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Paul Markham 06-01-2017 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21804778)
nothing really wrong with that except the fact that the reason for having a military-defence was not caused by Europe (except France and Britain).

but one thing is sure and there you are completely right - Europe did nothing to prevent the circumstances we have to deal with now.

and the other thing what is wrong is, that he can nor order countries how much they have to spend for their own protection. if it is nessecary they will do it alone.

the one and only reason why trump wants that is, that he want to sell the weapons.

america is a war nation with a war economy and to keep the trades going he needs more war nations BUT Europe accepted that for centuries and have to decide now how to go on.

the worst what can happen (also for trump) is that Germany goes back to use his technological and engeneering power to produce that ugly stuff again and take this market over. i really HOPE that this will never happen again.

It has been necessary for Europe to fund NATO more and not rely on the US for a very long time. All Trump can do is deliver an ultimatum and demand Europe and the Far East contribute more. Where they buy the arms is a result of Europe not building its own arms industry, apart from France and the UK.

We live in worrying times and the EU making advances to the Ukraine was a bad move. Why the EU is so determined to adopt so many countries with such shit economies is beyond most people. Other than building the power base of the bureaucrats and shifting to voting power of the EU towards nations that rely on EU handouts, what are the benefits? Most certainly not trade as these countries lower the average wage of the majority of Europeans.

Enlargement.
Candidates: Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey
Potential candidates that have applied for membership: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Potential candidates that have not applied for membership: Kosovo* (status disputed).

Look at the wages around Europe.

https://i.redd.it/19bf3se33bcy.jpg

This has led to this mess where a few rich countries are funding the entire EU with a lot at the bottom getting more out than they put in. Now add poorer States and see how they share the votes. Can Germany afford to keep funding the poorest States, someone has to pick up the slack when the UK leaves. Especially if the EU plays hardball over trade.

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thommy 06-01-2017 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21804943)
It has been necessary for Europe to fund NATO more and not rely on the US for a very long time. All Trump can do is deliver an ultimatum and demand Europe and the Far East contribute more. Where they buy the arms is a result of Europe not building its own arms industry, apart from France and the UK.

We live in worrying times and the EU making advances to the Ukraine was a bad move. Why the EU is so determined to adopt so many countries with such shit economies is beyond most people. Other than building the power base of the bureaucrats and shifting to voting power of the EU towards nations that rely on EU handouts, what are the benefits? Most certainly not trade as these countries lower the average wage of the majority of Europeans.

Enlargement.
Candidates: Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey
Potential candidates that have applied for membership: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Potential candidates that have not applied for membership: Kosovo* (status disputed).

Look at the wages around Europe.

https://i.redd.it/19bf3se33bcy.jpg

This has led to this mess where a few rich countries are funding the entire EU with a lot at the bottom getting more out than they put in. Now add poorer States and see how they share the votes. Can Germany afford to keep funding the poorest States, someone has to pick up the slack when the UK leaves. Especially if the EU plays hardball over trade.

https://i1.wp.com/order-order.com/wp...40%2C365&ssl=1

you are again not see the whole thing paul, i am sorry.

did trump ever mentioned the costs europe spends in the 3rd world countries to make this peopleīs life better?

do you think it is not kind of defense when you prevent that this peole do not have another chance as to run away from their own countries?

take all the money what is spend into arms and stick it into infrastructure and education in this countries and NOT ONE OF THEM will come.

Tasty1 06-01-2017 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21804721)
completely wrong - 100% will pay for it because keeping our planet alive is not an advantage for an exclusive part of human beeing.



define WICH money and HOW can money disappear !!!
money CAN NOT disappear.



do you think that the best conditioned economy in the world canīt stand that?
there will be other partners and there HAVE TO BE other partners because what trump is doing makes the people poorer and they will not be able to buy expensive cars anyway.

also the german car industry needs that kick in the ass to change their vision.
the exports to USA are one reason why German car-companies are not investing in cleaner cars yet.

tesla is a very good example. there is not ONE country yet (and the worst in their own country) what could give them enough sales yet to survive. they are surviving and growing in a worlwide market.



you talk about economy from yesterday - if our economy is based on ecology instead of wars things are very different.

and WHY are you afraid of robots?
these are the legal slaves of the future and if mankind is smart enough they can bring HUGE prosperity if you do not think in a brain prison.



first of all: even the NASA has proved meanwhile that this issue exists.
we see already the consequences of this human made climate change and if the world seas are getting much warmer as they are already it is the end of the sea live and if the sealive ends we do not need to buy a new aircondition anymore. all human beeing is connected to the sea live. and it will end with the sealive.

that some idiot populists throwing different paroles around does not make things better. they do not have an alternative. the 2 choices we have is to do something and try to survice or to do nothing and hope the populists are right. the chance of the last is as high as a win in the lottery.



no i will not keep dreaming - thatīs your part and if you survive with your dream than it is only because others prefered to do something instead of sleeping and ignoring the alarm.

Again you try to put things around. If i say things about robots, you are acting if i would be afraid of that. But i in fact refered to some topics ago where there was a discussion about robots and i said we don't need immigrants, cause we better should invest in robots. You mentioned than there will never be a factory that would produce only with robots cause than t'here won't be people with work that can buy those products. So i am not afraid, you where ignorant that it wouldn't happen. So i see you are also not worried anymore that those factories robotize everything and don't need people. You where so afraid of people not having money to buy those products if that would happen cause it wasn't possible acording to your old economics.

