of that mess?
i could write you a book with solutions but you will not understand them because you are a amateur economist with no knowledge of economic rules.

you would not even understand the visions i have on that because they are based on knowledge from a university and 40 years of experience and not from a beer bar discussion.

Sarn 05-30-2017 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21799750)
You care so much about America it's funny :1orglaugh

Who if not me? :1orglaugh
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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21799795)
i think she doenīt make mistakes.
even when i was never a merkel fan i have to accept that she is one of the smartest and coolest politicians we have.
she is never offensive and she never says something before she does not know what she is talking about.
i think in germany there is no one who can make this job better as she does it right now.

All getting better and better? :)

Bladewire 05-30-2017 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21800959)
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

jesus fucking christ...

Has Angela Merkel destroyed Germany to the core?

Tasty1 05-30-2017 08:47 AM

All for the German economy. Screw the rest of the countries and the identities they had. Cheap money cause of the Greece debts.

This says it all: "if you whistle behind a women in Geramy it is a sex crime - did you know that? and this law became valid unfortunately in the same time when the refugees came."

Why did they introduce these new laws ....?

But i must admit, in south america whistling works :)

Luckily not everyone in Germany thinks money is most important and you have to give up your identity for that.

Merkel wants a European Army. Holland doesn't (they say now, that will change soon). That will be the whole plan, a European army. Well, we saw in Srebrenica how much we can trust our 'állies'.

And keep attacking Trump, why? If they don't sign a Paris Climate paper, just go on with it without the USA and wait 3 years till there is another president. Or does she think he will stay 7 more years? They use Trump to get things done that a lot of people don't want. Merkel is very happy with Trump. Without Trump an European army wouldn't have so much support.

Most remarkable, people see the German Car Industry as good guys. They are worse than bankers with their emission fraud. The german car industry took billions of tax payers money from all over the world to make money and keep the cars low priced and destroy the environment. And now we must feel sorry for the bastards when they get an extra import tax in the USA? Trump must just call it an extra 'green'tax on cars, that is what other leaders would have called it.

thommy 05-30-2017 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21801340)
All for the German economy. Screw the rest of the countries and the identities they had. Cheap money cause of the Greece debts.

every country participated on this cheap money - and the money was not cheap without a reason. it was because international banks used cheating possibilities to fuck the value of money.

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This says it all: "if you whistle behind a women in Geramy it is a sex crime - did you know that? and this law became valid unfortunately in the same time when the refugees came."

Why did they introduce these new laws ....?
this is something what i canīt answer because i am not a women.
i can also not answer the question why in kanton bern (switzerland) they can not use the words "vater" (father) and "mutter" (mother) anymore in their official language.

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But i must admit, in south america whistling works :)
and i am pretty sure that the girls need as kind of attraction barometer

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Luckily not everyone in Germany thinks money is most important and you have to give up your identity for that.
i think the majority would not do that.

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Merkel wants a European Army. Holland doesn't (they say now, that will change soon). That will be the whole plan, a European army. Well, we saw in Srebrenica how much we can trust our 'állies'.
an alliance is not what the EU idea is.
it is a together through all - and i think this is a phantasic idea.

we just have to prevent the mistakes of USA.

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And keep attacking Trump, why? If they don't sign a Paris Climate paper, just go on with it without the USA and wait 3 years till there is another president. Or does she think he will stay 7 more years? They use Trump to get things done that a lot of people don't want. Merkel is very happy with Trump. Without Trump an European army wouldn't have so much support.
this is exactly what they are going to do because they know that his time is very limited.

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Most remarkable, people see the German Car Industry as good guys. They are worse than bankers with their emission fraud. The german car industry took billions of tax payers money from all over the world to make money and keep the cars low priced and destroy the environment. And now we must feel sorry fpr the bastards whe they get an extra import tax?
i do not say that the big industries ANYWHERE are the good guys.
but the car industry is still the biggest job industry germany have.

but to be honest - as good as german cars are when we talk about combustion engines as far behind are this guys when it comes to the farthinking perpesctive.
i have a mercedes and i have a tesla and soon i will have 2 teslas because i am not willing to support stupidness.

i really think you guys just have to open your mind for really big visions.

maybe i will not be here anymore but i promise you already that this war-game will go on not much more than 20 years. up to then everybody should have learned how a economy works and there will be no gear from globalizm anymore.

if THAT is the case you will see how many genius ideas will come up and make the world a better place.

klinton 05-30-2017 09:13 AM

or rather - how BRAVE dutch soldiers are and how strong is their manhood :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21801340)
Well, we saw in Srebrenica how much we can trust our 'állies'.


Grapesoda 05-30-2017 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21800098)
It's only fifty years of support, friendship, and history.

Not to mention the last time we failed to support Europe we ended up in a world war.

