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DownThePoole 07-04-2017 08:06 AM

I understand they are bringing back slavery in April 2018.

Bladewire 07-04-2017 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 21868726)
State law should be above city law, imho.
You can not go and not respect your state's laws.

Another example of the flaws in the structural fibers of your mind, it must be a genetic birth defect. You need to stay in your motherland Slovakia.

You're against globalization, yet call an American president your "God Emporer".

Logically if you're for states rights, over cities rights then you're for federal rights over states rights. Very simple. But not in your fucked up mind minion :1orglaugh

notinmybackyard 07-04-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21868921)
That's totally fucking wrong, you adapt.

This argument of "Adapt" is total bullshit. Just like the porn industry which used earn billions and had hundreds of production companies and independents producers it's now just a small handful of people controlling 95& of all the money. Plus the industry is a hell of a lot smaller and there's a lot less jobs.


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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21868921)
If you can't see that, I guess you voted for Trump.

I don't vote. I never have and never will. Plus I'm not American.

crockett 07-04-2017 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DownThePoole (Post 21869686)
I understand they are bringing back slavery in April 2018.

Its funny you say that.. I was just at the store and some vender guy was blabbing his mouth to anyone who walked by about how great it was because "Obama the Oppressor" was gone..

This is a old white guy dressed in red white and blue shirt for 4th of July.. I don't bother with this type of moron in real life but I'm thinking what did Obama ever do to oppress this dumbfuck?

So on one hand with have a WH administration that is purposely deleting scientific data because it doesn't fit their ideology, is banning groups of people from entering our country legally, attacks the media constantly and the list can go on and on but it's all ok but big bad Obama the oppressor attempted to get us all health care and he's literally Hitler..

I just have no clue what goes on inside the big empty space of the conservative mind. It surely isn't much critical thinking, that's one tying I'm 100% certain of..

seeandsee 07-04-2017 08:42 AM

1540$ sallary in mcdonalds, nice

Paul Markham 07-05-2017 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21869671)
An adult doesn't. That's why it's for teenagers who live at home with mom and dad.
Give an 18 year old $270 a week and they are "rich".
Especially when mom and dad are paying all the bills.

Raise the minimum wage to $15 and all of these jobs will be gone.

$15 an hour is NOT an "entry level" wage for unskilled labor. These fast food jobs are meant as a starting point. You WORK your way up to better wages.

Seems like everyone has forgotten about starting at the bottom and working your way up.

What happens when minimum wage jobs are the only jobs available?

Paul Markham 07-05-2017 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 21869737)
This argument of "Adapt" is total bullshit. Just like the porn industry which used earn billions and had hundreds of production companies and independents producers it's now just a small handful of people controlling 95& of all the money. Plus the industry is a hell of a lot smaller and there's a lot less jobs.

Add most manufacturing jobs to that list. For upper management as well.

Then add the retail jobs going. We are creating a permanent underclass of people. Then shipping in migrants to take what;s left of the manual jobs.


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I don't vote. I never have and never will.
You then are part of the problem.

Paul Markham 07-05-2017 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21869767)
Its funny you say that.. I was just at the store and some vender guy was blabbing his mouth to anyone who walked by about how great it was because "Obama the Oppressor" was gone..

This is a old white guy dressed in red white and blue shirt for 4th of July.. I don't bother with this type of moron in real life but I'm thinking what did Obama ever do to oppress this dumbfuck?

Because the decline in living standard continues under Obama.

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is banning groups of people from entering our country legally,
Why should anyone have automatic rights to go live in another country?

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I just have no clue what goes on inside the big empty space of the conservative mind. It surely isn't much critical thinking, that's one tying I'm 100% certain of..
If Obama had brought jobs back to the US he would have been widely loved by people like this guy. The flow of decent jobs out of the US continued under Obama.

DBS.US 07-05-2017 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 21868843)
That is not work ... but slavery ....

How can you live on $ 270.00 a week ....

They can go extra money selling on Ebay:2 cents:

Bladewire 07-05-2017 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 21869737)
I don't vote. I never have and never will. Plus I'm not American.