"define WICH money and HOW can money disappear !!! money CAN NOT disappear. "

Must i realy explain this? If you don't understand the word corruption. Read the Paris Paper. Rich countries will pay for the poor countries. I can imagine already how billions will go to Ukrain to make their chicken farms sustainable, and in wich pockets that money will end.

You are saying Trump is so wrong with import taxes. But you say it yourself, that would be a nice kick in the ass for the car industry. If Trump want import tax, he has right. He only should call it "green tax" to use that money for the Paris treaty, and the problem is solved. So much resistence against import tax instead of globalization, but in the mean time people in Holland also pay an extra tax on cars from germany, and we are neighbours, in the EU. So shouldn't you change your mind about Trump going after the German car industry if you are so concerned about the Climate? But when Trump talked about the tax, you where more woried people had to pay more for a car in the USA.

There where much warmer periods on this earth and it waill always change. Humans have a little influence on that. We know there can be a period again with much colder weather. As i said, economic growh and saving the planet can't go hand in hand. If everybody in the third world will live like westerns, all natural resources will be used. And i also see an egoistic point. People want to save the world, but keep living like they are doing, 2 cars, 3 times a year on holiday by plane, a few phones, tv's etcerra.

Ofcourse we must stop polute the world. But all the bla bla that we must act now, that we don't have 10 more years is just to make people scared so they are willing to pay more tax. It starts all with yourself, stop buying so many things that use so much natural resources. In the end there is only one way and they are already doing that. Investing in clean energy and taxing things that are not good for the environment. But all those things are happening already. No need for a piece of Paris paper. You better hope that the green party's get a majority somewhere, they will suck all your money and fun out of live.

Realy, in all you are writing i read only 1 thing; Germany Uber Alles.

Paul Markham 06-01-2017 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21804961)
you are again not see the whole thing paul, i am sorry.

did trump ever mentioned the costs europe spends in the 3rd world countries to make this peopleīs life better?

do you think it is not kind of defense when you prevent that this peole do not have another chance as to run away from their own countries?

take all the money what is spend into arms and stick it into infrastructure and education in this countries and NOT ONE OF THEM will come.

You live in a dream world. Where do you think the money would go if it was sent to countries like Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc? This is without addressing the real world situation of terrorists in those countries blowing up anything they can that comes from the West. Stop thinking people in these countries think like us. Enough of them are so indoctrinated in their make believe god that they will blow up anything related to the West.

The West didn't start this wave of terrorism. It was after the US gave the Jihadists, an Islamic word for a Muslim who kills non-Muslims, in Afghanistan enough weapons to kick out the Russians. Whatever excuse they came up with to justify their killings it makes no difference. They should have been thankful for US help.

Paul Markham 06-01-2017 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21805069)
Again you try to put things around. If i say things about robots, you are acting if i would be afraid of that. But i in fact refered to some topics ago where there was a discussion about robots and i said we don't need immigrants, cause we better should invest in robots. You mentioned than there will never be a factory that would produce only with robots cause than t'here won't be people with work that can buy those products. So i am not afraid, you where ignorant that it wouldn't happen. So i see you are also not worried anymore that those factories robotize everything and don't need people. You where so afraid of people not having money to buy those products if that would happen cause it wasn't possible acording to your old economics.

"define WICH money and HOW can money disappear !!! money CAN NOT disappear. "

As factories turn to robots and put more workers out of work, what will happen to the migrants? Some will return home, some of their children won't have anywhere to go and some won't want to go back. Putting more burden on the few who are working to pay more in taxes to support the growing number of unemployed.

This is the same as the ageing population from the baby boomers generation. Now only a small percentile of them are migrants, in 10 years more will be migrants, 20 even more, even more burden on those working to pay more in taxes.

Will the richest stay in the West and shoulder enough of the burden by paying the increased amount in taxes? We already know the answer to that one.

Tasty1 06-01-2017 04:40 PM


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shiraz9944 06-01-2017 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21804961)
you are again not see the whole thing paul, i am sorry.

did trump ever mentioned the costs europe spends in the 3rd world countries to make this peopleīs life better?

do you think it is not kind of defense when you prevent that this peole do not have another chance as to run away from their own countries?

take all the money what is spend into arms and stick it into infrastructure and education in this countries and NOT ONE OF THEM will come.

No you are definitely wrong man. Paul laid it out with facts and figures, on a map no less for those that can't think. Check it out, look how much those nations actually SUCK OUT of the EU. They actually take money and contribute nothing but migrants that invade the western parts because it's SO SHITTY to live there. Socialism at it's finest, there is NO disputing that. The richer countries are funding the poorer EU nations. Greece is a great example of what is to come as it slowly moves westward. Why the UK got out.

Paul Markham 06-02-2017 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by shiraz9944 (Post 21806785)
No you are definitely wrong man. Paul laid it out with facts and figures, on a map no less for those that can't think. Check it out, look how much those nations actually SUCK OUT of the EU. They actually take money and contribute nothing but migrants that invade the western parts because it's SO SHITTY to live there. Socialism at it's finest, there is NO disputing that. The richer countries are funding the poorer EU nations. Greece is a great example of what is to come as it slowly moves westward. Why the UK got out.

Thommy ignores facts when they don't fit his delusion.


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