Not a big deal at all.

at this point a brief intermission while I point out that EVERY world war was started by the Germans. what a fucking dope :2 cents:

Sarn 05-30-2017 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 21801406)
or rather - how BRAVE dutch soldiers are and how strong is their manhood :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Comrade need to build army :1orglaugh
http://cs8.pikabu.ru/post_img/2016/0...3136363673.jpg

Tasty1 05-30-2017 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21801376)
every country participated on this cheap money - and the money was not cheap without a reason. it was because international banks used cheating possibilities to fuck the value of money.

this is something what i canīt answer because i am not a women.
i can also not answer the question why in kanton bern (switzerland) they can not use the words "vater" (father) and "mutter" (mother) anymore in their official language.

and i am pretty sure that the girls need as kind of attraction barometer

i think the majority would not do that.

an alliance is not what the EU idea is.
it is a together through all - and i think this is a phantasic idea.

we just have to prevent the mistakes of USA.

this is exactly what they are going to do because they know that his time is very limited.

i do not say that the big industries ANYWHERE are the good guys.
but the car industry is still the biggest job industry germany have.

but to be honest - as good as german cars are when we talk about combustion engines as far behind are this guys when it comes to the farthinking perpesctive.
i have a mercedes and i have a tesla and soon i will have 2 teslas because i am not willing to support stupidness.

i really think you guys just have to open your mind for really big visions.

maybe i will not be here anymore but i promise you already that this war-game will go on not much more than 20 years. up to then everybody should have learned how a economy works and there will be no gear from globalizm anymore.

if THAT is the case you will see how many genius ideas will come up and make the world a better place.

Well, everybody profited from the debt of Greece and Germany the most. But Greece didn't profit from anything.

We all know why the 'whistling" laws are introduced. To keep the German tradition that you don't whistle when you see a woman.

And about a European army, again something most people don't want. But will be forced upon. Cause most countries have nothing to say. That is the 'democracy' of the EU. And everybody knows this, but a referendum or other democratic move will be sabotaged so in the end there will be a EU army.

So the whole Paris thing is just complaining about Trump to look good themselves. The USA don't need to sign it. So what is the problem. The EU knew already for years something was wrong with the emission of german cars. They looked away for years to protect their industry and tax income. But they want to look good know, signing a piece of paper.

Un the end every governement will fuck you. And than i rather be fucked by politicians you can sent away than EU politicians you don't even know.

I don't know if Globalisation will be the best way. I doubt it. I used to think that is good, but on many things about globalization i changed my mind. What i am sure of is that the globalisation isn't the best for the environment in many cases. And i don't want to be ruled from Brussels with heir ideas. Take the new plans that you have to pay by kilometer you are on the road. Every car will be checked 24/7. In Holland they tried it for many years but it could be stopped. Now the EU will try it again. For me that is already enough reason to stop the influence of the EU.

Tasty1 05-30-2017 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 21801406)
or rather - how BRAVE dutch soldiers are and how strong is their manhood :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Srebrenica is another example that you never must trust the government or eu.
Everyone knew it couldn't be protected, but they went anyway.
And both sides did their crimes. And the Dutch are blamed.

MaDalton 05-30-2017 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21801310)
Has Angela Merkel destroyed Germany to the core?

of course not

but it's fun to watch right wing brainwashed peeps going apeshit everytime her name is dropped

(and I never voted for her)

MaDalton 05-30-2017 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 21801424)
at this point a brief intermission while I point out that EVERY world war was started by the Germans. what a fucking dope :2 cents:

technically this is incorrect

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On 25 July Russia began mobilisation and on 28 July, the Austro-Hungarians declared war on Serbia. Germany presented an ultimatum to Russia to demobilise, and when this was refused, declared war on Russia on 1 August.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I


but even if we take it the way you say it, it is the perfect reason why Germans don't want to be involved by any wars today - especially when they are started for the wrong reasons. Because you want to learn from history - something lots of people out there and on this board are not very good at,

Rochard 05-30-2017 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 21801424)
at this point a brief intermission while I point out that EVERY world war was started by the Germans. what a fucking dope :2 cents:

Did you just call me a "fucking dope"?

This is why we need them as an ally - to ensure we do not have WWIII. But whatever.

Paul Markham 05-30-2017 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21801046)
not the money what people do not have is poison for the economy - the money what they not spend is poison.

This makes no sense.



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ok - where are we going to do that if nobody wants to let them in?
So you admit they need training to live ion the West, now explain why the West should do that.



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no trump is producing MORE of them by making the world a weapon exhibition.
Is Trump responsible for 9/11? Again you make no sense.



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well you want to see them dying in the sea ?

how can you expect humanity from people what you don not want to treat human?
How can you expect humanity from people who bomb children?



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there CAN NOT BE AN ERROR ON HUMANITY !!!!
if you doubt that you are simply not human.
So people who bomb, rape, abuse children, etc. Aren't human. And you believe you can educate them so they can live in Europe. First get them to stop being Muslims.