Please don't take this personally, you're not very smart (no offense)

BaldBastard 07-05-2017 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 21869737)
This argument of "Adapt" is total bullshit. Just like the porn industry which used earn billions and had hundreds of production companies and independents producers it's now just a small handful of people controlling 95& of all the money. Plus the industry is a hell of a lot smaller and there's a lot less jobs.
.

So sad then, that all those that were in the industry eradicated themselves and vaporised from the planet and just didn't adapt and move on to other things.

AndyA 07-05-2017 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21868534)
That move just may save a lot of jobs in Missouri.
All the usual clowns on GFY were screaming for a $15 minimum wage over the last year.

And the results are in from Seattle where the idiots actually DID that:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0ddd3aa2e60e


LOL

I read it... the ONE study that says... giving the poor more money per hour actually COSTS them more money

hhahahahahahh

give me a break.....

AndyA 07-05-2017 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21868783)
The cost of living has a lot to do with that.

In Missouri...it's not as expensive to live. So a high minimum wage isn't gonna work there.
In New York City...it's outrageously expensive to live there and a higher minimum wage would work.

But bottom line...a fast food job is ENTRY level. Not a "real" job.


By the way, this is VERY important for ALL of us as Americans to support these companies raise minimum wage to $15 an hour

WHY? Because Walmart and Mcdonalds are making BILLIONS off these employees and WE the tax payer have to supplement their income with medicaid, food stamps etc

so basically Walmart is making the tax payers pay their employees so they don;t have to

FIGHT to raise the minimum wage..

if your going to put up some retarded study that says paying people actually costs them more money is about the dumbest thing I ever read

I'm dumber for having read that article

AndyA 07-05-2017 11:18 AM

For every well thought out study like "paying people more is good for the economy"

you will find some Alex Jones nonsense that says the opposite

if you voted for Trump your probably hopeless.. cut your voting finger off because if you couldn't see thru a con man as OBVIOUS as trump when an adolf hitler comes along you will easily be fooled

Bladewire 07-05-2017 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyA (Post 21871915)
For every well thought out study like "paying people more is good for the economy"

you will find some Alex Jones nonsense that says the opposite

if you voted for Trump your probably hopeless.. cut your voting finger off because if you couldn't see thru a con man as OBVIOUS as trump when an adolf hitler comes along you will easily be fooled

The study isn't valid, as the article states.

Big business /GOP pays for a skewed study so one counter opinion (lie) can be represented for their brainwashed idiots as "proof" of their ideology.

notinmybackyard 07-05-2017 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21870799)
You then are part of the problem.


Really?? How do you figure??? I was born in the 30s and I've seen lots of elections but amazingly NOTHING changes.

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21871798)
So sad then, that all those that were in the industry eradicated themselves and vaporised from the planet and just didn't adapt and move on to other things.

We'll talk again when C3PO takes your job and Robo Cop wants you to explain is he saw you doing when he drone filmed you.

Bladewire 07-05-2017 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 21872926)
Really?? How do you figure??? I was born in the 30s and I've seen lots of elections but amazingly NOTHING changes.

You don't vote, and you bitch about nothing changing. You are the problem.

Paul Markham 07-06-2017 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21871798)
So sad then, that all those that were in the industry eradicated themselves and vaporised from the planet and just didn't adapt and move on to other things.

So sad that all those who didn't adapt to what?

The number of well-paid jobs is declining.

Paul Markham 07-06-2017 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyA (Post 21871900)
By the way, this is VERY important for ALL of us as Americans to support these companies raise minimum wage to $15 an hour

WHY? Because Walmart and Mcdonalds are making BILLIONS off these employees and WE the tax payer have to supplement their income with medicaid, food stamps etc

so basically Walmart is making the tax payers pay their employees so they don;t have to

FIGHT to raise the minimum wage..

if your going to put up some retarded study that says paying people actually costs them more money is about the dumbest thing I ever read

I'm dumber for having read that article

No company should be allowed to pay so little the government has to subsidise the wages.