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that is pretty obvious becasue SHE KNOWS that she does not own germany. and if smart or not smart she have to follow the will of the people WHAT SHE DID - what is wrong with it?
Maybe she should have thought of that before inviting millions to walk across Europe and risk the dangerous sea voyage. Maybwe she should have consulted the countries that the migrants had to walk through to get to the better benefits system in Germany.



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look how wrong one can interprete a statistic

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/im...3590578492.png

the light blue line shows you the number of sexual delicts from immigrants within the whole
categorie.

now you can see that the % of that doubled up from 2015 to 2016.
does the image prove me right, sex attacks by migrants has doubled?

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but this is the brainwash rethoric for people like you or nico. because in the same time we had 3 times more immigrants comming to Germany. so in fact the TOTAL number of this crimes WENT DOWN AND NOT UP !!!

a little bit maths is sometimes helpful to understand facts.
So why allow a race of people into Europwe who by your own posts proves are more likely to rape?



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nope - Geramny is NOT allowing migrants from africa and never did.
these people from africa came with the refugees and because Germany had to do the work alone it was impossible to find out who is a refugee and who is a moneygrant.
Are you saying illegal migrants from Africa aren't coming to Europe? They're flowing into Europe because of the policies of the EU. Or lack of policies.



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if dept would not rise you would eat your shoes today.
because of uncontrolled financial market we had one of the biggest financial crisises in the last 100 years.

show me ONE country what could go out of that without more depts to push into the markets for making the economy moving.

obama was fucking sucsessful with that - but this have to be paid back one day somehow.
Debt was rising before 2008. Debt is rising because jobs are disappearing to the Third World and Banking is now an essentail industry for the West.

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the only thing trump has done successfully up to now was to eliminate the laws what should protect us from another crisis.
he will throw america in poorness and with it the whole world.
Same goes for Bush, Obama, Clinton, etc. These crashes aren't Trump's fault, otherwise they wouldn't have happened before.



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we will not only take them all - we will make them customers and give a fucking shit on trumps tears that Germanyīs economy is too strong.

yes it is strong very strong and that proves the opposite of your meaning.
his makes no sense.



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i wonder how you can enjoy the life in a country what is one of this countries what ALWAYS AND EVER GOT from EU.

and i do not even complain that because chech republic grow from a piece of shit to a serous economy. but they did it because they did NOT share your thoughts or follow the rules of the brainwashed.
Yes Czech is one of the winners.




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i could write you a book with solutions but you will not understand them because you are a amateur economist with no knowledge of economic rules.

you would not even understand the visions i have on that because they are based on knowledge from a university and 40 years of experience and not from a beer bar discussion.
You could write a book and yes I wouldn't understand it because you talk bullshit. Proof of that is blaming Trump for things that happened before he took power. Obama removing the troops from Iraq allowed the maniac Muslims to rise up, form ISIS, which is just another of a long line of Islamic terrorist organisations, and start a war. Long before Trump appeared on the scene. How can you possibly blame Trump for Muslim terrorists?

Is he responsible for the bombing in Afghanistan today Boko Harem and all the other Muslim terrorists?

Paul Markham 05-30-2017 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21801376)
every country participated on this cheap money - and the money was not cheap without a reason. it was because international banks used cheating possibilities to fuck the value of money.

Than why did they allow Greece and a few others to borrow so much they are now having problems?


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an alliance is not what the EU idea is.
it is a together through all - and i think this is a phantasic idea.
An EU Army is inevitable because the bureaucrats demand more things to organise. Not that it will ever be doing anything because until the EU is ruled from the centre with no say from regional States, no one will agree where and when it will be used.

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we just have to prevent the mistakes of USA.
The EU is too busy making it's own mistakes.


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i do not say that the big industries ANYWHERE are the good guys.
but the car industry is still the biggest job industry germany have.
It will always be money for the rich first. Never fool yourself about anything else.

Paul Markham 05-31-2017 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21802168)
of course not

but it's fun to watch right wing brainwashed peeps going apeshit everytime her name is dropped

(and I never voted for her)

Not to the core, just a bit. Mass migration is about bringing in a lower-wage workforce. This depresses wages for the lower 40% of a population. Lowering their tax contributions and spending powers. Rising profits for the big corporations. It also puts unneeded pressure on the housing markets, education, Healthcare, policing, etc. It creates more problems than it ever solves. This is without the cultural impact it has.

As more companies automate or/and send jobs to the Third World, replacing someone on a Western Wage by someone on a Third World wage. There is no gain in buying power for the West as the West loses jobs and buying power.

This has been EU policy from the beginning and it continues to be their policy. Except for the UK. Who it will punish and make the EU poorer to make sure no other country dares to think about breaking away from its grip. The UK is the EUs biggest single export market.

But they have people like Thommy fooled who thinks a Thai factory worker is going to be buying as many German goods as a German factory worker and the more people spending money in the system. That only applies if the extra people put in their own money. Which they clearly do not.

The only thing keeping the EU dream alive is massive borrowing. Should that end or slow down, see Greece for an example of what happens.

thommy 05-31-2017 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21802549)
This makes no sense.

oh - i know you have no clue of economic but i did not know that it is so few.

with money what is not spend will not be bought anything - if it is not bought it dontīīt have to be produced - if it is not produced nobody will be paid for the production.

that is also a second reason for low interest because the money on the banks does not help to cure the economy.

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So you admit they need training to live ion the West, now explain why the West should do that.
oh maybe for the small reason to not get killed from them - or is that not enough reason for you?

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Is Trump responsible for 9/11? Again you make no sense.
people like him are responsable. this hate doesnīt come from nowhere.
trump is working on a bigger desaster than that.

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How can you expect humanity from people who bomb children?
how can you sell bombs to people who throw them on children?

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So people who bomb, rape, abuse children, etc. Aren't human. And you believe you can educate them so they can live in Europe. First get them to stop being Muslims.
ok so letīs count how many not muslims bombed, raped and abused.
does that mean their religion is a crime?

lets take duerste - trump admits him a lot.
he gave EVERY civillian the right to shot whoever just for assuming this guy have to do with drugs.

in the conflict with the mustlims he declared a war to them and ADVISED to rape the women of this muslims. "to rape 3 women is ok" this is what he ORDERED.
and this guy is christian and trump admits him.
what do you think will be the answer from 1,3 billion of muslims?

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Maybe she should have thought of that before inviting millions to walk across Europe and risk the dangerous sea voyage. Maybwe she should have consulted the countries that the migrants had to walk through to get to the better benefits system in Germany.
why donīt you start your investigation at the point where the west (and all in front USA) was heating up this conflict and deliver weapons to ISIS and al kaida to eliminate saddad?

why donīt you start your investigation at a point where one one the most modern countries of the middle east with the highest level of social structures and the highest per head income was destroyed for oil. you should really read a bit the story of gadhafi and lybia from several sources and look how the country was before and how it is now.

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does the image prove me right, sex attacks by migrants has doubled?

So why allow a race of people into Europwe who by your own posts proves are more likely to rape?
as i said - it is a question of maths and konwing how to use a calculator to see that you
do not understand facts.

in 2105 there have been 32.079 delicts agains the so called "sexual self-determination" (what includes trumpīs "grab her by the pussy" because that is a crime im Germany).
in this 32.079 delicts have been 4,8% imigrants involved.

in 2016 the number went up from 4,8 to 9,9% but in the same time we had 3 times more refugees in the country. so calculate - if they would bring more of that into the country it should be 4,8 x3 = 14,6 and not 9,9.

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Are you saying illegal migrants from Africa aren't coming to Europe? They're flowing into Europe because of the policies of the EU. Or lack of policies.
i donīt say that and i never said it. there is a big difference between legal and illegal.
but your argument is the same bullshit as the argument from german youth-protectors what denied EVERY kind of age verification because they found in every system something what can be abused.

they should not even let you in in chech republic - just because the law what letīs you in can be abused.

Germany did NOT call illegal immigrants and I donīt know why everone is talking about that because they are a problem but not the biggest problem.

look the example of spain, france, netherlands, britain - they do not have a problem with illegal immigrants they have a problem with LEGALS who have the right to be there.

Germany never had big oversea territories. they also never had a time of slavery where they imported slaves from other countries and the decendants of them are still there.

this is something where this countries have to blame their own history and not make Germany guilty for it.

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Debt was rising before 2008. Debt is rising because jobs are disappearing to the Third World and Banking is now an essentail industry for the West.
nonsense - depts are not a problem for a country - in fact it always MUST have a dept - if not the national spendings can not be done before the tax would not arrive.

so every country needs depts.

the problem of rising depts are not made in europe - they are made in USA and if a country is using depts to heat up the own economy it forces all others to do the same.

i donīt know how i can explain you that issues because you do not have knowledge of this things and thatīs why we canīt talk on the same level.

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Same goes for Bush, Obama, Clinton, etc. These crashes aren't Trump's fault, otherwise they wouldn't have happened before.
true ! but these are not the ones who can be blamed. they only can be blamed for not doing anything against the corruption and the leaders behind the curtain.
obama at least tried to prevent the next crash with kind of a minilaw (a better one was stopped by the republicans) - but even this mini-protection is gone with a trump decreet
and the markets are hotter than before because every lie and speculation is allowed again.

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Yes Czech is one of the winners.
aha - and winners can only this countries be where you are?

i know why you are a trump supporter.


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You could write a book and yes I wouldn't understand it because you talk bullshit. Proof of that is blaming Trump for things that happened before he took power. Obama removing the troops from Iraq allowed the maniac Muslims to rise up, form ISIS, which is just another of a long line of Islamic terrorist organisations, and start a war. Long before Trump appeared on the scene. How can you possibly blame Trump for Muslim terrorists?