Paul Markham 07-06-2017 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 21872926)
Really?? How do you figure??? I was born in the 30s and I've seen lots of elections but amazingly NOTHING changes.

Because you don't vote. That's how the government gets away with so much crap.

If you were born in the 30s, that makes you around 80-90.

notinmybackyard 07-07-2017 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21873055)
Because you don't vote. That's how the government gets away with so much crap.

bahahahaha LOL
Name me one elected government that didn't get away with so much crap.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21873055)
If you were born in the 30s, that makes you around 80-90.

That I am!

I was born in 1937 and you should know that not only does my brain work without any memory loss but I also still have all my own teeth and although my penis is wrinkled and slow to start it still can get up to full speed without any chemical assistance.

BaldBastard 07-07-2017 06:01 PM

So Americans

What's an example of a country that has high min wage 15 hr + and therefore by your calculations a high unemployment?

And I can save you the Googling.. there aren't any.

Bladewire 07-07-2017 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21877048)
So Americans

What's an example of a country that has high min wage 15 hr + and therefore by your calculations a high unemployment?

And I can save you the Googling.. there aren't any.

People wanna work when they make good money.

When welfare sustains you & full time work doesn't there's a problem :2 cents:

Paul Markham 07-07-2017 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 21877018)
bahahahaha LOL
Name me one elected government that didn't get away with so much crap.

Let's say there are governments with less corruption than the US.

Paul Markham 07-07-2017 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21877063)
People wanna work when they make good money.

When welfare sustains you & full time work doesn't there's a problem :2 cents:

When welfare pays nearly as much as working, people opt for welfare. So would you when you go on welfare.

The problem is the disappearance of decent paying jobs.

notinmybackyard 07-08-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21877264)
Let's say there are governments with less corruption than the US.

Well I don't live in the United States and I'm not now nor have I ever been a US citizen. England has a democracy hows it working out for you?

Paul Markham 07-09-2017 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 21877678)
Well I don't live in the United States and I'm not now nor have I ever been a US citizen. England has a democracy hows it working out for you?

I no longer live in the UK.

However, it has a very bad reputation on democracy. Very few are happy with the way the country is being run, the drive for profit is crippling the lives of the many. Because the rewards go to the few.

Rochard 07-09-2017 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21868435)
I think it's a great move on the Republicans part to get people to leave the state.

This is the EXACT reason people move to Democrat run states. You're paid what you're worth, you have insurance and a cleaner environment. Yet the system gives more power per voter to red states that fuck their citizens giving them no long-term prospects, forcing them to leave.

This is why the Electoral College should be abolished and have majority rule.

I agree with you.... If you told me I would instantly make 30% more in ANY job across state lines, guess what.... I would be moving.

I remember when I worked for such wages back in the day, although for me minmum wage was $2.50 an hour. There was a group of us and we all knew who paid more, and every time we found a job that paid better we would jump ship.

Barry-xlovecam 07-09-2017 11:06 AM

The only way to settle the argument is to look at the employment statistics for the St Louis Metro area in a year and compare.

The average US (national) low skilled labor wage is $10.25 currently.
If you pay, or try to pay, below market wages you have to hire illegal workers, parolees or bottom of the bucket talent.

Maybe, you can get a student that will work part time for chump change.

Robbie 07-09-2017 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21879172)
There was a group of us and we all knew who paid more, and every time we found a job that paid better we would jump ship.

And that is exactly how the marketplace is supposed to work.

For unskilled labor...not so much. But for valuable employees who make more than minimum wage, that is the way that things work. As it should be.

Companies value employees who are skilled. Unskilled? Dime a dozen and easily replaced.

Bladewire 07-09-2017 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21879262)
And that is exactly how the marketplace is supposed to work.

For unskilled labor...not so much. But for valuable employees who make more than minimum wage, that is the way that things work. As it should be.

Companies value employees who are skilled. Unskilled? Dime a dozen and easily replaced.