Is he responsible for the bombing in Afghanistan today Boko Harem and all the other Muslim terrorists?
too much nonsense in your words to answer all that. if you are blind to see the reasons for action and reaction i canīt help you.

maybe you can try to become the next president in US and do everything better.
you canīt be any worse than trump and after his era you can also not destory anything anymore because he have done this job already.

Paul Markham 05-31-2017 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21802705)
oh - i know you have no clue of economic but i did not know that it is so few.

with money what is not spend will not be bought anything - if it is not bought it dontīīt have to be produced - if it is not produced nobody will be paid for the production.

that is also a second reason for low interest because the money on the banks does not help to cure the economy.

So for your economic gibberish to work, money has to be spent. :1orglaugh



oh maybe for the small reason to not get killed from them - or is that not enough reason
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for you?
A better solution still is to keep them out.



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people like him are responsable. this hate doesnīt come from nowhere.
trump is working on a bigger desaster than that.
And you think you can educate the hate out ofpeople. Good luck with that.

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how can you sell bombs to people who throw them on children?
How can you train them not to throw bombs on children.



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ok so letīs count how many not muslims bombed, raped and abused.
does that mean their religion is a crime?
Now let's look at your figures on percentile bases. It clearly shows Muslims are more likely to commit sex crimes. Their religion allows it, research "Islam, sex with slaves". so all they have to do is say the girl was their slave. Whatever, the people of those regions are more loikely to rape.

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lets take duerste - trump admits him a lot.
he gave EVERY civillian the right to shot whoever just for assuming this guy have to do with drugs.

in the conflict with the mustlims he declared a war to them and ADVISED to rape the women of this muslims. "to rape 3 women is ok" this is what he ORDERED.
and this guy is christian and trump admits him.
what do you think will be the answer from 1,3 billion of muslims?
The Third World is full of nasty people, good reasons not to import them into Europe. Or is your argument, Because there are evil Christians, we have to accept Muslims? How about FGM because Christians and Muslims in Africa practice this. does that mean Europe has to accept it? You never made worse sense.

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why donīt you start your investigation at the point where the west (and all in front USA) was heating up this conflict and deliver weapons to ISIS and al kaida to eliminate saddad?

why donīt you start your investigation at a point where one one the most modern countries of the middle east with the highest level of social structures and the highest per head income was destroyed for oil. you should really read a bit the story of gadhafi and lybia from several sources and look how the country was before and how it is now.
Absolutely agree. The ME is best ruled by people like Assad, Sadaam, Gadhafi. Do youblameObama for bombing Libya?



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as i said - it is a question of maths and konwing how to use a calculator to see that you
do not understand facts.

in 2105 there have been 32.079 delicts agains the so called "sexual self-determination" (what includes trumpīs "grab her by the pussy" because that is a crime im Germany).
in this 32.079 delicts have been 4,8% imigrants involved.

in 2016 the number went up from 4,8 to 9,9% but in the same time we had 3 times more refugees in the country. so calculate - if they would bring more of that into the country it should be 4,8 x3 = 14,6 and not 9,9.
Noe divide it by race and percentile of that race in the country. Or are you arguing Muslims are less likely or just as likely to commit a sex crime? If so you're delusional.



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i donīt say that and i never said it. there is a big difference between legal and illegal.
but your argument is the same bullshit as the argument from german youth-protectors what denied EVERY kind of age verification because they found in every system something what can be abused.

they should not even let you in in chech republic - just because the law what letīs you in can be abused.

Germany did NOT call illegal immigrants and I donīt know why everone is talking about that because they are a problem but not the biggest problem.

look the example of spain, france, netherlands, britain - they do not have a problem with illegal immigrants they have a problem with LEGALS who have the right to be there.
The problem is all low-skilled, low-paid and unemployed migrants. Legal or illegal.

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nonsense - depts are not a problem for a country - in fact it always MUST have a dept - if not the national spendings can not be done before the tax would not arrive.

so every country needs depts.

the problem of rising depts are not made in europe - they are made in USA and if a country is using depts to heat up the own economy it forces all others to do the same.

i donīt know how i can explain you that issues because you do not have knowledge of this things and thatīs why we canīt talk on the same level.
Bullshit, the problem is the West is shipping jobs to the Third World. This is lowering tax revenues and putting more into a situation where they rely on the State for benefits. Research the growing costs of benefits and other social programs and tax revenues. Dropping out of the financial world that has been built up to replace industry is never going to happen.



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true ! but these are not the ones who can be blamed. they only can be blamed for not doing anything against the corruption and the leaders behind the curtain.
obama at least tried to prevent the next crash with kind of a minilaw (a better one was stopped by the republicans) - but even this mini-protection is gone with a trump decreet
and the markets are hotter than before because every lie and speculation is allowed again.
Bush is not to blame for going intotwo wars and Obama not to blame for bombing Libya and Clinton not to blame for setting up a system where the poor could get mortgage they couldn't afford. So who is behind the curtasin?



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aha - and winners can only this countries be where you are?

i know why you are a trump supporter.
I supported Trump as a better alternative to Clinton, who is controlled by the people behind the curtain.

thommy 05-31-2017 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21802762)
So for your economic gibberish to work, money has to be spent. :1orglaugh

i am glad that you found a way to give people work by producing products what are not paid.

you are so fucking smart.


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And you think you can educate the hate out ofpeople. Good luck with that.
the other alternative is to let them go on to cut off heads til THEIR problem is resolved.

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How can you train them not to throw bombs on children.
first of all by not selling them bombs and second of all by not heating conflicts what are good for the "selling bomb business"

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Now let's look at your figures on percentile bases. It clearly shows Muslims are more likely to commit sex crimes. Their religion allows it, research "Islam, sex with slaves". so all they have to do is say the girl was their slave. Whatever, the people of those regions are more loikely to rape.
and you want to stop it how ?
by waiting till they are 3 billion and run us over?

i donīt know if you have children but if so you do not really care them.



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The Third World is full of nasty people, good reasons not to import them into Europe. Or is your argument, Because there are evil Christians, we have to accept Muslims? How about FGM because Christians and Muslims in Africa practice this. does that mean Europe has to accept it? You never made worse sense.
so you mean if 10% of muslims are bad all 100% are bad ?

well i think i can find even a bigger percentage of bads in christianity. so for your understanding all of them have to go.

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Absolutely agree. The ME is best ruled by people like Assad, Sadaam, Gadhafi. Do youblameObama for bombing Libya?
i blame everyone who needs bombs to argument.

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Noe divide it by race and percentile of that race in the country. Or are you arguing Muslims are less likely or just as likely to commit a sex crime? If so you're delusional.
even if you where right - we find the same high percentage of sex crimes in our so called civilisation. the only different is that if a muslim is involved the whole world will talk about it while on the same day 1000nds of so called civilized people did the fucking same and no one talks about it.

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The problem is all low-skilled, low-paid and unemployed migrants. Legal or illegal.
so thatīs a matter of education - and if they have the same or better education they will not be low skilled. if they do not have it they CAN NOT TAKE THIS JOB.


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Bullshit, the problem is the West is shipping jobs to the Third World. This is lowering tax revenues and putting more into a situation where they rely on the State for benefits. Research the growing costs of benefits and other social programs and tax revenues. Dropping out of the financial world that has been built up to replace industry is never going to happen.
completely wrong.
the west is slavering the third world by using their cheap labour to give people in the west prosperity.

you maths is not working paul - that is childish.

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I supported Trump as a better alternative to Clinton, who is controlled by the people behind the curtain.
you are already old but young enough to see what you support.
it is a questions of months til he is either impeached or we are in the middle of a biggly war.

you replaced a sniff with cancer.

Tasty1 05-31-2017 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21801376)
i have a mercedes and i have a tesla and soon i will have 2 teslas because i am not willing to support stupidness.

Supporting a climate treaty in paris and blaming Trump, in the meanwhile you leave such a big carbon foodprint that there wouldn't be any live on this planet left if all people lived like you. Just a fact.

thommy 05-31-2017 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21803050)
Supporting a climate treaty in paris and blaming Trump, in the meanwhile you leave such a big carbon foodprint that there wouldn't be any live on this planet left if all people lived like you. Just a fact.

means you think it is a good idea that trump want to step out of the climate contract?

means again that you think that 99% of all scientiests in the world are wrong and the old idot and you are smart?

did i understand that correct?

Paul Markham 05-31-2017 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21802846)
i am glad that you found a way to give people work by producing products what are not paid.

you are so fucking smart.




the other alternative is to let them go on to cut off heads til THEIR problem is resolved.



first of all by not selling them bombs and second of all by not heating conflicts what are good for the "selling bomb business"



and you want to stop it how ?
by waiting till they are 3 billion and run us over?

i donīt know if you have children but if so you do not really care them.





so you mean if 10% of muslims are bad all 100% are bad ?

well i think i can find even a bigger percentage of bads in christianity. so for your understanding all of them have to go.



i blame everyone who needs bombs to argument.



even if you where right - we find the same high percentage of sex crimes in our so called civilisation. the only different is that if a muslim is involved the whole world will talk about it while on the same day 1000nds of so called civilized people did the fucking same and no one talks about it.



so thatīs a matter of education - and if they have the same or better education they will not be low skilled. if they do not have it they CAN NOT TAKE THIS JOB.




completely wrong.
the west is slavering the third world by using their cheap labour to give people in the west prosperity.

you maths is not working paul - that is childish.



you are already old but young enough to see what you support.
it is a questions of months til he is either impeached or we are in the middle of a biggly war.

you replaced a sniff with cancer.

Thommy you live in a world where you believe Muslims can be converted to being non-Muslims, where people who have been killing each other from before Mohammed can suddenly stop, where money isn't being spent, where giving jobs to Third World workers on 1/10 of a Western worker will buy Western goods and everything is Trump's fault.