Free market is labor going to the highest payer with the best conditions, this is how McDonalds was in the beginning and now they do scholorships, etc. to keep loyal unskilled employees. Illegal alien under the table work is the same, you go where the best money is.

You just make shit up to counter any argument. You're an idiot with no integrity.

Paul Markham 07-10-2017 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21879262)
And that is exactly how the marketplace is supposed to work.

For unskilled labor...not so much. But for valuable employees who make more than minimum wage, that is the way that things work. As it should be.

Companies value employees who are skilled. Unskilled? Dime a dozen and easily replaced.

Does that include your level of worker?

They aren't just firing the low skilled, management jobs are going as well.

Paul Markham 07-10-2017 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21879172)
I agree with you.... If you told me I would instantly make 30% more in ANY job across state lines, guess what.... I would be moving.

I remember when I worked for such wages back in the day, although for me minmum wage was $2.50 an hour. There was a group of us and we all knew who paid more, and every time we found a job that paid better we would jump ship.

And what happens when your job goes?

INever 07-10-2017 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21868534)
That move just may save a lot of jobs in Missouri.
All the usual clowns on GFY were screaming for a $15 minimum wage over the last year.

And the results are in from Seattle where the idiots actually DID that:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0ddd3aa2e60e

I was looking to see who doesnt understand our business. No disposible income, no buying porn. Cant believe I have to spell this out for you.

INever 07-10-2017 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21872947)
You don't vote, and you bitch about nothing changing. You are the problem.

Actually voting doesnt really change anything. No one gives a fuck about my one vote. But fundraising, volunteering on a campaign, that can make difference.

notinmybackyard 07-10-2017 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by INever (Post 21880288)
Actually voting doesnt really change anything. No one gives a fuck about my one vote. But fundraising, volunteering on a campaign, that can make difference.

Politics only changes Jack Shit.

But if you want to make a so-called "diFFerEnce" your choices are:
  1. The Media
  2. The economist banker
  3. The religious leader

The media can make large segments of society believe whatever they want them to believe.

The individual that's both an economist and a banker literally gets to tell world leaders what they should or shouldn't be doing.

A charismatic religious leader can motivate large groups of people into doing anything they want them to do.

Rochard 07-10-2017 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyA (Post 21871879)
LOL

I read it... the ONE study that says... giving the poor more money per hour actually COSTS them more money

hhahahahahahh

give me a break.....

There might be some truth in that. Giving people money doesn't fix the problem. You know that saying about teaching a man to fish.....

We have a local Indian tribe here in town. They were broke, living in beat up trailers, lots of drug use, drinking, spousal abuse.... They built the biggest casino in Northern California and now they are all rich. It didn't solve any problems and only made them worse. They no longer live in trailers, have nice houses and nice cars, but the drug use is worse, they are drinking more, and the spousal abuse has continued.

Paul Markham 07-10-2017 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21880978)
There might be some truth in that. Giving people money doesn't fix the problem. You know that saying about teaching a man to fish.....

We have a local Indian tribe here in town. They were broke, living in beat up trailers, lots of drug use, drinking, spousal abuse.... They built the biggest casino in Northern California and now they are all rich. It didn't solve any problems and only made them worse. They no longer live in trailers, have nice houses and nice cars, but the drug use is worse, they are drinking more, and the spousal abuse has continued.

A ridiculous example. How many were given a real job?

Paul Markham 07-10-2017 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by INever (Post 21880276)
I was looking to see who doesnt understand our business. No disposible income, no buying porn. Cant believe I have to spell this out for you.

We are already seeing the problems of less disposable income. Those problems will increase as Automation, Globalisation andMigration makes things worse.

Paul Markham 07-11-2017 02:23 AM

The problems with the supply of labour have only just started, there's far more grief down the road. Tackling it with minimum wages and workers rights are doing nothing, to making the whole thing worse.

The problem is with supply and demand. We are starting to see the problems with an oversupply of labour, wages plummet, zero hour contracts and a reduced number of available jobs. Right through the levels from the shop floor to middle management. Closing businesses like Walmarts mean management goes as well.

At the moment every government is committed to making it worse.


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