Good luck, I must come ad visit you in your fantasy world. Here in the real world things are a bit tougher.

Paul Markham 05-31-2017 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21803134)
means you think it is a good idea that trump want to step out of the climate contract?

means again that you think that 99% of all scientiests in the world are wrong and the old idot and you are smart?

did i understand that correct?

He's wrong to step out of the Paris agreement.

thommy 05-31-2017 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21803161)
Thommy you live in a world where you believe Muslims can be converted to being non-Muslims, where people who have been killing each other from before Mohammed can suddenly stop,

no but i live in a world where it is NORMAL that any group of people (no matter if it is a religious, ethnic, political or even the fans of a football club) will stand together when they are attacked as a group.

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where money isn't being spent,
well than letīs talk in numbers:

worldwide private savings 2015:

155 TRILLION Euros

what is 260 % of the world GTP (4,9% more as in the year before)

worldwide depts

39 TRILLION EUROS (4,5% more as in the year before)

are you still thinking that low wages are the problem and that money is spend ?

if you would take that money from the banks and pay ALL EXISTING DEPTS FROM EVERBODY IN THE WORLD (including the depts of ALL COUNTRIES)
ther would still be 116 TRILLION LEFT in the saving accounts.

now imagin what would happen if this 115 TRILLION suddenly goes into the markets.

can you imagin that or is that still too high for you?

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where giving jobs to Third World workers on 1/10 of a Western worker will buy Western goods and everything is Trump's fault.
and this 1/10th of the product costs is safing EVERY SINGLE PERSON a lot of money.
only because of that they are able to buy 10 things instad of one and this is called PROSPERITY.

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Good luck, I must come ad visit you in your fantasy world. Here in the real world things are a bit tougher.
my pahantasy world is all around you. you just can not see it because you are blind for reality or just too old to learn now what you have missed to learn before.

thommy 05-31-2017 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21803164)
He's wrong to step out of the Paris agreement.

wrong as everything he does - so he will do this mistake also.

but itīs fine - that will finish his era much earlier because 2/3 of US citizens want to stay in the paris agreement.
but trump does not care that - he is controlled by bannon and his infinite self-assessment.

Tasty1 05-31-2017 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21803134)
means you think it is a good idea that trump want to step out of the climate contract?

means again that you think that 99% of all scientiests in the world are wrong and the old idot and you are smart?

did i understand that correct?

No, it means that so many are hypocrit.

pimpmaster9000 05-31-2017 09:43 AM

paul > angela merkel and entire german gov
trump > science

Bladewire 05-31-2017 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21803164)
He's wrong to step out of the Paris agreement.

Correct.

But his goal is to weaken Europe for Putin and weaken all American allie ties which he's trying to do.

So far he's attacked Australia, Canada, Mexico, Germany, NATO, Paris Agreement, and more.

He's praised Duterte, Assad, Erdogan & Putin. Not a single bad word about the dictators, only Americas allies.

thommy 05-31-2017 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21803494)
Correct.

But his goal is to weaken Europe for Putin and weaken all American allie ties which he's trying to do.

So far he's attacked Australia, Canada, Mexico, Germany, NATO, Paris Agreement, and more.

He's praised Duterte, Assad, Erdogan & Putin. Not a single bad word about the dictators, only Americas allies.

but it is good when he declines paris.

china is now signing in and a bunch of other countries - even india.
that means that 80% of the civilisation is in it.

so think a bit further what they can do to get on to their targets.
climate is not an issue from a country - it effects the whole planet.

if 80% of the world are in this contract the next step is that they will only trade with countries what are producing clean and accept the climate contract.

ok us will suffer for a few month - then they will kick him out and the next president will hopefully be smarter.
climate contract is not the brexit - it is a desicion for a limited time.

Bladewire 05-31-2017 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21803521)
but it is good when he declines paris.

china is now signing in and a bunch of other countries - even india.
that means that 80% of the civilisation is in it.

so think a bit further what they can do to get on to their targets.
climate is not an issue from a country - it effects the whole planet.

if 80% of the world are in this contract the next step is that they will only trade with countries what are producing clean and accept the climate contract.

ok us will suffer for a few month - then they will kick him out and the next president will hopefully be smarter.
climate contract is not the brexit - it is a desicion for a limited time.

I like the way you see it this is good :thumbsup

Tasty1 05-31-2017 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21803521)
but it is good when he declines paris.

china is now signing in and a bunch of other countries - even india.
that means that 80% of the civilisation is in it.

so think a bit further what they can do to get on to their targets.
climate is not an issue from a country - it effects the whole planet.

if 80% of the world are in this contract the next step is that they will only trade with countries what are producing clean and accept the climate contract.

ok us will suffer for a few month - then they will kick him out and the next president will hopefully be smarter.
climate contract is not the brexit - it is a desicion for a limited time.

- 80% is in, but only 10% will have to pay for it And those 10% have to pay for their own CO2 reductions plans also.
- 80% of the money will disappear in corrupt countries that only collect the money.
- Is germany prepared to risk to lose all export of cars to the USA if there is only a trade with countries that sign the Paris Paper?
- In the mean time you talk about economic growth in all countries, and as we know that will damage the natural resources more than the world can handle. imagine all chines take 3 holidays by plane a year and also buy two cars... The banks in Brazil where more easy with loans and suddenly everyone got a (german) car that in the future will be made by robots.

And than they have goals like only 1 degree warmer in the next 100 years. A few vulcano's and the temparture will rise. Or some other things and the tempurature will be lower.

And to get all this CO2 reduction will be payed by the enduser in the western countries.

The mondial crises was the best thing for the environment. I predict this Paris Paper will be like the ongoing money to africa to help them, but in the end did nothing for the people that needed it. It is the new way to keep burnng money. And a new way to gater all your privacy, like they want to do now with a box in your car that register where, when and how fast you drive.

Keep dreaming.

thommy 06-01-2017 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21804370)
- 80% is in, but only 10% will have to pay for it And those 10% have to pay for their own CO2 reductions plans also.

completely wrong - 100% will pay for it because keeping our planet alive is not an advantage for an exclusive part of human beeing.

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- 80% of the money will disappear in corrupt countries that only collect the money.
define WICH money and HOW can money disappear !!!
money CAN NOT disappear.

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- Is germany prepared to risk to lose all export of cars to the USA if there is only a trade with countries that sign the Paris Paper?
do you think that the best conditioned economy in the world canīt stand that?
there will be other partners and there HAVE TO BE other partners because what trump is doing makes the people poorer and they will not be able to buy expensive cars anyway.

also the german car industry needs that kick in the ass to change their vision.
the exports to USA are one reason why German car-companies are not investing in cleaner cars yet.

tesla is a very good example. there is not ONE country yet (and the worst in their own country) what could give them enough sales yet to survive. they are surviving and growing in a worlwide market.

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- In the mean time you talk about economic growth in all countries, and as we know that will damage the natural resources more than the world can handle. imagine all chines take 3 holidays by plane a year and also buy two cars... The banks in Brazil where more easy with loans and suddenly everyone got a (german) car that in the future will be made by robots.
you talk about economy from yesterday - if our economy is based on ecology instead of wars things are very different.

and WHY are you afraid of robots?
these are the legal slaves of the future and if mankind is smart enough they can bring HUGE prosperity if you do not think in a brain prison.

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And than they have goals like only 1 degree warmer in the next 100 years. A few vulcano's and the temparture will rise. Or some other things and the tempurature will be lower.

And to get all this CO2 reduction will be payed by the enduser in the western countries.
first of all: even the NASA has proved meanwhile that this issue exists.
we see already the consequences of this human made climate change and if the world seas are getting much warmer as they are already it is the end of the sea live and if the sealive ends we do not need to buy a new aircondition anymore. all human beeing is connected to the sea live. and it will end with the sealive.

that some idiot populists throwing different paroles around does not make things better. they do not have an alternative. the 2 choices we have is to do something and try to survice or to do nothing and hope the populists are right. the chance of the last is as high as a win in the lottery.

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The mondial crises was the best thing for the environment. I predict this Paris Paper will be like the ongoing money to africa to help them, but in the end did nothing for the people that needed it. It is the new way to keep burnng money. And a new way to gater all your privacy, like they want to do now with a box in your car that register where, when and how fast you drive.

Keep dreaming.
no i will not keep dreaming - thatīs your part and if you survive with your dream than it is only because others prefered to do something instead of sleeping and ignoring the alarm.

Paul Markham 06-01-2017 01:14 AM

Trump is telling Europe it should be able to stand on its own militarily. What's wrong with that?

Merkel doesn't like this because she believes America should protect the EU, pay the lion's share of NATO budgets and make up most of NATO forces.

With EU/US GDPs running at near parallel lines, why should America foot the bill?

thommy 06-01-2017 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21804760)
Trump is telling Europe it should be able to stand on its own militarily. What's wrong with that?

Merkel doesn't like this because she believes America should protect the EU, pay the lion's share of NATO budgets and make up most of NATO forces.

With EU/US GDPs running at near parallel lines, why should America foot the bill?

nothing really wrong with that except the fact that the reason for having a military-defence was not caused by Europe (except France and Britain).

but one thing is sure and there you are completely right - Europe did nothing to prevent the circumstances we have to deal with now.

and the other thing what is wrong is, that he can nor order countries how much they have to spend for their own protection. if it is nessecary they will do it alone.

the one and only reason why trump wants that is, that he want to sell the weapons.

america is a war nation with a war economy and to keep the trades going he needs more war nations BUT Europe accepted that for centuries and have to decide now how to go on.

the worst what can happen (also for trump) is that Germany goes back to use his technological and engeneering power to produce that ugly stuff again and take this market over. i really HOPE that this will never happen again.


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